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mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Not sure what you mean Sod. The MSM is holding him accountable for what he says. In this case what he said was bullshit and everybody knew it, they compelled him to explain his comments. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
So you're saying Trump's people were being wiretapped before the campaign? |
sod98 wrote (View Post): | ||
Bad wording by me - surveillance, investigate.....what ever you want to call it. Electronic surveillance at the very least. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11812666 |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
The NZ Herald summarizes whats going on and offers no proof of its own, or proof of wiretapping. Also says they have no evidence. |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
The Russians hacked the election to help Trump. Although flat-earthers in the White House and elsewhere continue to dispute this, it is a generally accepted conclusion within the greater narrative of this scandal. Further, damning allegations that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians in this effort are agonizingly being borne out as denials of Russian communication with campaign associates are proven false and new channels of contact between them become known.
While such communication would not be in itself criminal, the Steele dossier alleges that quid pro quos were exchanged for the Russian interference, in particular "to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and raise US/NATO defence commitments to deflect attention away from Ukraine". The Trump campaign executed both of these actions during the GOP convention when Trump's now infamous comments questioning US commitment to NATO in the Baltics were made, and the campaign led the GOP platform committee to soften its support for Ukraine. In the latter case Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort, a figure with extensive ro-Russian involvement in Ukraine, categorically denied any effort by the campaign to change the GOP platform - "It absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign," Manafort told NBC's "Meet the Press". However, a week ago JD Gordon, a campaign staffer at the convention who previously denied participation on the Ukraine issue, admitted he "advocated for the GOP platform to include language against arming Ukrainians against pro-Russian rebels". Hard to credit Manafort's lie then as anything other than part of a continuing effort to cover up campaign collusion with the Russians. As the investigative noose tightens more relatively low-level dupes like Gordon will come forward with corroborating evidence as they seek to distance themselves from what will become a historic political Chernobyl. The void of evidence following Trump's tweets accusing Obama posits that the intelligence community developed information on the core charge of collusion in the course of what would otherwise be considered routine counterintelligence activities were it not for the fact that a US presidential candidate was involved. To paraphrase Deep Throat's 'just follow the money' in Watergate, the IC followed the Russians revolving around Trump. It's going to be a bloodbath as the stakes have reached the level that the players, individual and institutional, aren't just gambling reputations, careers and potential incarceration but also which side of history to be on. I fake pity poor Mike Pence who is looking at becoming an incumbent president with little chance of even being the next nominee for what will be an unviable national party. |
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What do we really know about him? |
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Why does the largest and most modern military in the world need a 54 billion dollar increase in budget? |
WilliamTheSilent wrote (View Post): | ||
I would say: Sweden, Poland, etc are getting nervous about Russia. China is expending it's territory and growing it's military (is there a threat to China?). 101st Airborne complains that half it's airplanes are out of service due to lack of maintenance. |
WilliamTheSilent wrote (View Post): |
101st Airborne complains that half it's airplanes are out of service due to lack of maintenance. |
mooxe wrote: |
Do you want a border wall or do you want to stop illegal immigration? |
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Years of budget cuts and attempts to cap troop levels in Afghanistan have wreaked havoc on helicopter mechanics and pilots with the U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne, according to senior officers within the air assault division.
Congressional attempts to trim federal deficits, along with policies enacted by former President Barack Obama, have degraded readiness at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, and whittled down its forces to one aviation brigade |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
http://www.snopes.com/john-mccain-meets-isis-leader/
Actively meeting the leader of ISIS? What does that mean? Where did you get this information from? |
WilliamTheSilent wrote (View Post): |
Facts:
145 Million Dollars were donated to the Clinton Foundation after the uranium with Ukraine/Russia deal by people who benefitted from the deal. Bill got paid half a million for a speech in Russia. Both Clintons have been paid millions for speeches on Wallstreet and countries like Saudi Arabia. We're talking about improper connections with Putin regime, or questionable regimes? |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Can you provide just one piece of evidence ... |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): | ||
Talk about Donnie T taking a pie to the face on Pi Day. Although I think Nunes was being overly charitable. The characterization "wrong" seems a tad too centrist if you ask me. On a good day I'd have gone with 'false. On a bad one, probably a fifty cent adjective like 'mendacious'. Im betting on Carter Page as the early favorite to take up permanent residence in a Russian dacha. Manafort is likely dirtier but, with a name like his, the coming blockbuster screenplay should have him taking his lumps in Guantanamo like a Man. That's assuming he doesnt catch a lethal dose of the Putin flu that's been going around. What's truly curious is how Trump collected his remarkable cadre of Russophile agents. Luck? Coincidence? A friendly memo from the GRU? |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
We should find out if the FBI, and presumably the CIA and NSA are also 'heavily paranoid' about Trump colluding with the Russians next week, if not sooner. Keep in mind that the FBI found the allegations in the Steele dossier legitimate enough to want to pay him to continue his investigation before Buzzfeed published and Steele decided to inoculate himself from accidental polonium poisoning by going to ground. Methinks the FBI was conducting its own investigation along the same lines at that time and 'no comment' on that is bad news for Trump otherwise we surely would have gotten leaks by now from congressional GOP types that, like Trump's accusatory tweets, there exists no supporting evidence.
To quote Fox's Shepard Smith, hardly a wild-eyed liberal reporter - "There’s been lying about who you talk to, and by lots of people and almost inevitably and invariably, they were lying about talking to the Russians, about something. It’s too much lying and too much Russia and too much smoke.” Its almost as if he''s prepping the Fox News audience to get their ideological fire extinguishers ready in case their craniums spontaneously ignite as this crime unravels. I envision Roger Stone taking the easy way out in a swan dive from the top of Trump Tower. Jared, who succeeded his daddy at the helm of Kushner Inc after Christie put him in jail, might want Ivanka to start designing matching orange jumpsuits. |
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TRUMP - “I had been reading about things. I read in, I think it was January 20, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article, I think they used that exact term.”
CARLSON - “Why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? Don’t you devalue your words when you can’t provide evidence?” TRUMP - “Because the New York Times wrote about it. Not that I respect the New York Times. I call it the failing New York Times. But they did write, on January 20, using the word ‘wiretap.’ Other people have come out with – " CARLSON - “Right, but you’re the President! You have the ability to gather all the evidence you want.” TRUMP - “I do, I do, but I think that frankly we have a lot right now. And I think if you watched the Brett Baier and what he was saying, and what he was talking about, and how he mentioned the word wiretap, you would feel very confident that you could mention the name. He mentioned it. And other people have mentioned it. |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
The chain of logic proposing, without proof, that the US intelligence community manufactured and continues to press a non-existant Trump-Russia plot to maintain inflated budgets irrationally ignores the fact that Trump now both submits and approves their budgeting. That notion sounds more than a little...weak minded. Were budget inflation their goal you'd expect the IC to be tripping on their dicks right now to dismiss any implication that the Trump was involved.
On the subject of 'proof' - barring a confession from one of Trump's accomplices, an unlikely event until the inevitable plea bargaining occurs, proof of Trump's treason resides entirely within the IC. Which means the public will never have that proof, we will ever only have media reports of it. So what better way to ensure continuing 'shadow of doubt' than brand the media as 'fake'. Of course this tactic fails when the branding campaign cant reconcile undeniable facts with their so-called 'fake' reporting. As was the case with the IC leaks about Flynn/Kislyak. Trump proceded to create a vignette where the leaks were true but the reporting on them wasnt. This in combination with concerted effort to frame the leaks themselves as the problem rather than the damaging information they contained. Machiavelli doesnt mix well with MC Escher ;) And how bleeping stupid is Flynn? Unbelievable that an intelligence honcho would call Kislyak, violate the Logan Act, then lie about it without considering Kislyak's phone is always being monitored. Its like Flynn learned all his tradecraft in elementary school. Now another centipede shoe drops. In Flynn's foreign agent filing, we learn that Flynn paid the FBI agent who, two weeks later in October, claimed a State Department official had asked him to ensure that one of Clinton’s emails not be deemed classified in return for a budgeting favor from the State Dept. After the media hoopla passed and the collateral damage had been done to the Clinton campaign that agent later admitted he had proposed the quid pro quo, not the State official. Do you guys hear that drumming in the distance? Three booming beats and what sounds like a growing chant. If you put your ear to the ground you can almost decipher the words... LOCK HIM UP! |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
In other news today the Senate Intel Committee states "based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016." House Speaker Ryan puts it more bluntly "no such wiretap existed". |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
He will not admit he was wrong on the wiretapping. His strategy is to never admit wrong doing. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
I think you are probably right. He doesn't like being wrong or losing and certainly hates being criticized. But who does. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
The back peddling of Trump and his staff saying he meant it in a broad sense is so funny. His comments on Twitter couldn't of been more direct. I just hope people are seeing through this. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Oh man I figured it would be a week or so before the next "thing." |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Oh man I figured it would be a week or so before the next "thing." |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Do you mean this - http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/90577584/us-policy-of-strategic-patience-with-north-korea-over--tillerson |
reconscout wrote (View Post): |
The most corrupt administration in history-really? How can you honestly say that after some of the things that happened under Obama? Not to mention other past administrations like Nixon. I don't like Trump but to be fair you should give this president a chance, he has only been in office a few months. I am an independent and don't like either party but I am not going to say that about Trump based on what is going on so far. The left wing press is going way overboard in attacking Trump just look at the tax returns story. They tried to make a story out of that and there was nothing there in fact it was positive for Trump but they tried to spin it negative. Don't base your opinion on rumors or what is being reported by the main stream press. I use to have great respect for the press but sadly they have become corrupt and are no longer fair and objective. I am trying to be as open minded about Trump as I was when Obama was elected. Obama had little experience and there was plenty of rumors about him too. The thing he had going for him is that the press bent over backwards to praise him unlike Trump who is at war with the press. |
reconscout wrote (View Post): |
The most corrupt administration in history-really? How can you honestly say that after some of the things that happened under Obama? Not to mention other past administrations like Nixon. I don't like Trump but to be fair you should give this president a chance, he has only been in office a few months. I am an independent and don't like either party but I am not going to say that about Trump based on what is going on so far. The left wing press is going way overboard in attacking Trump just look at the tax returns story. They tried to make a story out of that and there was nothing there in fact it was positive for Trump but they tried to spin it negative. Don't base your opinion on rumors or what is being reported by the main stream press. I use to have great respect for the press but sadly they have become corrupt and are no longer fair and objective. I am trying to be as open minded about Trump as I was when Obama was elected. Obama had little experience and there was plenty of rumors about him too. The thing he had going for him is that the press bent over backwards to praise him unlike Trump who is at war with the press. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Nunes is partisan first. Ethics don't matter. First he said he had to tell the speaker. Then he had to tell Trump. Then today he said he made a mistake.
Tick-tock...the bleeding is never going to stop. Mannafort, Sessions, Flynn, Pence, Trump and now Nunes all caught in multiple lies. Can't keep count of how many times Nunes changed his story why he didn't tell the committee first. McCain is a partisan too but he slammed Nunes for this stunt. Mannafort was the first to get caught lying. He got paid $10M by one Russian billionaire alone. Plus Ukrainian pro-russian interests. And now finally he got tied to the same Bank of Cyprus money laundering scandal like the other dirty Russian $ cronies. And one of Trump's billionaire cabinet members was working for the Bank of Cyprus how convenient. |
Bailing_Out wrote (View Post): |
Lets be fair to everyone here. I didn't vote for Trump and I will not defend his idiocy. Ok?
The rest of it is disputable. Not every country is run like we'd want it to be. Hell the US isn't run like I want it to be. McCain? I will not defend McCain in everything he's done, he's made mistakes, like I basically said earlier. No one is perfect. Now that I've gone this far into it. The United States has been a greater force for good in this world than any country EVER. Like I said earlier, we've made mistakes. damn sure in Vietnam and after the 9/11 attacks. Have some of those mistakes been evil? Yeah, they have been, at times been evil. The US has never been NAZI Germany. We can't be yet. YET you might say. Yeah yet. Some people don't agree with what we do but that doesn't make it wrong. I was drunk as hell when I wrote thsi and reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks just like they do in congress or while having congress LOL |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Ok Russia is on the back burner simmering, health care is done.... whats going to happen this week? |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Since you only apparently get your "news" from right-wing blogs or Partisan sources. I will post article here. It's all over the news for over a month now. Many, many, many sources and crystal clear ties to Bank of Cyprus.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/27/commerce-nominee-wilbur-ross-bank-of-cyprus-putin Again this is the most corrupt Presidential administration in History and pathogolical liars. They think if they keep repeating the lies and invent them as "alternative facts" people might be stupid enough to actually believe. A sucker is born every minute. Just because Trump is supposedly better than Clinton doesn't make it ok what he is doing. Also Pence and Bannon are even worse. I hope Trump does not die in office because Pence is a radical right-wing fanatic and will absolutely start more wars and seize power. (Wilbur) Ross, a private equity investor who has said he would step down from the bank after his final confirmation, had also been asked to provide more details about his own relationship with previous and current Russian investors in the bank, including Viktor Vekselberg, a longtime ally of the Russian president, and Vladimir Strzhalkovsky, the former vice-chairman of Bank of Cyprus who is also a former KGB agent with a close relationship to Putin. and I stand by my statements about money laundering...same thing happened in the early 90's with BCCI scandal but President Bush did NOT have business with them ..In his letter, Booker asked Ross to explain why he had appointed Ackermann as chairman of the bank, noting that Deutsche Bank is the Trump Organization’s largest creditor. Ross’s investment followed a controversial 2013 bailout of the bank at the height of the European debt crisis that was agreed by the EU, IMF and European Central Bank. At the time, the deal was scrutinised by German politicians who expressed concern that taxpayer funds were being used to bail out a money laundering haven used by Russian oligarchs. A German intelligence report cited by Der Spiegel at the time suggested that Russian deposits in Cyprus banks were worth between €8 to €35bn ($8.5 to $37bn). |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Flynn has absolutely not a shred of credibility left. He is one of the most dishonest statesmen in our nation's history. Even failed to disclose he received $ as a paid lobbyist of foreign government, which is a felony. Only reason why he filed the papers is to avoid prosecution that he covered it up. I believe nobody has ever served in such a high level position for such a short duration. Yes Trump admin is desperate to shift the attention. Everything points towards collusion with Russia. Evidence starting to get exposed about
Russian Bot campaign in the final 2 weeks prior to election. Also even Russia is funding California separatist political movement now to help weaken USA unity. Russia is also said to be trying to helping support radical Right-Wing party in France. And the Brexit movement in England to further weaken the Western alliance. This was said by the former PM of Denmark last night whom also was the head of NATO. Notice a pattern here? Make sense? Russia wants 1/2 a trillion $ oil deal with Exxon...so Trump appoints the head of Exxon to Sec of State to remove the sanctions and seal the deal. Mannafort is very friendly to say the least with pro-Russia separatist factions in Ukraine and literally worked for Putin billionaire allies. Trump repeatedly has criticized NATO...perfectly aligned with Russian interests. Trump has lied about business with Russia. He sold the most expense house in U.S. history to Russian billionaire for well over 2x what he paid for it. His cabinet member did substantial investment with Bank of Cyrpus which is notorious in Europe for being a money laundering haven. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Flynn wants immunity.
Prepare for distraction.... |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
The quote of the day came from ex-FBI agent Clint Watts in testimony to the Senate: "...part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the Commander-in-Chief has used Russian active measures at times, against his opponents", going on to cite a number of examples dating back to Trump's birther campaign. Note the pointed reference to Trump as C-i-C, then painting his role as a clear and present danger. Now that Nunes has laughably tanked the House investigation to assist in Trump's cover-up, the Senate has framed the scandal with the gravity it deserves and is poised to analyze the evidence thoroughly. Given that Rubio's campaign was also targeted by 'active measures', the Republican senator's understand that this isnt about partisan distractions like finding leakers or Obama's non-existent wiretap.
Watts testimony concluded in chilling fashion. After urging the committee to “follow the trail of dead Russians” he concluded “My biggest concern right now is I don’t know what the American stance is on Russia, on who is going to take care of me. After years in the Army and the FBI, working in the intel community?—?today, I’m going to walk out of here and ain’t nobody going to be covering my back. I’m going to be on my own, and so that’s very disconcerting.” Safe to say his concern is shared widely in the US intel community, which Trump has been subverting since last summer. Doubtful Flynn, who worked with both Russia and Turkey, will get immunity anytime soon. The longer and deeper the investigations dig the less important his cooperation becomes. Certainly not before Sally Yates testifies about the fall of General Flynn. Meanwhile the intricate financial components to the Donnie Moscow affair continue to be unraveled in New York where we are likely to learn that Trump associate Felix Sater is telling the truth about being an FBI(/CIA) mole. And that US Attorney Bharara was fired to squelch several prosecutions potentially damaging to Team Trump. |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
As expected the Senate has, for the time being, declined Flynn's offer (and Trump's tweet) that he testify under immunity.
Today's wrinkle in the story are reports that the White House staffers (one being a Flynn protege, the other was Nunes' former House lawyer) who leaked to Nunes werent just scouring raw intel to substantiate Trump's wiretap tweets. Their particular intel activities pre-dated those tweets, using US surveillance assets to track the FBI investigation from the outside. Jeez, you'd think that a Trump coven claiming "witch hunt" would be somewhat more discrete with its cauldron of spells and Cyrillic incantations. |
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