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#1: Is this worth getting if I already have the original CC3? Author: GunslingerV,

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:40 am
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I still have my original CC3; is CoI a worthwhile upgrade?

#2: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:10 am
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Not really...but that's just my opinion Smile

#3: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:38 am
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CoI is basically a re-release of CC3 but with some added value and compatibility with modern PC's.

New maps
New , additional Grand campaign.
New , additional operations
Tweaked AI
Tweaked Data
Integrated MMCC3 (massive multilplayer CC3), so you can play h2h or v's the AI on a campaign map similar in style to CC4/5.

If your CC3 suffers from uncontrollable mouse movement, crashing when heading to a battle or you would like tha enhancements then it is worthwhile.

IMHO it is a better all 'round game than stock CC3.

#4: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:38 am
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schrecken wrote:

Information: Schrecken is from the developer and them who makes money if you buy it. Just so you know how "unbiased" he is.

#5: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:48 am
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LOL

seemed like a biased post to me too.

Information: AT-Stalky is a freeloading pirate. Just so you know how "unbiased" he is.

#6: Author: flick,

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:38 am
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It's allright, but way over priced.

#7: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:07 pm
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schrecken wrote:

LOL

seemed like a biased post to me too.

Information: AT-Stalky is a freeloading pirate. Just so you know how "unbiased" he is.

You are a staff member of Matrix right, u have been into Simtec and now in S3 right?
So what was wrong with my statement.

However, now you call a consumer "AT-Stalky is a freeloading pirate". Is this how you as a consumer relation man for S3 and Matrix handle consumers? Sorry, stupid question as you just handled me in this way.

Name calling, Im Impressed! You’re a professional right out to your fingertips!

BTW, this is suppose to be a fan forum, one fan ask other fans if to buy a product or not, you product in this case. Why don’t you let the fans debate?
If they want your opinion as a corporate man, they will go to CSO forum or Matrix forum and ask you there.

Back to debateing the COI, buy or not buy, plz.

#8: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:54 pm
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GunslingerV said he still has his CC3...and whether CoI worth getting (as an upgrade).
It's not worth it...and the price tag is not upgrade price Wink

'sides..."compatibility with modern PC's" that Shreckie mentioned only applies if you have a new low-end PC for Office Work. If you have a Gaming Rig...then the scrolling problems and glitches are still there...only slightly minimized Wink

#9: Re: Is this worth getting if I already have the original CC3 Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:57 pm
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GunslingerV wrote:

I still have my original CC3; is CoI a worthwhile upgrade?

Well, for me COI is a Mod for CC3.
U ll get the new multiplayer GC system. But no one still around to play it.
You v got some mod updated for COI, but all those mod exist for CC3.
you v got some problem solved, but in fact CC3 problem was fixed for long time.
In few words, if u v still got your CC3 CD, keep your money to buy CC6.
What will be different than a simple CC updated re-release i hope.

#10: Author: Bazookajoe, Location: Portland, Oregon

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:07 am
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For me just fixing the scrolling issue was worth the half a tank full of gas it costs.

#11: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:10 am
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Bazookajoe wrote:

For me just fixing the scrolling issue was worth the half a tank full of gas it costs.

Really? The scrolling is still very erratic on my system...and a lot of ugly screen tearing when scrolling too.

#12: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:29 pm
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Quote:

Really? The scrolling is still very erratic on my system...and a lot of ugly screen tearing when scrolling too.

You may need to look at your setup... it shouldn't be happening.

#13: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:33 am
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schrecken wrote:

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Really? The scrolling is still very erratic on my system...and a lot of ugly screen tearing when scrolling too.

You may need to look at your setup... it shouldn't be happening.

My setup is fine...other games (modern ones) work fine.
CoI's is still the old CC3...the new exe works with Xp...but still have problems with fast gaming video cards. I'm using a GF8600GT 256DDR3 (mainstream 3D gaming card)...it was mid to high end when CoI came out.
It's still too fast for CoI Wink

The CC starter utility works better (and it's free!)...the scrolling is fast (you need to get used to using the arrow keys)...but at least there's no ugly screen tearing. Controllable scroll speed but replacing that with ugly screen tearing? That's just crude!

#14: Author: flick,

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:50 pm
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Luckily I have stone aged PC from 2002, with..get this..128 RAM.

Yeah, I know you're jealous.

#15: Author: Bazookajoe, Location: Portland, Oregon

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:10 am
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squadleader_id wrote:

Bazookajoe wrote:

For me just fixing the scrolling issue was worth the half a tank full of gas it costs.

Really? The scrolling is still very erratic on my system...and a lot of ugly screen tearing when scrolling too.

I have a P4 with a GF 7600 GS and it scrolls like my old PentiumII. I never could get use to the arrow keys..really do like it.

#16: Author: GaryChildress,

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:38 am
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AT_Stalky wrote:

schrecken wrote:

LOL

seemed like a biased post to me too.

Information: AT-Stalky is a freeloading pirate. Just so you know how "unbiased" he is.

Are you a software pirate AT-Stalky? Schrecken may be with Matrix. That may predispose him to one view but software pirates tend to have their own prejudices as well. They usually revolve around something along the lines of "The system is evil, therefore it's ok for me to steal what others pay for."

#17: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:54 am
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Quote:

Are you a software pirate AT-Stalky?

Gary
No Im not

How about you Gary? Are you a Matrix software Police, Laughing

Lets try apply some logic to this:
The errors in data isn’t made grater or lesser just because someone would be a pirate or not, right?
BUT said that, I suppose a pirate whom have payed nothing for lets say Matrix/S3T product CCMT, would theoretically be less frustrated and disappointed and feel LESS RIPPED OFF then a person who payed “max dollar” for that Matrix/S3T CCMT product, right?

Na, Schrecky is just a Matrix / S3T "professional" consumer relation man and “researcher”, who go around CC fan forum and name calling ppl whom point out obvious major errors in his products; instead of invest that time to fixing them major humangus bugs in his products. .
That’s seem to be his work strategy up to now.

#18: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:42 am
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Okay, back to original topic plz:
Topic:
Is this (CoI) worth getting if I already have the original CC3?

#19: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:07 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote:

Okay, back to original topic plz:
Topic:
Is this (CoI) worth getting if I already have the original CC3?

Hey Mats!

No i dont think so! It works wery well in XP, it has new maps but my opnion is, it is not worth the money. But the taste are like the buttom, shared..

/Mats

#20: Author: GaryChildress,

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:30 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote:

Okay, back to original topic plz:
Topic:
Is this (CoI) worth getting if I already have the original CC3?

Fair enough.

No. Although I don't own it, I personally suspect CoI is not worth getting if you have CC III and CC III works on your OS. I don't plan on buying CoI. I have CC III (although I haven't tried it out on XP yet).

I don't think Civilization III Complete (put out by 2K games) is worth getting if you already own all the editions of Civ III. That doesn't mean 2K games is somehow evil for selling a reboxed edition of Civ III.

I don't understand all the hostility toward Matrix games. I'm not employed by Matrix but I like them. They put out a lot of games that I like and no other companies seem to want to touch those games. All the mainstream companies seem to be fixated on FPS and simplistic RTS games.

#21: Author: Digs, Location: Ontario, Canada

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:53 pm
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Squadleader_id

Have you tried enabling "vsync" in your video card, software settings?. It will decrease the "visual tearing" you see, when scrolling.

#22: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:31 pm
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Digs wrote:

Squadleader_id

Have you tried enabling "vsync" in your video card, software settings?. It will decrease the "visual tearing" you see, when scrolling.

Yup...
The tearing is from a forced/hasty patch to the old code...slowing down the fast scrolling but introducing ugly screen tearing.
I can play modern games fine...CoI is just an old game slightly 'retouched'...it's truly compatible with new systems. A launcher system like the CC Starter Utility that disables some direct X components would have worked much better...combine that with a CPU and GPU slow-down util...that could work.

#23: Author: Sweeper, Location: Sierra Vista, AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:12 pm
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As a returning player to the series, I'm rather curious as to what the new games have to offer as well. I used to have ABTF and RF back in the day, but I never really got into them. Now I discovered that Matrix is keeping the series alive and well and added some more games to boot. I found an old copy of ABTF and loaded it up to re-acquaint myself with the series. Modern Combat is holding my interest the most, but I'm still looking at the WWII Games as well. I haven't bought any of the new games yet.

Other than what's already mentioned, what has changed?

#24: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:23 pm
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There is really not that much new. Cross of Iron has an updated version of MMCC3 (see front page of this site for info), I also think theres some new maps, some bug fixes to make it run easier with Windows XP. When you play it though, you will not see much different between it and regular CC3. Same graphics, same interface. Its just a re-release. I do play MMCC3 on occasion, its good for instant combat on an online campaign vs the AI.

Modern Tactics is ok. Theres no campaign or operations, just single battles. Same graphics as well, modern vehicles and weapons. The super high lethality of the weapons has been debated. It has and enormous maps and a new interface, similair to that of the Marines version that was released to the USMC in 2004. Modern Tactics does support 8 players at once, 4vs4. The MAJOR drawback on this is on the minimap or the zoomed out bigger map views you cannot tell who your allies are. All Allies come up as the same colour, same with Axis. If your men get mixed up with your allies its very very hard to tell whos who. The multiplayer aspect lacks all of the modern day multiplayer functionalities, I describe it as multiplayer just hacked into CC without anything further done.

Road to Baghdad you wont even find forsale anymore as it was pulled from the shelves. Its just a single mission game on a few maps with modern units. CC5 mods have tons more to offer. Its a novelty, not worth playing.

If you want to play online join us in the CC5 Gamespy room. CC5 has had the most online players for years now, most active part of the community also. CC2 is still played by a hardened group of CC'ers over at www.tournamenthouse.com. The re-releases do not have a multiplayer following at all, be prepared to fight the AI only.

#25: Author: Grafrajohn,

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:09 am
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I think it is worth it if you love playing this game. A lot of modern WWII games i.e.games such as Blitzkrieg are awful whereas this one is realistic. In COI the characteristics of the units seem to have been tweaked to make them more realistic, enemy tanks no longer behave quite so stupidly as sitting ducks, there is a new campaign, infantry can better protect themselves against tanks, the games now runs fine on a modern machine. On the whole great stuff.

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