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  Topic: What's happen in the USA
dj

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:16 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
You live under Authoritarian rule by former KGB intelligence expert.  Never going to make it that easy for people to Google within the borders of Russia.  When I use various Search Engines I get many results here in U.S.  Despite Trump being Putin's puppet, surprised to see even his administration recently announced RIM as Global Terrorist organization.  Also this is like a syndicate or Proxy organization so they will keep it secret as much as possible.  Sweden is notorious for being neutral and does not try to start fights with Ruskies ....not credible to say they wanted to frame Russia and invent RIM.

https://www.state.gov/designation-of-the-russian-imperial-movement/

Interesting they chose the code name "Partisan".  Obviously that implies resistance to Western Governments.

it's a perfect fit to these extremists in other countries to do thy bidding of your Supreme Leader.  Violent overthrow of "Liberal" Democratic governments that pose threats to both of their interests.  Otherwise never going to win Elections outright.  Trump kind of got close but had only about half of the Republican Party committed to right-wing extremism.  Then lost majority control in Congress.  And well...Russia just does not have the financial resources to try another arms race.  Best they can do is continue to pick on Ukraine or maybe the Baltic states.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
dj

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:41 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-extremists-are-training-right-wing-terrorists-from-western-europe?ref=scroll

And here's one of the "Trump peaceful protestors" whom stole Nancy Pelosi's laptop and got caught trying to sell to Russian intelligence.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/riley-june-williams-may-have-stolen-pelosis-laptop-and-tried-to-sell-it-to-russia-says-fbi?ref=scroll
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
dj

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:36 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Predictable response...to deny RIM exists and spin it around as some type of Western or U.S. ploy.  I'm afraid the evidence tells otherwise.  It has been documented by Swedish government during their conviction of 2 white nationalists.  And training camp done right there in Saint Petersburg. So your comments do not add up.  It's not just USA identifying RIM, but many countries in Europe also.  Why would USA, Sweden and others Europe want to pick on innocent Russia to frame them?  Doesn't make any sense Comrade.

http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2015/04/what-does-fascist-conference-in-st.html

from the Just security article:

"In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political [and] information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”

...RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.

In recent years, RIM’s terrorist training has proven deadly. Months before bombing a refugee center in Gothenburg, Sweden, the two perpetrators attended RIM’s Partisan training camp. According to the prosecutor handling the case, attendance at the “paramilitary camp in St. Petersburg was a key step in [the bombers’] radicalization..."
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:20 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/a-reporters-footage-from-inside-the-capitol-siege
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
dj

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:42 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Paper Tiger - I think you meant like a "Proxy" off the books (paper).  That makes sense yes, RIM is really state-sponsored but keep off the books as official government entity.  It's like the old days of Cold War and West does the same but more stealthy.  I still don't understand what you meant by Russian mafia.  During the early days when Yeltsin was the boss, it was big problem.  Now I think they try to cooperate with Russian state in exchange for being good soldiers, I think this is something like the new "Oligarch" system in Russia.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:53 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Just fyi your opposition leader Alexei Navalny immediately arrested the instant he returned back from Germany.  What does Russian mafia have to do with U.S....so RIM is some the fault of U.S.?

https://nypost.com/2021/01/17/russian-dissident-alexei-navalny-detained-after-moscow-return/
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:18 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
And has a Russian "wife" what a coincidence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/revealed-the-true-identity-of-the-leader-of-americas-neo-nazi-terror-group
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:59 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Fulcum you may want to re-read that article, it was actually very good thanks and lots of links thanks for sharing.  Didn't not even know about "Russian Imperial Movement" paramilitary state-sponsored group uses Soviet-era system of proxies until I read some of the other links.  

"The current FBI official told NBC News that the bureau did not necessarily suspect Russian involvement in the bitcoin transfers" - does not say that Russia did this all they are doing is investigating.
How tragic the "French" national whom sent $522K USD to 22 far-right extremists just happened to commit suicide on December 8th on same day of this Bitcoin transaction?  

Hungary:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/world/europe/intent-on-unsettling-eu-russia-taps-foot-soldiers-from-the-fringe.html

Rinaldo Nizarro...just happens to live in Russia.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
dj

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:05 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Let me put it like this...dozens of the Trump Zombies that flew to the Coup attempt were already on FBI Terrorist watch lists.  Fact.   And yes it was a Coup attempt planned long in advance and had insider help from Congress caught providing Reconnaissance tours (no masks on of course). Must be watching only NewsMax to not know that the Insurrectionists did bring guns, zip ties for hostages, lasers, mace, bats, nooses to hang presumably Pence, Molotov cocktails...what else?  This is the Check-Mate on humanity according to Tristan Harris that Social Media has shown what we witnessed the very worse in humanity.  

Nope.  The people that brought dozens of FBI Terrorist watchlists folks to start insurrection based on lies, or simply because they just want a RightWing Authoritarian is not Pig card.  They literally are Nazi's, White Nationalist militia groups, QAnon nuts. About half of them minimum, the most hardcore radicalized. You know, like the guy with the Camp Auschwitz shirt. Or the people with Q Trust the plan shirts. I think it's fair to say we know who these nuts are.  No need to keep trying to rationalize or protect criminals already sent many to jail.  Gonna have 20K minimum Troops this time ready to mow down the Trump zombies.  Bring it on.  Trump is a coward just wants their $$$.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:47 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/13/956426253/rep-tim-ryan-probe-under-way-on-whether-members-gave-capitol-tours-to-rioters
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
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These are private companies and they can do as they wish when it comes to removing things or people from their platforms.

So it was OK in 1950-s when private bus companies denied blacks from their services? Your argument is that dumb, yes.

Funny thing is that Trump himself banned foreign platforms like TikTok, which now may be useful for him to reach his voters. He had all the knowledge about  pro-dems US Internet platforms, but hate against China blinded him.

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 "These People" also now are the mainstream of the entire Republican Party, which is now firmly even still Trump's Party.

No, GOP was not for these people. It occasionally used them as a fuel, than distanced, and it just become clear. Trump was, yes, but unlikely had any real support from GOP at most. Otherwise, otherwise, he could to do what he promised to his voters. to do what he promised to his voters.

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when they "protest" met with Secret Police in plain clothes posing as civilians looking to start fights with them

Not funny fact - Ashli Babbitt, US Air Force vet, was shot by police in plain clothes in Capitol.

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They were part of British Commonwealth now living under control of Dictatorship and want their freedom back.

People storming Capitol likely had exactly the same motivation - they want their freedom back. Freedom is bigger thing that some CA hipsters views about it.

If Dems will continue ignoring, do not start to speak with people and just blame trumpers as terrorists, than everyone in America will remember how domestic terrorism really looks like.
Like what? This. And this.


Nice try comrade I can tell you well trained and studied in Soviet-era propaganda points & probably you are former military.  But this is not very persuasive argument to save Putin's puppet.  Confederate states of the South have wanted apartheid style culture in South for since 1800's.  Rosa Parks was not welcome by them it had nothing to do with "private company".  Notably the majority of the Insurrectionists came from with their Confederate flags with them.  Websites whether this or Social Media have policy of zero tolerance to hate speech / violence / extremism which this does constitute.  

And no that's not correct about "those people" not being the base of GOP now.  Many polls of registered Republicans even after the Siege still show very strong support for Trump and the attempted Coup.  About 50% agreed with the Coup attempt, 80% claim to not trust integrity of elections.  And as I mentioned they had the highest turnout ever for Presidential election.  And only 10 out of almost 200 voted to impeach today.  That means the Siege mobs and their radicalized right wing supporters are firmly in control of the party.

Horrible comparison between Hong Kong and the Siege.  That woman is radicalized fanatic QAnon nut wearing Q gear in her social media posts.  It doesn't matter if she was veteran lots of former military or police or various folks can get radicalized on Social media sites.  She was about to storm into the Congress chambers and deserved to get shot.  If she wants to be suicidal and charge into Restricted Area and commit Federal crimes, that is her own stupidity for believing the Q lies.  There is no plan other than being used.  I do agree with you about that they GOP is just using them and can care less if they die.

Trump lied to them and said he would be there with them yet he was nowhere in sight.  Sitting at the White House eating cheeseburgers and enjoying on Television, while they spilled their blood as he lied and misled them. He's no Caeser.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:31 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
"It all started with lies..."

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:36 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Hope you're not drawing comparison between the 2 incidents?  I see the usual folks Hannity and Ingram doing their very best to spin and justify.  The Veterans were promised to be paid and Hoover was cheap barely even wanted to help people during Great Depression.  Nobody got killed for that one and they weren't going to take hostages and threaten to hang the VP.  And at least 7 White Nationalist militia gangs identified so far that we know of involved last week.  Treasure trove of archival info on Parler servers being investigated.  Not as dumb as the people that live streamed themselves committing Federal crimes at least.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:42 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
New video released today, looks like medieval-era Siege with brief cease fire to evacuate the wounded

https://money.yahoo.com/scenes-mayhem-pro-trump-protesters-003754604.html
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:51 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Clint Watts put it best..."Domestic terrorists vote, International terrorists don't".  And no need to sugarcoat or deny the Right-Wing racist militias were there it was all over their own Social Media posts.  Proud Boys and dozens of militias.  You can see they wore bulletproof vests and helmets some interviewed on camera vowed to return with guns.  Make no mistake...these are Terrorists and they were out for blood and got it.
100 percent they would have killed Pence, taken hostages and certainly would have killed others.
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:24 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
It is a false Dichotomy yes that society has placed itself into especially in USA.  To have ridiculous "purity" tests into false Binary choices.  In USA both Parties have incredibly stupid political agendas some have called "detached" from reality.  And neither party should be the one to exclusively have either good or bad ideas either.  The Founding Fathers of USA never intended for this and they were not Religious fundamentalists.
Almost all of them including General Washington were Freemasons.

I never said 30% of USA are racists...rather 30% of population (minus some defections) still firmly support Trump.  Some prefer an right-wing authoritarian.  Some literally called for him to "cross the Rubicon" but he is a coward, never even showed up to Siege.  Then caved on Video statement saying he would leave on 1/20.  Half of Republicans polled by YouGov supported the siege...I do believe that's a fair estimate of how many of them are Racists as well.  And QAnon right-wing conspiracy inspired populist groups spreading in Europe now.  In fact I saw one rioter carrying French flag (one Canadian flag also).
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
We're gonna have to agree to disagree Comrade.  Putin's Useful Idiot lost fair and square even his own appointed Court judges found no reason to overturn results because there is was no evidence presented.  Because if you lie in Court in law they will haul the Plaintiff off to jail.  And you conflate what a small number of radical activists posted on Twitter with BLM.  The looters had nothing to do with protests they used that as cover.  Twitter mob is not real just social media fantasy.  Just because someone or groups post on social media that doesn't reflect a majority of views.

As far as your accusations that "these people" weren't looked at?  Completely false.  "These People" also now are the mainstream of the entire Republican Party, which is now firmly even still Trump's Party.  Whom had full control of State Media outlets Fox News (only now are they starting to finally turn on him), NewMax cable TV, Rush Limbaugh whom got Medal of Freedom from Trump and dozens of other Right-Wing extremest curated media outlets and websites.  And they had the largest Republican voter turn-out ever but still lost by landslide in both popular and electoral college votes.

Hong Kong?  It's part of the People's Republic of China Communist Dictatorship now...when they "protest" met with Secret Police in plain clothes posing as civilians looking to start fights with them.  Don't see how that is even remotely close analogy.  They were part of British Commonwealth now living under control of Dictatorship and want their freedom back.
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:31 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
Not even during the Darkest Days of Civil War did the insurrectionists ever manage to do this:
https://www.newsr.in/n/Technology/1zmzz1eiqz/After-breaking-into-the-US-Capitol-and-storming.htm
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:19 pm   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
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I would describe this as more like Rome getting overrun by the barbarians...they looted, stole, smashed property (even windows that were already broken?), terrorized the occupants, stormed through Marble floors and statues, broke into locked rooms and placed their Rebel flags on top of statues as if they just conquered the Capital of enemy power.

Bad example, the Romans also considered themselves a republic...

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Generally people that carry molotov cockatiels are not praised as "protestors", or smashing all the Press media's equipment and cutting the power cables with Knives...that was a nice touch too.

You just describe peaceful protesters of Freedom from Ukraine, Libya, Syria, even HK, how pity.


No...that is incorrect.  First of all, the Roman Republic had ended centuries in 27 B.C. before the barbarian invasions of Rome. At that point it was an Empire ruled by Imperial decree.  My point was that it was NOT peaceful with 5 people killed and for nothing in your own words.  And quite a few very serious injuries.  Secondly...Ukraine / Libya / Syria were all Civil Wars and attempted overthrow of those nations governments.  That does not fit the definition of "peaceful" when people die and by violent means.  Like when Police got crushed by medieval style mob ramming the doors, that's not peaceful either.

Tons of photos / videos out there with Confederate flags, QAnon nuts, right-wing militias, White Supremists / Neo-Nazi type extremist groups.  And "Hang Mike Pence" chats by the Trump mobs.  Now Mike Pence is said to be "furious" at Trump, nearly got him killed.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6KBNroYD0
  Topic: What's happen in the USA
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:32 am   Subject: Re: What's happen in the USA
S.O.S. USA in big trouble, the rats in the Trump admin fleeing like a sinking ship nobody seems to be in charge of the Mad King.  Trying to prevent him from access to Nukes I heard. Sorry to say this is looking like the end of USA now.  The right wing extremists and their suicidal QAnon allies have now become mainstream of Republican Party & holding support steady about 30% of population in permanent resistance.
 
 
 
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