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mooxe

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: Saddam Executed Reply with quote

http://www.saddamexecuted.com Coming soon!

http://hangsaddam.com/ Place a bet on when hes hanged.

Theres tons more sites out there to..


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Searry

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

It's sad. It made the civil war available in Iraq. Now the Sunnis will start killing the Shiite even more, and a huge civil war will break in the country. Thousands more will die because of the stupidness of the US president.
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JohnDee

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555.ece

Robert Fisk: A dictator created then destroyed by America
Published: 30 December 2006

Saddam to the gallows. It was an easy equation. Who could be more deserving of that last walk to the scaffold - that crack of the neck at the end of a rope - than the Beast of Baghdad, the Hitler of the Tigris, the man who murdered untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while spraying chemical weapons over his enemies? Our masters will tell us in a few hours that it is a "great day" for Iraqis and will hope that the Muslim world will forget that his death sentence was signed - by the Iraqi "government", but on behalf of the Americans - on the very eve of the Eid al-Adha, the Feast of the Sacrifice, the moment of greatest forgiveness in the Arab world.

But history will record that the Arabs and other Muslims and, indeed, many millions in the West, will ask another question this weekend, a question that will not be posed in other Western newspapers because it is not the narrative laid down for us by our presidents and prime ministers - what about the other guilty men?

No, Tony Blair is not Saddam. We don't gas our enemies. George W Bush is not Saddam. He didn't invade Iran or Kuwait. He only invaded Iraq. But hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead - and thousands of Western troops are dead - because Messrs Bush and Blair and the Spanish Prime Minister and the Italian Prime Minister and the Australian Prime Minister went to war in 2003 on a potage of lies and mendacity and, given the weapons we used, with great brutality.

In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam's shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created.

Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam's weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability.

And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our "bunker buster" bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our "victory" - our "mission accomplished" - who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement.

Hours before Saddam's death sentence, his family - his first wife, Sajida, and Saddam's daughter and their other relatives - had given up hope.

"Whatever could be done has been done - we can only wait for time to take its course," one of them said last night. But Saddam knew, and had already announced his own "martyrdom": he was still the president of Iraq and he would die for Iraq. All condemned men face a decision: to die with a last, grovelling plea for mercy or to die with whatever dignity they can wrap around themselves in their last hours on earth. His last trial appearance - that wan smile that spread over the mass-murderer's face - showed us which path Saddam intended to walk to the noose.

I have catalogued his monstrous crimes over the years. I have talked to the Kurdish survivors of Halabja and the Shia who rose up against the dictator at our request in 1991 and who were betrayed by us - and whose comrades, in their tens of thousands, along with their wives, were hanged like thrushes by Saddam's executioners.

I have walked round the execution chamber of Abu Ghraib - only months, it later transpired, after we had been using the same prison for a few tortures and killings of our own - and I have watched Iraqis pull thousands of their dead relatives from the mass graves of Hilla. One of them has a newly-inserted artificial hip and a medical identification number on his arm. He had been taken directly from hospital to his place of execution. Like Donald Rumsfeld, I have even shaken the dictator's soft, damp hand. Yet the old war criminal finished his days in power writing romantic novels.

It was my colleague, Tom Friedman - now a messianic columnist for The New York Times - who perfectly caught Saddam's character just before the 2003 invasion: Saddam was, he wrote, "part Don Corleone, part Donald Duck". And, in this unique definition, Friedman caught the horror of all dictators; their sadistic attraction and the grotesque, unbelievable nature of their barbarity.

But that is not how the Arab world will see him. At first, those who suffered from Saddam's cruelty will welcome his execution. Hundreds wanted to pull the hangman's lever. So will many other Kurds and Shia outside Iraq welcome his end. But they - and millions of other Muslims - will remember how he was informed of his death sentence at the dawn of the Eid al-Adha feast, which recalls the would-be sacrifice by Abraham, of his son, a commemoration which even the ghastly Saddam cynically used to celebrate by releasing prisoners from his jails. "Handed over to the Iraqi authorities," he may have been before his death. But his execution will go down - correctly - as an American affair and time will add its false but lasting gloss to all this - that the West destroyed an Arab leader who no longer obeyed his orders from Washington, that, for all his wrongdoing (and this will be the terrible get-out for Arab historians, this shaving away of his crimes) Saddam died a "martyr" to the will of the new "Crusaders".

When he was captured in November of 2003, the insurgency against American troops increased in ferocity. After his death, it will redouble in intensity again. Freed from the remotest possibility of Saddam's return by his execution, the West's enemies in Iraq have no reason to fear the return of his Baathist regime. Osama bin Laden will certainly rejoice, along with Bush and Blair. And there's a thought. So many crimes avenged.

But we will have got away with it.
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Pzt_Kami

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally ! He must be Executed earlier. bastard Mad


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Arg0n




PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell you that I am against capital punishment in a civil society for murderers and such, but this is different and he didn't deserve anything better.

Arg0n.


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Pzt_Kanov

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Arg0n wrote:
I can tell you that I am against capital punishment. No matter what you do to anyone, you don't deserve death


But what about child molesters, rapist, people that kill for fun/rage/voices and scientologists? I don't condone capital punishment, but I think these should be executed on sight.

On Saddam, they should have pulled a brainwashing on him or trick him to say something to discourage the insurgency/Freedom fighters in Irak. Now they just made him a martir.


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Canada I do not want to see the death penalty. Over in Iraq, a country that has existed for far longer and has vastly different values, I would tend to believe they have a good reason to have the death penalty.

Here is the phone video of the execution. It crap quality but it shows him dead.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3


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Blackstump

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Reply with quote

so humanity is locking sombody up and forcing them to work and eat crap food till they die ?? i think capital punishment would be a relief for some...


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Polemarchos

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys main problems of executing a ex-Dictators are plentiful:

1) formally Saddam had immunity status till May 2003. (US tried to kill him during the war with a bunker-buster. Never in history i can recall decapitation attack against a state leader from external powers (exception maybe Fidel Castro)

2) The US attacked Iraq without UN-Mandate and does not accept the Rome Statute (International Crime Court). An int. court would have give him a sentence for life.

3) International Law concerning human rights abolished death penalty in war crimes after Nuremberg.

4) The US and lots of people in Iraq wanted him dead, that why he was designateed to be killed even before the actual trial.

5) I personally dont favor capital punishment, even for tyrannts.

6) Imo Saddam was consiederd worse than milosevic and/or others and so we are witnessing a revival of method which actually died in 1945.

7) While the US president is greeting the killing, European Leader haven't stated anything positive about that, yet.. Here you have the different perspective on issues of legality or justice execised by Western democracies.

dilemma:
Laying the foundation for democracy by execising similar practices as dictorships do (by pointing out that Iraq needs that kind of legal framework) may be pragmatically right, but moral law is still absent.

He deserves to die, but i doubt it was the right option in fragile Iraq anyways.


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Uberdave

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

A life sentence would have been more appropriate, as the 'martyrdom' issue will probably backfire in the future.

But then again, the Iraqi government carry out the execution. It was the will of their people...or at least the elites positioned within the puppet government.

Interesting how he was only found guilty of war crimes against the Kurds. The court didn't proceed with evidence of atrocities from the Iran-Iraq war, or the Kuwait invasion, as the ties (arms deals) between the once powerful Saddam and the US would inevitably be revealed.
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Pz_Meyer

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

all he needed was a little time to write his memoirs and show the world some of his secrets, it was a purposeful rush to execute to avoid any embarrassment for other world leaders.
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