fruitbar
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 Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: non panzer tanks |
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i saw the germans had some sort of light and heavy tank that is not a panzer including one that has two main guns...
what are these supposed to be??
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schrecken
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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They are French tanks
the Char B has the 2 guns
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fruitbar
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| and they are pretty weak...not surprisingly
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mooxe
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| The 75mm is forward firing only, has very limited or no traverse in CC. IRL I think its fired by the driver, aimed by the commander, its a real confusing setup. It has heavy front armour though and can withstand alot of shots. There were a few examples of the Char holding its own when the Germans invaded France, good stories.
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Therion
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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It was both aimed and fired by the driver  . It's my favourite tank .
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fruitbar
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| mooxe wrote (View Post):
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...It has heavy front armour though and can withstand alot of shots. There were a few examples of the Char holding its own when the Germans invaded France, good stories.
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that is until i threw a grenade at it :D
i say its not much of a heavy tank than you can expect..one grenade apparently disabled the main gun and immobilized it
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CSO_Talorgan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| Didn't 7th Panzer come across a bunch of them refueling in 1940 and take them out by shooting through the open side doors?
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DCLXVI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| If I recall correctly, they had a weakness in the side ventilation grille...other than that, they were considered one of the best tanks at the start of the war (~1940)....
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CSO_Talorgan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| Yes, I think you're right.
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Tippi-Simo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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That tank was as useful as Maginot-line 
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CSO_Talorgan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| Weren't they used as mobile pillboxes and for infantry support because the commanders of the day had not grasped mobile warfare?
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king_tiger_tank
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| Therion wrote (View Post):
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It was both aimed and fired by the driver .
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I see that being a silly setup, because the position is driver not gunner/driver, which means that he should focus on driving rather than trying to fire and reload a cannon while driving. It's like those people who are on a cellphone, and eating while they are driving.
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fruitbar
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CSO_Talorgan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:27 am Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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| fruitbar wrote (View Post):
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which is why i fix that
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Surely that's unrealistic?
... or are you just having a larff?
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Mopolopy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: Re: non panzer tanks |
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The weak points of the B1 were:
-Slow
-Massive
-one man turret, the commander had to serve the 47mm gun (wich was considered a secondary gun, the main one was the 75mm located in the hull), look for targets, command his crew and sometimes command other tanks !
-Fuel capacity, thus reducing its action radius (150 km only)
However, in 1940, only the rare Panzer IV could compete with it (and I mean short-barreled Pz IV, the others didn't exist), aerial bombing was a very frequent way to destroy them.
B1 bis had thick armor (60mm, yeah thin compared to a Tiger tank but the latter appeared two years later; Sherman tanks ). The vent was not a weak spot, it was well protected.
The 47mm gun could pierce ANY German tank present in 1940.
And yes indeed, this tank looks very odd to PRESENT tanks and tank doctrines.
Excellent idea to add another crew member by the way
Does it work ?
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