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tigercub

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

1.Infantry Aces by Franz Kurowski pretty good read!

2.Shatttered Sword.....new info on the battle of midway

both  online Amazon

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mooxe

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Now reading A Perfect Hell, sorry of the "Devils Brigade," its pretty good. Half way in I had to go watch the movie... which ofcourse was pure Hollywood EXCEPT!!! for how the Canadian came marching in with band playing, kilts and the high arm drill. That was the best part in the movie.

The book centers on some main characters and their exploits mostly behind enemy lines. Lots of infiltration, hunting, recon and silent killing. A good read.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

You can call it commercial :)

The new book by the Russian historian A.Isaev and producer A.Drabkin was recently released:
Barbarossa: THrough Soviet eyes.

I've read that in Russian and I strongly suggest to read the book to anyone who is interested in EF history.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

The new book Soldaten, was released recently in Germany.
The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,755385,00.html
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing that and providing the link.  That's saying something if Germans themselves admit to such atrocities.  It is very annoying that here in America the war on the East Front was almost totally ignored.  In that the REAL terror and horror of the EF is unknown to the younger generations.  In reality both sides committed shocking crimes against humanity of a scale impossible to imagine in today's standards.  We are too quick to forget history...doomed to repeat it.
Yeah it's good to see such honesty from the Germans themselves to dispute the myth that only the SS did these heinous war crimes.  

I think this is why Germany was so scared of the advancing Russians in the late war...because they knew they wanted revenge for rape, pillage and murder of so many Soviets.  That does not justify how many German civilians suffered similar horrific deaths...but after all they started the fight, not the Russians.


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Blackstump

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:36 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Now reading A Perfect Hell, sorry of the "Devils Brigade," its pretty good. Half way in I had to go watch the movie... which ofcourse was pure Hollywood EXCEPT!!! for how the Canadian came marching in with band playing, kilts and the high arm drill. That was the best part in the movie.

The book centers on some main characters and their exploits mostly behind enemy lines. Lots of infiltration, hunting, recon and silent killing. A good read.

just reading were they used a rare mg for these troops " the johnson smg"


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Dima is there an english version of that book?
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Dima

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Doubt it as it was just recently released in Germany so will take some time for localization.
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Therion

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Dima wrote (View Post):
The new book Soldaten, was released recently in Germany.
The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,755385,00.html  

Weird thing, we never got a myth of good Wehrmacht in Poland.


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Well no army is innocent. The German regular armies innocence is granted "when compared to" the massive atrocities that happened at the hands of the SS. From the link Dima posted, the stories there on soldiers/pilots killing civilians is something we still hear in the news every month. We should assume all militaries partake in murdering which is confined to very small elements like platoon or below.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

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We should assume all militaries partake in murdering which is confined to very small elements like platoon or below.

That's true for most of the armies but the army of nazi Germany was taking part in such atrocities on a regular basis as it was a continuation of the state policy.
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Therion

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Dima wrote (View Post):
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We should assume all militaries partake in murdering which is confined to very small elements like platoon or below.

That's true for most of the armies but the army of nazi Germany was taking part in such atrocities on a regular basis as it was a continuation of the state policy.


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platoon_michael

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Since were all high on the Navy seal thing have any of you ever read any of the books by Richard Marcinko?
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Just ordered from Amazon...

"If You Survive" by George Wilson

"Penalty Strike: The Memoirs Of A Red Army Penal Company Commander" by Alexander Pyl'cyn

"Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II " by Belton Y. Cooper


$37.18 with tax and shipping incl, not bad.


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Dima

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Quote:
"Penalty Strike: The Memoirs Of A Red Army Penal Company Commander" by Alexander Pyl'cyn
"Death Traps Survival American Division" by Belton Y. Cooper

i've read these 2 in Russian - good ones Smile.
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Priapus

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Noway! I've just ordered the penal commander one too. I assume you've both read "Forgotten Soldier" too?
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Yes. Its the one book I reccomend to everyone.
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Priapus

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Yeah, it was incredible. Although there appears to be some debate about the authors legitimacy. A big budget film adaptation was canceled recently because of the broken economy. Looking forward to seeing things from the other sides perspective, although I can't imagine it being much cheerier.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

Priapus wrote (View Post):
Yeah, it was incredible. Although there appears to be some debate about the authors legitimacy. A big budget film adaptation was canceled recently because of the broken economy. Looking forward to seeing things from the other sides perspective, although I can't imagine it being much cheerier.


I bet this would be one of those movies that could never measure up to the book.
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7A_Woulf

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: What are you reading? Reply with quote

I was only going to check one thing, but I ended up reading the book: Modern Combat Uniforms by Mark Lloyd.

It's not so 'modern' anymore, but a rather interesting document of the worlds armies in 1988 (damn, I was only 15 when this books was published and I got it.) Easy to read as well, especially if you don't look for specific information: -open a random page, read the text about the unit and look at the drawing on the opposite side with the comments to it. Then open another random page.

I just love books where 50% are pictures!  Wink


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