Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:33 am Post subject: The mod community is dying and it is not strange..........
Hi all, the last year I have seen how the CC community is dying slowly. The list from players leaving the game is bigger than the players joining it. I think that this is by these three reasons.
-Zero publicity from the last CC games. If you do not enter a CC site, you do not go to know nothing about the game.
-More of ten years with the same type of engine. The last versions added new features but at the end, they are the same game without new changes on graphics.
-Complete lack of respect to other modders, it is probably exclusive from Close Combat series.Who wants to make a new mod if your work goes to be stolen? I do not want. If my work goes to be taken without my authorization and when I give my opinion about it, I go to be ignored and the site administrators do not go defend the old rules from every mod community.......I do not like make new mods.
Probably these three reasons have their origins on other small details but I do not go to judge them because it would be bad publicity for the games.
-Complete lack of respect to other modders, it is probably exclusive from Close Combat series.Who wants to make a new mod if your work goes to be stolen? I do not want. If my work goes to be taken without my authorization and when I give my opinion about it, I go to be ignored and the site administrators do not go defend the old rules from every mod community.......I do not like make new mods.
I am not the authority of who mods what. I have echod the "old rules" occaisionally but it was certainly not in any official capacity. If someone takes your mod and mods it further, that is between you and him. Thats been my opinion since CCS started. If they post links in the forum to download those files from other sites, that is simply free speech. The only person who can give me a take down notice is the copyright holder themselves.
I am pretty sure none of your stolen work is hosted on this server.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:24 am Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
Yea well when your willing to put your work/mod out there you gotta be able to accept criticism,good or bad.
If your mod or my mod sucks,It Sucks.
If it's great then it's Great.
Stealing?
Your upset because somebody stole the images you stole of the internet?
Somebody used the same Data you had with subtle changes kinda like the data you stole (From Atomic) but with subtle changes?
Come On Man.
Besides,The greatest compliment anyone can give is by using your work,inmho
I do agree the list of Modders is short,and most can't accept any criticism what so ever anymore,like throwing some half-ass crap out there and they say "Look" Here's a Mod,Come play it,Isn't it great?
And it just takes so much time,not like many of us here are 14 living in our parents basement spitting out Mods day after day,you know?
You got something you want to share and play then do it.
If not,don't rub it in like some fucking old lady waving an angry stick in my face.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
God, here we go again. Its getting as predictable as the summer solstice.
First, I am not even sure this site is taking new content.
Next, many people here have voiced ideas on how to handle these situations, but in the end, no one here can actually enforce anything on other sites.
Its a personal decision. I suppose, one could argue in the end, if you are that worried about a mod, then copyright its material, apply for a patent, whatever you have to do.
But, back in 2006, I took your CC4 on CC5 mod, and I modified the bejeezus out of it. I made an all new UI, I used CC5 vehicles, and I didn't use your knarly strat map either.
But, I never uploaded it, because I knew you would go apeshit.
Yea well when your willing to put your work/mod out there you gotta be able to accept criticism,good or bad.
If your mod or my mod sucks,It Sucks.
If it's great then it's Great.
Well, i know my DOF2 mod sucks severely, because nikin told me so
Of course his opinion is more important than thousands of others
Hey, i love constructive criticism, it helps me to improve my mod.
(hey, i even made some changes to appease Lord nikinpoop)
But, i don't appreciate it when people tell me to do what is not practicably possible because they have no understanding of the limitations that modders work with.
To all people who want to suggest ideas to moddders:
By all means, ask for what you would like to have in their next mod.
If the modder says he can't/won't do it, just accept it.
Stealing?
Your upset because somebody stole the images you stole of the internet?
Somebody used the same Data you had with subtle changes kinda like the data you stole (From Atomic) but with subtle changes?
YEP, i fess up
DOF was created with shitloads of stolen data
Mostly i stole it from the public download section at CSO
Stolen graphics, sounds, ideas, from many user created mods were used to make DOF, sometimes using stolen modding tools too.
Though, in compliance with community etiquite, i did give credits to all/most of the molested entities for their unsolicited contributions
And it just takes so much time,not like many of us here are 14 living in our parents basement spitting out Mods day after day,you know?
Man it sucks up time!
Actually getting a life has severely handicapped my ability to mod CC
99% of the work making DOF & DOF2 was done when i was both single and unemployed
Hey, i don't realy play anymore (my regular H2H buddy has been too busy with his new business), but i still intend to complete the 3rd and final version of DOF.
Why?
Dunno
Guess i just gotta keep my word to the community
and my buddy and i WILL start playing again one day,....... i hope
I recall the other guy who was predicting the death of CC community if he stops making mods...what was his name?
Yes reminds of when PJ was starting threads about how Salhexe did not have permission to mod his mod. Sorry but nobody has copyright on mods. It is CC community resource.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:28 am Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
Modding CC isn't Dead,It's just down right Sloooooowwwww.
Might not be the Mod everyone is waiting for but so far TT's VETBoB importing to WAR has given you Trees on the .OVM's (A first)
And the next upgrade is to include
266 Weapons Class's
279 Soldier Class's
304 Allied Teams
292 Axis teams
Compaired to the stock game that has
72 Soldier Class's
141 Weapon Class's
93 Allied teams
148 Axis teams
The extras Class's/Teams will allow for the game to finally have a True different setting for each well.....ahh setting (Another First)
I am pretty sure none of your stolen work is hosted on this server.
You do not defend to the people modding from the first moment that you let a thread from a mod made with stolen stuff.
[quote]Modding CC isn't Dead,It's just down right Sloooooowwwww.
CC modding is dying. How many people have downloaded a mod on one year? 100? if it is not dying........and please I have stats from ten years ago. I know very well how the number of people playing this game has lowed.
CC modding is dying. How many people have downloaded a mod on one year? 100? if it is not dying........and please I have stats from ten years ago. I know very well how the number of people playing this game has lowed.
Hi there FF
If 100 people have downloaded a mod in a year, then how can that equal that the moding community is dying?
My guess:
If only 100 people have downloaded a mod in the last year, it’s either a sign of low interest of the mod, or the whole community is dying...
Im not refuting that the community is dying, it seems very slow to me.
The moders seem to be at it still, GJS is ported to TLD and LSA, and new maps are being made. Stalingrad is ported and new maps is made. AGS is at DOF again, ver 3 is in pipeline. Dima work with his stuff as usual, and Privateryan and Dak produces stuff at regular basis. TJ and SL are at Meuse, and a convert to 64 maps may be next?… Salhex provide vet mods at regular intervals. Gary and Dak is doing a EF mod with HEX strat map... First ever in CC? Dave work on a WaR based mod. Buck and Pete are at there german 45 mod. And there are others who work to, so the names I mention are just from the top of my head. So moders are at it..
The phase is slower as Dave point out, that’s not so strange is it? I mean, we are all 15 years older, and family kids and such,,,
The question is:
Why is the game dying?
What can be done to reverse this?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:36 am Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
The CC community would be healthier if certain modders were more accepting of people "stealing their work", took it as flattery, which it is, and worked with the to further it rather than crying like a little bitch!
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
I cant understand why Nomada isnt hired by the game developers...
All the sounds, graphics, modtools aso he has developed for "his" mods without "stealing" anything from the dying CC community is an art... i must say..
CC modding is dying. How many people have downloaded a mod on one year? 100? if it is not dying........and please I have stats from ten years ago. I know very well how the number of people playing this game has lowed.
Hi there FF
If 100 people have downloaded a mod in a year, then how can that equal that the moding community is dying?
My guess:
If only 100 people have downloaded a mod in the last year, it’s either a sign of low interest of the mod, or the whole community is dying...
Im not refuting that the community is dying, it seems very slow to me.
The moders seem to be at it still, GJS is ported to TLD and LSA, and new maps are being made. Stalingrad is ported and new maps is made. AGS is at DOF again, ver 3 is in pipeline. Dima work with his stuff as usual, and Privateryan and Dak produces stuff at regular basis. TJ and SL are at Meuse, and a convert to 64 maps may be next?… Salhex provide vet mods at regular intervals. Gary and Dak is doing a EF mod with HEX strat map... First ever in CC? Dave work on a WaR based mod. Buck and Pete are at there german 45 mod. And there are others who work to, so the names I mention are just from the top of my head. So moders are at it..
The phase is slower as Dave point out, that’s not so strange is it? I mean, we are all 15 years older, and family kids and such,,,
The question is:
Why is the game dying?
What can be done to reverse this?
/S
@Stalky
You Forgot to say that:
Also.....DAK_Legion had time to PORT CCTLD_GJS4.4_TRSMV0982
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: The mod community is dying and it is not strange........
Yeh, what are you saying here?
Let’s start from square one ok.
Mate, listen here really really really carefully, ok.
1)Before you sent those files, you have NEVER ever communicated with me. Not through MSN, not through e-mail, and not through PM here at CCS.
2)So one day, from a blue sky come some files from you, a conversion of TRSM into TLD. Cool. Wow. But I dont play TLD or any of the CC-rereleses... Didnt you know that? !
3)So, what are you demanding of me? You got a thank you for sending files that I never asked for! Thanx again.
4)As we have not spoken, where did you get the idea that I was to be your mod-tester? When did I agree to that? I have never agreed to test for you. And I have never agreed to be on your mod-team either. Heck, you never talked to me and asked me if I wanted to be a part of this in a way or another…. You assumed something… wrong.
You just sent some files from the blue sky…. I said thanx… And I meant that sincerely. I also think it may be interesting to get GJS-TRSM into TLD… Who knows, one day I may play it….? Maybe after the next TLD patch, or the one after that… .. ..
But, listen here mate. IF you are not my wife you should not expect me to dance after your pipe just because you want me to do this or that and make plans for me. OK; general rule, if your not Mrs Stalky or Mrs Secretary or the Dean, don’t expect me to do stuff just because YOU want me to do that…. ASK FIRST, if I want to do it, if I have time to do it, if I even play the game version your working with, before you decide that im to do this or that for you…
For you see, if you forget that, it will all be silly.
I have no problem with you, and never had an argument with you. And I have no intention to having either with you. OK:
Please consider that you have gone a bit to far here.
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