Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Utah v2 is announced (once again)
Hello Dima,
anything on Utah 2? Haven't heard anything about it since your post on the changes in the forcepool (a screenshot on a 17.SS BG too if I remember correctly too).
Would love to play this, I've always had something special for the Normandy battles
Hello Dima,
anything on Utah 2? Haven't heard anything about it since your post on the changes in the forcepool (a screenshot on a 17.SS BG too if I remember correctly too).
Would love to play this, I've always had something special for the Normandy battles
Nikin and me are really busy with our real life and I kind of got bored with Normadny after BfC, so switched to Stalingrad...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Utah v2 is announced (once again)
A shame to hear, but hey, It's your freetime to decide what to do with.
However, as you said, I can hope
Out of curiosity, how far has Utah 2 come?
Any chance to glean at the data for the remade american and german paratroopers teams?
Could be quite usefull to someone, nudge, nudge, wink, wink
Out of curiosity, how far has Utah 2 come?
Any chance to glean at the data for the remade american and german paratroopers teams?
Could be quite usefull to someone, nudge, nudge, wink, wink
there was a big difference between US Para teams in June and September, especially in terms of equipment, f.e. BAR was standartized by September while in Normandy it was not authorized but used by 82nd.
6.FJR had a different organization and equipment either. In Normandy the squad was based on 2 6men teams (IIRC): both with 1 leMG (which was anything from MG.13 to MG.42/FG.42) + 2 MP + 2 Kar. IIRC in Septmber they had 5 men teams (10men squads).
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Utah v2 is announced (once again)
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there was a big difference between US Para teams in June and September, especially in terms of equipment, f.e. BAR was standartized by September while in Normandy it was not authorized but used by 82nd.
Yupp, got it covered, even got in the panzerfäuste for the 82:nd. Am I right in that the 101st didn't jump with any BARs in Holland? I know the 82:nd developed a way to jump with BAR, but they didn't pass this technic on to the 101st?
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6.FJR had a different organization and equipment either. In Normandy the squad was based on 2 6men teams (IIRC): both with 1 leMG (which was anything from MG.13 to MG.42/FG.42) + 2 MP + 2 Kar. IIRC in Septmber they had 5 men teams (10men squads).
This I didn't have a clue about, need to do some more research on german squad organization
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Utah v2 is announced (once again)
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Yupp, got it covered, even got in the panzerfäuste for the 82:nd. Am I right in that the 101st didn't jump with any BARs in Holland? I know the 82:nd developed a way to jump with BAR, but they didn't pass this technic on to the 101st?
IIRC in Normandy 82nd overran a stock of PzF near St.Mere-Eglise. Any account they jumped with PzF in Holland?
Doubt they jumped with BARs (as it was too heavy and cumbersome), most probably they were dropped in containers like M1919A4 and AFAIK both units used BARs during MG.
The standard squad for MG would have 12men with 1 M1919A4 + 2 M1C + 2 SMG (M3A1 was preffered over M1A1) + 7 M1R (2 of them with grenade launchers). BAR was unallocated weapon in weapon reserve so could be used in place of one of M1R. Some M1903A3 were used instead of M1R as well, mainly for rifle grenadiers or sharp shooters (a-la squad marksman rifle).
Also in August 1944 1 designated sniper (M1903A4) was authorized for each Para Platoon.
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This I didn't have a clue about, need to do some more research on german squad organization
you can check the german squad organizations in BfC .
but basically:
Grenadiere - 9men (1 leMG + 1-2 SMG + 6-7 Kar (1 with SB)). Sniper rifles were very rare in squads as the production could never meant a demand for scopes, pretty same was for SMG thus 1-2 instead of 2 authorized.
PzGrenadiere: -
Typ43(gp) - 12men (2 leMG + 2 Pi + 1 SMG + 1 G41/K43 + 6 Kar (1 with SB)).
Typ43(mot) - 13men (2 leMG + 2Pi + 1 SMG + 1 G41/K43 + 7 Kar (1 with SB)).
Typ44(gp) - 10men (2 leMG + 1 SMG + 1 G41/K43 + 6 Kar (1 with SB)).
FJ - 10men (2 leMG + 2 SMG + 6 Kar (1 with SB)). FG.42 was in short supply and could be used either instead of Kar or leMG.
If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask as like someone has told "The information not shared is lost" .
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Utah v2 is announced (once again)
Can't quote any sources atm, but remember reading that the 82:nd ABs' stock of fausts were mostly used up in the OMG campaign and later restocked from ammunition dumps in Nijmegen.
It can't be that hard to stuff in a faust or two in a drop container, right?
Besides, it's not like im giving every squad a faust. Only 4-6 squads/BG have one.
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The B.A.R. was an effective and devastating weapon and immediately after WW2, the 82nd and 11th Airborne Divisions incorporated them into their TO&Es and devised a method of jumping with them fully-assembled, and strapped alongside the parachutist's leg, muzzle down.
Can't quote any sources atm, but remember reading that the 82:nd ABs' stock of fausts were mostly used up in the OMG campaign and later restocked from ammunition dumps in Nijmegen.
It can't be that hard to stuff in a faust or two in a drop container?
yes, should not be a problem if they have they were available
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