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Stwa

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Well, it seems to me there is alot of moral high ground being traversed in this thead by its participants, as YOU demonstrate.

There is NOT going to be WWIII. Whatever happens to Ukraine is hardly an issue, except perhaps to some (but not all) Ukrainians.

But there might be another genoicide. I thought McDonalds could save the Ukraine, but look.  Arrow


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Stwa

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

And if anyone is really, really, scared. Then short Euro stocks and hope for a limited thermonuclear exchange in Eastern Europe and Russia. After it occurs, sell your position. BTW, this strategy is NOT recommended by moi.

Remember, Europe will rotate into any fallout that occurs over Russia. Or is it the other way around. Question  Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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You keep repeating the same BOGUS conspiracy theory accusations that don't have a single shred of actual facts or real evidence.  Where is the actual proof that US/EU is starting to provoke Russia?  Complete rubbish.  President Obama was a university student of the very same author of the book you cite as your sacred "evidence".

By the way - Neither true Capitalism nor Socialism exist any where in the world.  Not a single nation has this as their exclusive form of ideology.  Every nation has a hybrid.  If any nation tried to have a purity test by eliminating one of the other, it would cease to exist.  Some form of capitalism and socialism must co-exist.  All the Partisan fringes love to accuse either of other of being puppets for Nazi's or Commies...then our Politicians love to label Social Programmes as Socialism or Communism is just Partisan grandstanding.


And what sort of "Made in Amurika" crack are you smoking? Suck down much Fox "News" propaganda lately dj?

Remind me which Nation has been dropping random bombs weekly on at least 5 other Countries? Which nation has over 1,000 military bases spread around the planet, sells the most weapons to the rest of the world, spends more than 60% of its govt.'s discretionary spending on "defense" (wars of aggression), alone spends nearly as much as the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED on its military? Which nation illegally invaded 2 other countries in illegal wars of aggression and has built permanent military bases there in the last 10 yrs? Which Nation has imprisoned more of IT'S OWN CITIZENS than ANY other country in history with a privatized "for profit" prison system? Which Nation spies on every aspect of its own citizens and blatantly lies to its own citizens consistently? Which Nation has sponsored more coups and overthrows of Democratically elected leaders than any other? I can go on and on with examples, but if you're still sucking on the USA!!! USA!!! propaganda flag, then you're just lost and delusional.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Your post is completely off-topic.  What does this have to do with Ukraine or anything related to this thread?  America has bases in nations that actually want us there and by the way we actually give them lots of $$$ to lease them.  Nice try buddy...you are the one smoking crack if you have to resort to childish name calling and throwing out a bunch of off-topic ramblings.  If some jihadi gangster gets bombed by drone then GOOD!  I'll drop the bomb myself.

Just fyi - not everybody in America listens to Fox News or is right-wing nut.  And not every State has a for profit prison system or supports a Militant War Hawk agenda.  Did McCain get elected? NOPE.
Did Romeny get elected? NOPE.  Quit your hating.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Yeah arguments like FMJs are out of place. If we were to take the history of any country we could go round and round in circles forever.
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sieterayos

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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sieterayos wrote (View Post):
The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives

http://www.amazon.com/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261
 
Project for the new American Century

"The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. established in 1997 as a non-profit educational organization founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Robert Kagan

"He been a foreign policy advisor to several U.S. Republican presidential candidates as well as to Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State under President Obama."

"Kagan is married to long-time career diplomat Victoria Nuland, who is currently serving as Assistant Secretary of European and Eurasian Affairs in the Barack Obama administration."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

Victoria Nuland

""We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.""

"Nuland was discussing with Pyatt her plans for the role of the Ukrainian opposition leaders in the country’s coming government and the crises in Ukraine. Nuland said Vitali Klitschko should not be allowed into the government because he was too inexperienced, but that the coming PM should talk to him and to Svoboda "four times per week""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland


You keep repeating the same [b] BOGUS conspiracy theory accusations that don't have a single shred of actual facts or real evidence.  Where is the actual proof that US/EU is starting to provoke Russia?  Complete rubbish.  President Obama was a university student of the very same author of the book you cite as your sacred "evidence".[/b]

By the way - Neither true Capitalism nor Socialism exist any where in the world.  Not a single nation has this as their exclusive form of ideology.  Every nation has a hybrid.  If any nation tried to have a purity test by eliminating one of the other, it would cease to exist.  Some form of capitalism and socialism must co-exist.  All the Partisan fringes love to accuse either of other of being puppets for Nazi's or Commies...then our Politicians love to label Social Programmes as Socialism or Communism is just Partisan grandstanding.


Lenin emphasised the need to explain patiently to the working class, but although dj is not working class, I'll try to follow Lenin's example.

You keep repeating the same BOGUS conspiracy theory accusations that don't have a single shred of actual facts or real evidence.  Where is the actual proof that US/EU is starting to provoke Russia?  Complete rubbish.  President Obama was a university student of the very same author of the book you cite as your sacred "evidence".

Thank you, in your efforts to rubbish my "conspiracy theory" you only furnish another strand of information to confirm it. Your assertion that Obama was a student of Zbigniew Brzezinski is most probably true, didn't know that, I didn't know the connection was so direct. The interviewee in this article even asserts he was "recruited" by him while studying politics at Columbia. http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1497.html

Now, if you do not understand the significance of Victoria Newland's statements I refer you to,  if you do not understand that these provide conclusive proof of illegal regime change efforts down to directly determining who will occupy which position, also that neo-Nazis were to be included in the new framework of power, you really are beyond help. Perhaps you are confused by the connection of Newland to Robert Kagan. Let me explain. The detail of her "intimate" connection to the "Project for the New American Century" (PfaNAC), is, like Obama studying under Brzezinski, just icing on a cake which would be almost as tasty without it. Just as the crimes of the Nazis can be traced to Mein Kampf and the Zweites Buch, current US policy can be traced to the Grand Chessboard and the PfaNAC document; the current incumbents of the Kiev parliament can be traced to Nulands conspiracies.

In passing, I seem to recall that back in CSO days, when PftNAC was a Bush issue, rather like Michael Moore, you were all over it. Now it's Obama continuing the same policies and at a higher level, puff, the issue doesn't exist for either of you, it's a "conspiracy theory" it's aaaaaall gone away. In other words, if my memory is serving me well, like your ducu-trash idol, your objection to conspiracy to wage aggressive war was never principled but party political. Some "independent" that would make you!

By the way - Neither true Capitalism nor Socialism exist any where in the world.  Not a single nation has this as their exclusive form of ideology.  Every nation has a hybrid.  If any nation tried to have a purity test by eliminating one of the other, it would cease to exist.  Some form of capitalism and socialism must co-exist.  All the Partisan fringes love to accuse either of other of being puppets for Nazi's or Commies...then our Politicians love to label Social Programmes as Socialism or Communism is just Partisan grandstanding.

You have not even found a starting point from which to approach the question. Ideology begins in the real world and in its social relations. What you regard as "socialist ideology" in capitalist economy is nothing more than a few crumbs from the table of the super rich to pacify dissent and preserve the very exploitative social relations of production that keep the poor ever poorer. You can keep it.

Any ideology that rejects the overthrow of the capitalist class and exploitation, their replacement with the democratic control of the working class over society's productive forces, is not socialist. Period.
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sieterayos

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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 If some jihadi gangster gets bombed by drone then GOOD!  I'll drop the bomb myself.

Just fyi - not everybody in America listens to Fox News or is right-wing nut.  


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sieterayos

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Yeah arguments like FMJs are out of place. If we were to take the history of any country we could go round and round in circles forever.


Yar, I guess Stwa's posts are more your thing, really on topic, eh?
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FMJ

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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Your post is completely off-topic.  What does this have to do with Ukraine or anything related to this thread?  


My post is right on topic. Your propagandized mind can't see clearly. The U.S. has been in the "business" of overthrows consistently since post WW2. You "believe" in the fairy tale that the U.S. are the force of good in the world and the rest of the world is lucky to have the good Amerikan cops saving them...sorry to burst your bubble. The U.S. is once again sticking its dick where it doesn't belong, at the cost of others bloodshed, and the Ukraine is no exception.

Are you a proud Amerikan? Enjoying the thousands of children and innocent civilians getting blown apart by U.S. drones? Does that get your National bloodlust pumping? Has Russia dropped a bomb or invaded any other Nation in the last 10 yrs? If the perpetual U.S. GLOBAL WAR (on) OF TERROR gets your support, then you are lost.

A quote on the U.S. Empire I recently came across-
"The malignant cancer of US Fourth Reich militarism and ecomonic hegemony has metastasized around the world. Any people with the guts and skill to curb it, or do a Fourth Reichectomy on it gets kudos in my book.

The Fourth Reich has become the most hated and feared regime on the planet. Even its alleged allies don't trust it. It is dedicated to ruling and controlling every nation on earth, and debasing their people.

It appears to finally be succumbing to the dry rot inherent in all fascist and totalitarian empires that have infested the world, but usually the cost of finally getting rid of them is enormous.

Unfortunately, they are like the hydra. When you have cut off its head and assumed you have killed it, two more heads grow.

In 1945, most of us assumed that the Nazi/Fascist Axis had been destroyed.

Then, it was decided that the CCCP was the new enemy, and billions of dollars were spent and brushfire wars begun all over the world, to eliminate the "Red Menace".

The CCCP collapsed and it appeared that peace was upon us. The Military-Industrial-Congressional-Complex was suddenly aware of the difference between war machine profits and peaceful manufacturing profits, so yet another war had to be generated and propagandized.

What many did not realize was that the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America had been hijacked and slowly transformed by the wealthy Oligarchy referred to as the 0.01%.

The Oligarchy has used a small portion of its enormous wealth to purchase all three branches of the government, which now exists to protect the Oligarchy and its profits and extend its control of the world by military and economic means. This, in essence, was the Neocon's "Project for the New American Century".

In other words, they have created the Fourth Reich, having learned from the Third Reich's mistakes and profited by modern technology. It has been killing and expanding its bases around the world. It will probably take worldwide action to curb it, but meanwhile, the Fourth Reich is courting another nuclear war with Russia.

My hat is off to any people who can resist the takeover of their nation. If enough object, perhaps the Fourth Reich can be thrown on the dung heap of history and the world will enjoy another time of peace."
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FMJ

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Yeah arguments like FMJs are out of place. If we were to take the history of any country we could go round and round in circles forever.


Rubbish. The "history" AND current events of U.S. Foreign policy are completely applicable. If reality doesn't fit your "belief" system, then lala land is your "reality".

Smedley Butler on Interventionism
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

You keep saying "10 years" but quote and speak of history that goes back 100 years. So it just doesn't make sense that you choose only to make a point about the wars the USA spearheaded in the last 10 years. I am sure you realize Russia is not innocent either but it seems your taking an overwhelmingly anti American side for your own agenda. Even by spelling it "Amerika" people will just dismiss your points as ignorant and troll bait. Your response to DJ is probably the most Fox News worthy post I have seen in years.
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sieterayos

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
You keep saying "10 years" but quote and speak of history that goes back 100 years. So it just doesn't make sense that you choose only to make a point about the wars the USA spearheaded in the last 10 years. I am sure you realize Russia is not innocent either but it seems your taking an overwhelmingly anti American side for your own agenda. Even by spelling it "Amerika" people will just dismiss your points as ignorant and troll bait. Your response to DJ is probably the most Fox News worthy post I have seen in years.


Not everybody who objects to US (and other) militarism has studied it to the extent of yours truly, let alone in relation to the development of economy and forms of rule. In fact, though the consistent examination of such relationships is pretty much the preserve of Marxists, opposition to capitalism and its expressions has at no point in my life been so crude and uneducated. But are your own contributions here "out of place" here because, in your own words, you "look at this situation in very simple terms"?  

The contributions of Stwa, against which you raise not a murmur, are nothing but mindless provocations in a serious discussion.

What you object to or don't is telling of where you stand.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

I too, took 300+ years of Swedish - Russian relation into the present Ukraine context. Most Ukraine or Baltic state, Georgian or Finland would most likely do that too. Knowing the history is important to understand the present and making guesses or "predictions" about the future..

Oh, I forgot...
Does anyone really believe Putin isn’t looking at the US/West and its “foreign policy” history since 1945, and especially since early 1990th...?  And, does anyone really believe that his current actions is independent of history...?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

AT_Stalky wrote (View Post):
I too, took 300+ years of Swedish - Russian relation into the Ukraine context. Any Ukraine or Baltic state, Georgian or Finland would most definitely do the same as for what unfolds now. Knowing the historical context is important to understand the present, and making guesses or "predictions" about the future..

Oh, I forgot...
Does anyone really believe Putin isn’t looking at the US/West and its foreign policy history since 1945, and especially since early 1990th...?  And, that his current actions is independent of history...?


It often happens that the past persists as a ghost in new, changed situations. Here too.

While the history of the great Russian bear persists in the minds of those whose countries have endured its predations, today Russia is on the defensive against a coalition of far greater nominal strength, militarily, economically and politically. Putin knows it, everyone knows it. Yet this leader who dj insists is "shrewd" is purportedly planning an aggressive war of Russian expansion against a world that will crush Russia economically if it can't find the pretext to do so militarily. This is reality turned on its head.

Wake up from the past, this is a new situation. It does not demand support for Russian Federation but for turning our countries' planned war of aggression into revolutionary wars to overthrow capitalism.

Never has the slogan been more pertinent than in this age of mutually assured destruction.

Workers of all countries, unite!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

@ FMJ

Nice quote, I've heard of him. Snowden is the continuity of establishment people who still hold dear the Bill of Rights, the great triumph of capitalism in its progressive phase of development. Look how he is treated.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

I suppose you too remember the speech by Putin, (10? years ago?) where he expressed his fears about US/Nato, saying US/Nato was like a hungry wolf.. That’s how Putin sees it, from where he stands. Thus Putin feels cornered (or as you say, on the "defensive"), economically* and military… The cornered bear, does now as it has done in the past in similar situations… So, is it really new, isn’t it the same as we seen before..?

(*Though, I see that Russian economy has had many good years. World bank data)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

To sieterayos: many years ago I have read (and learnt as possible) about marxism as philosophy and economic doctrine: often it  was very technical (I was not at university, too young) and obliged me to read and to study other things to understand many of the concepts in a decent way. This premise means that I really don’t consider myself a marxist expert and I want to discuss to you a personal opinion that I have matured during that years: Marx has developed a real scientific doctrine about the capital and its mechanisms in all the economical contexts a nation can to reach/ to realize/to find itself in a specific situation/period. Even if “right area economists” continue to repeat that his ideas are dead, they seem to do this like an “exorcism”, because many of the very technical aspects of his economical analysis are completely true also today. The only thing that I don’t have found in his words, and it’s a key point, it’s the following: after the collapse of capitalism what we all will do? It can seem maybe a bit stupid to say in this way but for me it’s the point. I don’t have found nothing of really concrete about “the day after” (it can be my fault, even if old marxists I knew never given me a “solution”, just a generic useless reply.).
You say “democratic control of working class”. I ask you: how? With the elections of representatives? Elections every how many years? Who decide and how decide this kind of things? Constitutions will be written? If yes from who? Who decide what to produce? Who decide who can go to university and who must do “heavy jobs”? Who decide about the merit? Who assure me that who decide is not a populist elected by all only for his charisma like now? Who assure me that the elected will not became corrupted like now? What about the role of justice courts and their neutrality?  What about the free to think? What about the "state-violence" and its use? Etc. Etc. I can continue for hours but I think that my position and my question is clear. Finally, all these questions have a common factor: human brain desires, also the human brain of the “working class future leaders” will desire.
Social democracies (that unfortunately or are dying, or exist no more) were not perfect, they were far to be perfect, just, in my opinion, good enough considering the natural “aberration” of the human race. Anyway, I’m really curious about the mechanisms of the “day after capitalism”. Thanks for your attention.
Sorry to all for the off-topic.

About Ukraine: my opinion already expressed is not changed. I’m sorry only for all the democratic people in Ukraine (they are many, of course there aren’t only the right extremists) that have believed in this kind of “revolution”: in my opinion USA and EU have only used them. And, I repeat, I don’t like oligarchs (eastern and western), of course russian president included.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Yup,

We have had endless pages of socialist diatribe from the forum's Europeans, while they attempt to prove to themselves they are literate. It's all in the past, and not relevant to today's issues, and therefore off topic.

These people are the future of Ukraine and the Russian Federation and will make better use of their institutions. Arrow  


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

There is still hope for the West, a more powerful agenda that supersedes all the senseless class warfare and proletariat dogma being spewed by the Euro forumites that insist on living in the past. The West will bring to Ukraine and the world the confluence of Islam, homosexuality, and fast food.  Arrow


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On January 12, 2010, the court of appeals in Kiev opened hearings into the "fact of genocide-famine Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932–33", in May 2009 the Security Service of Ukraine had started a criminal case "in relation to the genocide in Ukraine in 1932–33". In a ruling on January 13, 2010 the court found Stalin and other Bolshevik leaders guilty of genocide against the Ukrainians. -wiki

Burger King to the rescue, allays genocide fear.  Idea  Arrow  


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