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Sapa

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:24 pm Post subject: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Adolf Hitler talking to the Finnish Commander Mannerheim (later President of Finland) back in 1942..
Really news at least for me!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Sounds credible.  And confirms what many suspected that the Russian-German alliance was a charade to buy time.  The comments USSR was "extorting" them...I assume that referred to Molotov demanding they split Poland and demand seizure of the Baltic states as part of their agreement.  Of course Russia still conveniently suffers from amnesia and pretends that never happened.  Or spin it around like USSR were saints and only the Germans were accountable.  Not a dollar in war reparations paid by USSR for the massacre of Poles or their own war crimes.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Sapa wrote (View Post):
Adolf Hitler talking to the Finnish Commander Mannerheim (later President of Finland) back in 1942..
Really news at least for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec


Usual cool-stories about General Winter and Zerg Tank rush. Unlikely Mannerheim believed. To 1941 SU had some like 23 000 tanks, most of them, likely, was exists only on the GABTU papers.

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Not a dollar in war reparations paid by USSR

Win first, to talk about reparations.

dj wrote (View Post):

for the massacre of Poles or their own war crimes.

Poles paid nothing too...they don`t want to pay even for their participation in Holocaust.
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southern_land

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

overall impression I got was Hitler saying "Doh my bad" and Mannerheim replying "Dude we're so baked!"
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Sapa

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:54 am Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

I was more thinking of that Mr Hitler talked with a calm voice and reallly confess that Russia was a big mistake [b]1942![/b]
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Pete

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:54 am Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Odd how he says "tanks" instead of "panzer" .


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Also, he basically states that the German weaponry of that era, that these days so often is heralded as superior, was in fact 'good weather' technology. It only functioned properly under good weather conditions  Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

Sapa wrote (View Post):
I was more thinking of that Mr Hitler talked with a calm voice and reallly confess that Russia was a big mistake 1942!


Exactly.  Red Army had formidable slopped armour t-34 tanks in massive numbers and their equipment was engineered to perform well in Cold weather conditions.   And endless manpower / reserves / manufacturing resources.  Arguably it was the failure to complete the siege of Leningrad and stabilize the Northern Front along with securing the Arctic ports that sealed the Germans fate.  Once huge amounts of materials arrived in ports from U.S. or Britain it was too late to stem the tide.

Another huge blunder was failing to understand the situation with Ukraine.  Instead of offering them a reasonable limited independence and treating as a real partner, they were largely treated as inferior people and they lost what could have been a key ally to stem the tide.
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DELETED

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: This is really interesting Reply with quote

As Hitler said. Because a war on two fronts - would have been impossible. Even the Eastern front alone. Admission the German military setup  for good weather Western Front. Not the freezing, poor weather they met in the East.

Reparations is always a sticky question. Of course the winners never pay. Look at Iraq.  The Poles never paid for their invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938. Something many people aren't even aware that it happened. It's hard to find one country that's not guilty of something in Europe and beyond post WW1.
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