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__Creeper__

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):

Having a good look at where police funding goes and measure how it makes a community safer would be a good start. Some police look very much militarized with their weapons, uniforms and armoured vehicles. Is it possible some of their budget can go to other areas of the community? Can't say no without having a look.


I don't see how a couple of fancy armored cars and a drone, if diverted, would make a huge difference in the number of social workers salaries you could pay. And then they don't have them if they need them.  In any event, I don't know where I stand on the militarized " look " of the police, I might be able to agree with you on that, but I don't place a huge value on it because it's just appearance and therefor psychological, and can we really require the police to be less well armed than some criminals and active shooters?  I'm still thinking about this one.

mooxe wrote (View Post):
I don't think defunding the police is very radical. Defund the police is catchy, but what they really want is to reduce police funding.


Depends on who you ask.

Watch @ 18:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZfg3SElvmQ

Then google " 9 city council members Minneapolis " and take your pick.

Shame on you MOOXE. Shame!.. Shame!.. Shame!.. Shame!.. Shame!.. Shame!

The mainstream media and some politicians use whats known as a motte and bailey tactic. They can actively support the reduction or full abolishment of the police, openly pandering to one group, while representing something else in the public eye, which is also their fall back position when challenged.

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This Video was brought to you by the incomplete success of cancel culture, which is a cute word for Tyranny or at least one of it's parts.  Free Speech should not be relegated to a few scribbles on a sheet of paper ( constitution ). Stand for it socially, or have your communist utopia. Just a side note.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:25 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

The idea is abolish the MPD and replace it with something they think will be better. Whats the problem?
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:28 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Yes even that story, the epicenter of the Defund the Police movement has been grossly misunderstood.  Minneapolis never said okay lets' cancel our Police and give to the Socialists instead or some other nut job chant.  They said what you just mentioned, reconstitute a new reformed Police organization.  Or like where I live, some smaller municipalities just sub-contract out Police work to the County Sheriff .

Bill Mahr just nailed it again last night attacking the Cancel Culture again.  Now activists are even tearing down Ulysses Grant statues because he use to own slaves.  The same man that stomped on the Confederates.  Mahr cited the sheer hypocrisy of "America" , the land that was named after Amerigo whom himself was slave trader and gifted his wife no less than 5 slaves in his Will.  So all of America including Latin America and Canada was named after a 16th century slave trader.  So what do we do now?  Cancel our names and tear down all of our statues?
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

And btw the man show in videos in Minneapolis smashed AutoZone windows out for now apparent reason with umbrella was finally ID'd.  As suspected he was in fact a White Supremacist agitator looking to stir up trouble and part of the famous Hells Angels biker gang.  Real swell guy he also harassed a local Muslim woman.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/28/mystery-umbrella-man-vandal-from-minnesota-police-say-hes-a-white-supremacist-instigator/#2789821448ee
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:27 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
I don't think defunding the police is very radical. Defund the police is catchy, but what they really want is to reduce police funding. Having a good look at where police funding goes and measure how it makes a community safer would be a good start. Some police look very much militarized with their weapons, uniforms and armoured vehicles. Is it possible some of their budget can go to other areas of the community? Can't say no without having a look.


What to do with terrorists, like in Mumbai 2008 attack? With modern gangsters equipped with military-grade weapons, like in North Hollywood 1997 robbery? With mass shooters with rifles, like in Las Vegas 2017 shooting? Police equipment definitely increased with increased threat level - like during great crimes of 30s police was forced to obtain tommy-guns (military weapons that times) and armored cars.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Its narrow minded to think the only way to fight crime is to have better armed police.

Look at the conditions set that lead to crime and address those issues.

In a broad sense Police are basically treating the symptoms of a nation's condition.
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__Creeper__

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Yes even that story, the epicenter of the Defund the Police movement has been grossly misunderstood.  Minneapolis never said okay lets' cancel our Police and give to the Socialists instead or some other nut job chant.  They said what you just mentioned, reconstitute a new reformed Police organization.  Or like where I live, some smaller municipalities just sub-contract out Police work to the County Sheriff .


Retreat! Fall Back to the Castle !

So now you're trying to equate full abolishment to your former definition of Defund. But I only hear you saying that, and this is not your movement (judging by the way you describe your area..)

The Mayor came out in support of Defund the Police and they wouldn't even look at his proposal, they shouted him down.

I think this is better than you and I trying to represent what those in these movements think, just a random sampling but it's a good conversation. If you don't have time, watch the second interview, and if you have even less time start to Watch @ 26:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITK_Bm78mI

As for your article yes of course a police officer, errr wait no! Now A white supremacist is suspected by the suspectors of having thrown the brick that sparked 80 days of Riots across several cities. That Bastard! pssst (I heard he was an avid Trump supporter too)  DAMN YOU TRUMP, DAMN YOU TO HELL!

Listen, it's Far more likely that your tabloid media is feeding you what you want to hear. And even on the extreme random off chance that this could have turned out to be true, let alone provable, that a white supremacist wanted to instigate by throwing a brick, There is over half a billion dollars in property damage across several cities at this point. How about letting the rioters have some agency at this point?  I'd like to point out also that these are mostly Democratically run cities in order to deter any attempts to tie this all to " Trumps American " but I know it's coming.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

US is not Switzerland with limited borders and achievable very strict immigration rules. Its a 300+ mil-sized magnet for all the world, so anyone cannot suppose, that society inclination to non-violence can be drastically increased or at least guaranteed at any given level.
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__Creeper__

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Its narrow minded to think the only way to fight crime is to have better armed police.

Look at the conditions set that lead to crime and address those issues.

In a broad sense Police are basically treating the symptoms of a nation's condition.


It matters less how well the police are armed than it does how many there are, but if you want to remove their AR15's and their armored cars this is only going to mean more police casualties in gun fights, its not going to save a lot of money, salaries are far more expensive than both guns and armored cars.

We can all look at the issues and conditions that lead to crime, and I'm not sure anybody has a real solution and it's good that we are talking, but it's easy for you to point the finger at us " Narrow minded People ", you'll have no blame placed on you when/if the patient it removed from life support, you'll just be some guy on the internet watching it burn from a distance.  Do you think the complete abolishment of police from one of the most crime ridden cities on earth will improve or worsen the problem?

And you're going to come back at me with abolishment doesn't mean abolishment, but then what would you put in the place of police that would be more effective for the same overall cost?  Robocop ? Drones ? Armed social workers ?  Unarmed social workers ?  Before you remove the police you better have the miracle on hand I think.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Edit: I shouldn't have said on Earth, I mean in the Country whoops.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

You come up with bizarre twisted distortions of words to suit some sort of strange narrative which makes no logical sense.  Since CNN is anti-Trump that somehow brainwashes people oppose him?  Not enough time in the day to explain why I do not support your pro-Trump agenda.  If someone posts story from source you don't like or facts you don't like, it becomes "tabloid".  Maybe you can find QAnon blogs for like-minded folks whom use selective pre-approved media sources that suit your Partisan agenda & accepts any and all YouTube videos of your choice.  At least before even YouTube censors them.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-wins-house-gop-runoff-georgia/story?id=72316326
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:34 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
You come up with bizarre twisted distortions of words to suit some sort of strange narrative which makes no logical sense.


What are you actually talking about and what do you have against context so I can know? Are you still trying to change the definition of De-fund or Abolish to suit your narrative, hmmm?  If so, what part of " We don't want no more police in our neighborhoods " didn't you understand?

dj wrote (View Post):
 Since CNN is anti-Trump that somehow brainwashes people oppose him?  Not enough time in the day to explain why I do not support your pro-Trump agenda.  If someone posts story from source you don't like or facts you don't like, it becomes "tabloid".  Maybe you can find QAnon blogs for like-minded folks whom use selective pre-approved media sources that suit your Partisan agenda & accepts any and all YouTube videos of your choice.  At least before even YouTube censors them.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-wins-house-gop-runoff-georgia/story?id=72316326  


First off, which of the Videos I posted from "Pre-approved media sources that suit my Partisan agenda do you have a problem with?  Are you referring to the ones that show real interactions between the Mayor and the Movement Or the one with real conversations with real people on the ground which lack CNN's clipped and framed approach?

Not enough time in the day you say? So I'll assume this is your number one reason Trump must move and make way for the Left?

There are no shortage of corrupt/crazy Congress people I'm sure and it's unfortunate that she got elected. I watched the video of her on youtube and she is hard on the conspiracy theories I get it.

I'd like to see the full press brief, but as is typical Youtube only provides the same little clip a thousand times off hand and I haven't got the gas for a deeper dig right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOORwluIG9M

I don't know Trumps real feelings on Marjorie Taylor Greene or how into conspiracy theories he is. Do you think he's watched ancient aliens? you know, the one with the crazy hair guy  ( therefor aliens ),

As President I don't know how up to date he's expected to be of the past tweets or bizzare hobbies of congressional candidates and what he's expected to do about it. But I've got a bunch of friends on facebook who wish me a happy birthday on new years each year, even though I keep telling them it's not my birthday, and facebook has me down as being over 100 years old so, I think Trump followed "standard political etiquette" here and when your dodging Gotchya! bullets all day long, you're bound to get got once in a while. What would you have him do anyway he didn't elect her.  It sounds like your problem is with Marjorie Taylor Green and the Voters of Georgia. OR  she's their problem, however you want to look at it. But it all comes back to Trump no matter what.


From your article

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Congratulations to future Republican Star Marjorie Taylor Greene on a big Congressional primary win in Georgia against a very tough and smart opponent. Marjorie is strong on everything and never gives up - a real WINNER!
""""
""against a very tough and smart opponent"" should be overlooked of course since narrative comes before all else.

Aside from this, it looks pretty standard cut and paste stuff. Is a President typically expected to get involved in congressional campaigns at a deeper level than this? I am actually asking. if President Trump had instead said " she shouldn't be elected to congress, she's a loon" would that be unusual, or normal, or wise for him, feed the trolls ?

Look, I've seen the effects of the Wacky left, CNN and their likes on the real world, ( Covid fear for sale, get your Covid fear! ) and their leveraging of racial tensions for political purposes. If CNN is secretly in support of Trump by employing reverse psychology to get him Elected, I'll be the first person to say " Vote him OUT " but at that point it's lose lose anyway. The congressional election of Marjorie Taylor Green does not look good on it's own, but who gives a fuck, it's pretty minor in comparison to Bidens Masks mandatory outside at all times for every American for the next 3 months minimum, tell me that isn't being used as a political football for create division and have us fighting.  And get this, I seen it on Joe Rogan like an hour ago, when I tried to find it on Youtube, all of the clips from all of the sources were clipped AFTER he had stated that, so let me know if you can find it on youtube.

Anyway man, I don't want us to be so negative, just look at it this way. What I think doesn't matter. Your Country, Your Vote. I have a feeling it doesn't matter who wins the election.  Part of me thinks the Left needs to win, so they can be put in the position of needing to come through with all of their insane policy promises or betray their supporters. Part of me thinks Trump needs to win because he draws the radical Left, it's Media, and agendas out into the light. But then again I actually think this might be what the LeftStream Media wants, because they thrive on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:40 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9XzuUXj6Gc

Everyone here should check out this Joe Rogan Podcast with Tim Dillion, they are basically discussing all the same things we are here on this thread right now and it's GOLD, best one I've seen in a while, Tim Dillon is hilarious. Then check out the top comment after your done.

1:57:38 for the Biden Speech.

Tim Dillon explains Qanon somewhere in there too.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Entertainment...

http://pmd.cdn.turner.com/cnn/big/business/2020/08/18/mike-lindell-mypillow-ceo-coronavirus-cooper-intv-full-nr-vpx.cnn_ios_5500.mp4
 
22 minutes of pure entertainment.

Why was Mark Lindell even on?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:24 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

The evangelical faith healer looks so bizarre in 2020.  " Trump Enthusiast " This is almost certainly why CNN had him on, I know he ain't the only guy on the internet trying to sell the " cure for Covid ".

Woot ! Fresh shipment of MyPillows just in from the factory in Wuhan, my neck feels much better now !  ( queue ominous Simpsons outro )
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:36 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

On second thought.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511

From welding your doors shut to this.  I'd take the whole article with a grain of salt though given the subject matter, but whatever. Must be nice when your non freedom is more free than my real freedom. Can't go to the bar, let alone a music festival. The Trews were supposed to play one in their old home town of Antigonish NS this summer. So much for that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:19 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlUVxVLiLU
Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlP3H4Cr9vk

Good people will surely overcome evil ones. Will bring to knees and kill brutally.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

What is the Second Video about ?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:17 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Looks like a bus load of antifa state line crossing protestors was finally intercepted!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

__Creeper__ wrote (View Post):
What is the Second Video about ?

In Ukraine local elections coming. Government uses nationalists thugs against several opposition parties, claiming them as pro-russian. To be honest, some opposition parties created their own thugs 'for protection'. In video is one of the recent clashes, when nationalists 'Azov' movement intercepted en route one of opposition motorcade. BTW, Ukrainian government last month banned completely local elections in eastern regions, by reason of 'military threat', effectively depraved civilian rights of half-million possible mostly pro-opposition voters. Just an episode from democratic Ukraine, liberated from totalitarian Russia.
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