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ScnelleMeyer

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:29 pm Post subject: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 days! Reply with quote

While researching for the Stalingrad mod on LSA I came across this document:

German 76 Infantry division with its attached units, claims 163 Soviet tanks destroyed in 12 days of fighting in Stalingrad area.
Pretty incredible numbers, but this is an official report from the Divisional command post by the chief of staff of the division.



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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 d Reply with quote

Reports like that are very interesting. In Canada our government has made all unit War Diaries available for reading. These diaries will show what the unit did on any particular day. In fact they are still done to this day even in peace time. Gaining access to them is pretty tricky though, having to go through the government to permission, navigating broken gov webpages etc etc... I believe most any type of report from WW1/2/Korea may be available if its been declassified. Not everything is digitized though so for some access you need to actually visit the archives in person.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 d Reply with quote

76 id had valuable attachments, as die 245. Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung  which STUGIII likely got nearly all of these scores. BTW, 'Mark II' from report - its British Valentine tanks, supplied to USSR via lend-lease.
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ScnelleMeyer

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 d Reply with quote

Another interesting unit here is the the Panzerjäger abteilung 521 - They report 38 enemy tanks destroyed in the period.
They had some very unique and heavily gunned vehicles in their 4.company : namely the 12.8cm Selbstfahrlafette IV and 1 x 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa
This is their unit structure (Might have been losses to these numbers by the time they were at Stalingrad though).

1. Coy : 9 x Marder II
2. Coy : 9 x Marder II
3. Coy : 9 x Pzjäger-I
4. Coy : 2 x 12.8cm Selbstfahrlafette IV + 1 x 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:40 am Post subject: Re: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 d Reply with quote

Quote:
2 x 12.8cm Selbstfahrlafette IV

http://tankmuseum.ru/german-assault-gun-128/
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Sequoia

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: German division claims 163 enemy tanks destroyed in 12 d Reply with quote

Hello

By order dated 15th May 1942 the 10.5 cm K (gp.Sfl.) returning from majors repair at Krupp-Grusonwerk and the two 12.8 cm K.40 (Sfl) were assigned to Panzerjäger-Abteilung (Pz.Sfl) 521.

The 10.5 cm K (gp.Sfl.) nicknamed "Brümbar"  wasn't listed as operational in strengh reports in November and early December 1942.
The 12.8 cm K.40 (Sfl) nicknamed "Moritz" and "Max" were reporteds as operational in November 2nd and 12th. One was reportd as operartional with Pamzerjäger-Verband von Langenthal in December 1st and 2nd.

In experience reports 10.5 cm K (gp.Sfl.) was named as Schwere Jaeger (10 cm Sfl.).

Source: Panzer Tracts 7-2 and 7-3, Jentz & Doyle

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