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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Right now is known, that ship 'Moskva' catches fire at sea. On towing to Crimea.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Sunk.

https://ria.ru/20220414/kreyser-1783626130.html


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Details on the sunken Russian cruiser Moskva.


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pvt_Grunt

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:00 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Wow. Largest ship sunk in battle since WW2.

Russian propaganda is faced with a difficult choice...either it was a Ukrainian Neptune missile or their own incompetence as a navy.????????????
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:14 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Paratmar had a mathematical formula to de-code Russian state media lies.  So first the ship at harbor was allegedly sunk by Ukraine, then it appears to be accident.  Now another one at sea, Russia flip flops and said it was NOT Ukraine.  They had 2 accidents back to back then?  

What Nazi's are serving in the Ukrainian government?  Technical the Nazi's ended in 1945.  The correct term is suppose to be Neo-Nazi's.  Does Russia have Neo-Nazi's also?
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:23 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Paratmar had a mathematical formula to de-code Russian state media lies.  So first the ship at harbor was allegedly sunk by Ukraine, then it appears to be accident.  Now another one at sea, Russia flip flops and said it was NOT Ukraine.  They had 2 accidents back to back then?  

What Nazi's are serving in the Ukrainian government?  Technical the Nazi's ended in 1945.  The correct term is suppose to be Neo-Nazi's.  Does Russia have Neo-Nazi's also?

Paratmar have a mathematical formula to de-code ALL state media lies.  Dont push on Me))))
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:13 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

The most current version about 'Moskva' is an Ukrainian airstrike, Falkland War-style surprise attack using Zmeyiny island profile. No info about human losses.

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Does Russia have Neo-Nazi's also?

Their remains now dying in Ukraine, with their 'brothers'
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
The most current version about 'Moskva' is an Ukrainian airstrike, Falkland War-style surprise attack using Zmeyiny island profile. No info about human losses.

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Their remains now dying in Ukraine, with their 'brothers'


Nothing official about losses.

There was some information that the ship sent an SOS signal and survivors were picked up by the Turks. Less than 100.

Its reasonable to suspect it was not an accident, there was casualties and the Russians did not evacuate all 510 personnel to nearby ships.


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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There was some information that the ship sent an SOS signal and survivors were picked up by the Turks. Less than 100.

Its reasonable to suspect it was not an accident, there was casualties and the Russians did not evacuate all 510 personnel to nearby ships.

Right now there is no official, nor trustable information. And crew staff was 758, but on peace time, in war time may be more.

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Cannot comment someone`s who mentally ill . Generally, Zelensky signed an order of attack Russia and Belarus main territories, and such attacks was already performed. That just show how dumb was a decision to withdrew from around Kyiv. And Boris Johnson made a visit to Kyiv, on train from Poland. Yes, war, but still trains coming from West, with NATO weapons too. And gas pipe still works too. Brave new world have brave new wars. Seems like better do not try to discuss them with logic and military strategy.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

So the Russian state media account of Moskva not being hit by missles...means that it was.  My calculations are different that Paratmars.  When Russian state says something it usually means the opposite.  Proven by simple fact that now Russian govt taking credit for retaliatory strike on the Neptune missile factory yesterday.  

Also I found the Neo-Nazi's, they are not in Ukraine.  Rather Russian state is funded them via project "Partizan", training them and amplifying support on Social Media.  Also the Trump cult has large contingent of them which is why he never denounces them, ignoring advice of General Kelly.   And Marjorie "Qanon" Greene spoke at white nationalist (aka Neo-Nazi) rally recently where they loudly chanted "Putin, Putin, Putin!"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/18273204/russia-launches-airstrikes-on-factory-that-makes-missiles/
 
https://www.dw.com/en/why-are-german-neo-nazis-training-in-russia/a-53702613
 
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis4
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

DJ's Government Liar de-coder formula:

North Korea = 99% lies
Russia = 95% lies
China = 90% lies
Trump Cult = 90% lies
U.S.A. Government = 25% lies
European Union = 20% lies

Another source I like is fact check website which is non-partisan source of "normal people" that just want facts.  Unfortunately this is just for USA no international source like this I'm aware of.  Wikipedia is pretty good though.
https://www.factcheck.org
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis4  

The whole article looks familiar with typical propaganda 'analytics'. They write nearly entirely on 10+ years old events, which are, exactly, history.  After 2014 Russian state fully understand danger of neo-nazis. Survided only that who quickly departed to Donbass and take part in pro-russian movements, abandoning any nazi ideology. Those, who fled to Ukraine, was used as cannon fodder by their ukrainian 'brothers' and most are dead already; those, who remain in Russia, was jailed. And don`t forget some once very prominent nationalist: https://germanych.livejournal.com/256821.html
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:28 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://topwar.ru/195090-v-seti-pojavilis-foto-predpolozhitelno-s-krejserom-moskva-vo-vremja-pozhara.html
 
Claimed as photos from Turkish ship, participated in saving crew.
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Berger

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:45 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Turkey launched days ago Operation Claw Lock in Irak. I'm waiting for US sanctions, Josep Borrell's statement against the invasion and a boycott against Turkish soap operas actors who don't condemn aggresion.

Main point is not whataboutism, it's whynotism. Why can't Russia do what the West has been doing for decades?

Meanwhile... Selfies in a minefield with predictable end
https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1516541541132775431
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Whynotism is literally the point whataboutism tries to make.


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paratmar

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:50 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Whynotism is literally the point whataboutism tries to make.

And  "Operation Desert Storm", in modern variant -"Operation Ukranian Storm"is literally the point Russians tries to make. Nothing to personal- simply bisness)))
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pvt_Grunt

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:40 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

paratmar wrote (View Post):
mooxe wrote (View Post):
Whynotism is literally the point whataboutism tries to make.

And  "Operation Desert Storm", in modern variant -"Operation Ukranian Storm"is literally the point Russians tries to make. Nothing to personal- simply bisness)))


Operation Desert Storm was the 1991 response to the invasion of Kuwait by the aggressor Iraq. You are trying to justify an invasion of Ukraine by pointing out a retaliation to an invasion Rolling Eyes
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Berger

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Just like annexation of Crimea, uprising in Donbass and russian invasion are the response to Maidan coup that overthrow president Yanukovych.
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Sapa

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Anyone noticed that "Sauron" has problems using his left arm? He was on a visit to Finland Rolling Eyes  years ago and after "the Sauna" he fell and hurt his arm. I think if he tries for the third time the right arm will be damaged to Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Regars Mats
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