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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

JFF, here is the  BBC report with a video showing the missile impact taken from a nearby camera.

It is slowed down and you can see the shape of the missile.

BBC clearly demonstrates using an overhead map where the camera was and where the missile hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM2YTH8Puts


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oBZR8eySqQ
At 1:01 already smoke plums and people run from pond. Then at 1:10 closer explosion, likely a trade center hit. So the target was the factory nearly, hit by first missile, and second missile was an undershoot
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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Today Sweden and Finland have been formally invited to join NATO.

Details of agreement with Turkey are undisclosed, and human rights activists already in panic, that Sweden and Finland will release to Turkey over 70 political refugees. Also, peoples of that countries are well aware, that US will replace oil and energy supplies from Russia, millions euros worth border trade with Russia, wood and nickel concessions in Russia and so on. You know, US is close neighbor to Scandinavia...though via North pole. Then the duties to participate in US-led wars, like Poland lost 44 in Afghanistan and 30 in Iraq, not to count PMC losses. And for all of that nations mindfully vote on referendums...what? Its only bloody Putin makes referendums nowtimes, democratic nations act just by the signatures of current governments...carefully grown and prepared by legion of US NGOs. Good luck, in case of real troubles their western 'defendors' will trade them to Russia for a price of potato bag, like in 1939.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oBZR8eySqQ
At 1:01 already smoke plums and people run from pond. Then at 1:10 closer explosion, likely a trade center hit. So the target was the factory nearly, hit by first missile, and second missile was an undershoot


Undershoot or not, a Russian mission struck a shopping centre killing innocent people and Russia's first reaction was denial with an army of people spreading lies.

Status quo.


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://www.txtreport.com/news/2022-06-28-satellite-images-show-the-consequences-of-the-russian-missile-attack-on-kremenchuk.HkYrrpO9q.html
 
So the crater is off the trade center, on rails adjacent to factory.

https://hromadske.ua/ru/posts/vo-vremya-obstrela-v-kremenchuge-okkupanty-popali-eshe-i-v-zavod-kredmash  

Video from the factory striken. Concrete building demolished, huge crater. Just like i said, in case of direct hit trade center will be of zero remains.

In social networks people said that there was not 1000 people inside, most of trade center was closed, only a grocery works, with max 200 visitors holding capacity

Usual exaggerations in news, nothing new. The magic thousand victims was with Mariupol theatre. After two months nobody can name a dozen. Of course, its already old news.  The new atrocities must come on strict schedule...
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

You're missing the point. All those details are not part of the issue. The video shows the hit. Wine bottles, stores closed, crater or not... You fell for it. You fell for all the noise. "In social networks people said that"

A Russian missile hit a civilian building and killed civilians.


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Yeah, the point in the news: Russian deliberately strike a trade center with 1000 people inside and destroyed it.
The point in the fact: during attack to nearby factory one of missiles detonate close to half-close trade center, which later burnt in fire. Some people ignored the aerial attack warning and was hit.

Ukrainian artillery daily strike civilian objects in Dinetsk, but that people are made of glass, i.e. invisible for media. Media generally live in 2D world, and most people glad to become 2D too.



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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://esp.md/ru/sobytiya/2022/07/01/nochyu-obstrelyali-sergeevku-v-odesskoy-oblasti-est-zhertvy
 
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

In retaliation Ukraine made a strike on Belgorod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C0okpTXWZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DTMl7J-tY0
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

And then retaliation over retaliation: https://youtu.be/52vYLqpWknE
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jakebullet70

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Banks are closed, 98% of the restaurants are closed, youth is gone. City is full of old people, Meds 4 to 8* times the normal price. Food, 2 to 3* the normal price. Last night 1000's of pentioniers lined up at 2AM to apply for the replacement RU pensions, greeted by GUN FIRE (In the air) telling these elderly people the where breaking curfew, GO HOME! WOW!!!  They have NO money for food!!!  Shelling outside the city daily. AND...  RU TV said, Hey! your price for GAS and Electricity will be cheaper! Its a FUCKING shit show.
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jakebullet70

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Oh...  Pigeons are gone, cats are next. NO SHIT.
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jakebullet70

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Oh...  Pigeons are gone, cats are next. NO SHIT.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

As predicted, after Russian Navy abandoning Snake island, Ukraine moved freed NATO-supplied long-range artillery to east and destroyed 4 or 5 ammo depots of Russian forces near Donetsk, including brisant explosives factory. How the artillery pieces reached east from west? Well, there was eleven useful bridges over Dnipro river in Ukraine. How much was destroyed from start of the war - zero. Someone should gift to Russian command a book about strategy, even WWI-era books will be OK.

Meanwhile another western mercenary reached her final day in the Ukraine: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10987073/Brazilian-model-turned-sniper-died-Ukraine-bunker-caught-fire.html  . The source is rubbish, so may be changes will follow.
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:20 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Close combat, top view. English subtitles are not and are not needed, the comments are too pretentious). Text under the video "The video shows the work of the firing platoon of the mortar battery (2 120-mm mortars) and motorized riflemen of the battalion during the destruction of Ukrainians retreating from the territory of the LPR on July 3, 2022." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS_j4Gfewyg&ab_channel=%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:08 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

jakebullet70 wrote (View Post):
For me... Last night was a normal Z-RUN, What I see as 1 or 2 AFV with the big 'Z' running through the city. Sometimes shooting shit. 30mm is SO much different them 12.7MG... Happens 3 or 4 times week (the shooting part.) (the running through the city happens every night) You all read the news, I see a VERY small part of it everyday.... I just open the window. My family is getting fucked.


Jake are you in Donbas are whereabouts are you or your family?

Re: price increases...it's a joke here in USA too but for different reasons.  First they blame rise in fuel costs on the war and prices gone up exponentially more than global market rates.  Now vendors of every type all jumping on the let's raise all prices due to "inflation" bandwagon go price gouge everyone globally.  It's crony capitalism for the poor / middle classes and socialism for the rich.  If inflation is truly so problematic, why are multination corporations making record profits?  They are liars and pocketing the money allegedly needed to cover supply chain inflationary costs.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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First they blame rise in fuel costs on the war and prices gone up exponentially more than global market rates.

Trouble is not oil prices itself, US is one of the biggest oil producers. Trouble is that most oil cracking facilities was built for heavy oil, from Texas, then from Venezuela and Gulf of Mexico. But Venezuela oil was banned, and Gulf production seriously hurt by BPs 2010 disaster. To replace that oil US start purchasing more and more suitable oil from Russia. And now this source is banned too, and US faced with relatively long process of oil cracking facilities rebuilding for other oil sorts, or to give up to Maduro, what seems like not an option, at least on Maduro's terms. But Biden administration, instead of declaring facts and immediate closure of cracking facilities for rebuild, tried filling the gap by federal oil reserves and blame Putin for all the consequences. When the reserves will be depleted, there will be real troubles, like in 1973 oil crisis, when case is not price of fuel, but fuel existence at all.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

These are lies from the Oil Industry.  Demand is very low as prices for fuel is all-time high combined with exponential growth in electric vehicles.  There is plenty of supply.  Russia supplied a minuscule amount of world oil supply and yes USA also has it own large inventory and we export to other nations.  The real reason is it's a scam.  The oil companies already have plenty of land / ocean sites to drilll but why?  Why would oil industry want to flood the market with more inventory with record profits.  Instead what they are doing with windfall profits is doing stock buy-backs to boost dividend earnings for shareholders (and executives).  Because they can.
Like Russia invaded Ukraine because they can and nobody could stop them.  Oil industry scams and price-gouges as much as they want and blame the "global market" or inflation because they can, nobody can stop either.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

which is why Oil industry loves Putin and vice-versa...Rex said doesn't care about sanctions.  Which is why Putin asked Trump to make Rex Secretary of State.  Even though Rex and Trump didn't get along (called Trump a f****g moron).  But like Jake said it's not just Oil industry price gouging right now blaming pandemic, supply chain and latest excuse is the war.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rex-tillerson-vladimir-putin-russia-exxon-2016-12?op=1#putin-shakes-hands-with-toasts-with-tillerson-after-their-meeting-in-the-novo-ogaryovo-residence-outside-moscow-monday-april-16-2012-3
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Berger

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

War in Ukraine: Luhansk has fallen - what's to expect?

Colonel Markus Reisner (Austrian Army) gives an update on the situation in Eastern Ukraine. And he describes what might come next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbLuAPobao
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