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#1: Those damn Mortars! Author: Ivan_Zaitzev,

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:11 pm
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Today at another forum that I am member of, someone shared this article called Counter Mortar Operational Research in 21 Army Group. It's an interesting read to learn a little more about those "overpowered" guns.

http://www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/back%20issues/CMH/volume%203/issue%202/Copp%20-%20Counter%20Mortar%20Operational%20Research%20in%2021%20Army%20Group.pdf

Also, the main site where that article is hosted has a lot of interesting stuff about the Canadian Army in WWII and in general: http://www.canadianmilitaryhistory.ca/archived-articles/

#2: Re: Those damn Mortars! Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:54 pm
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Very interesting reading Ivan,

70% of casualties attributed to Mortars or Nebelwurfers.

Now that is suppression fire Shocked

#3: Re: Those damn Mortars! Author: Dima,

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:09 am
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Yes, and most of Sherman casualties were by 88 fire (c) allied tankers.

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Very interesting reading Ivan,

with many factological mistakes,

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70% of casualties attributed to Mortars or Nebelwurfers.

and that's a false.

#4: Re: Those damn Mortars! Author: Ivan_Zaitzev,

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:03 pm
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Well, maybe you could provide the correction to those factological mistakes, quoting sources of course.

#5: Re: Those damn Mortars! Author: Dima,

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:31 pm
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Ivan_Zaitzev wrote (View Post):

Well, maybe you could provide the correction to those factological mistakes, quoting sources of course.

i'd of course if Mr.Copp quotes a source where he took his numbers of mortars per the German ID in Normandy from or a regiment of NbW per division or 70% casualties caused by the german mortars and NbW.

or how a wound caused by a splinter of exploded 75mm shell is different to a wound caused by a splinter of exploded 81mm bomb? or hand grenade vs 81mm bomb, etc.

#6: Re: Those damn Mortars! Author: Dima,

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:40 am
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Anyway the M.M.Swann work which T.Copp quotes in his article states that at least 30% of casualties were inflicted by small arms and other by all types of high explosive ordnance with no breakdown by types.
Does it look the same as 70% of casualties were inflicted by mortars and nbw?

And yes, in all the CC releases and most of mods the mortars are overpowered as until airburst bombs came in use it was needed many tens to hundreds of mortar bombs to knock out ATG for example. The main advantage of mortar is that it was a cheap weapon and could be used in mass even on lower command level but it could never substitute real artillery in terms of accuracy and firepower.

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