Dima wrote (View Post): | ||||
sorry to say but you are all wrong. First of all, the RA soldiers on the Eastern border of Ukraine don't wear masks although such masks are included in the uniform set as it could be pretty cold this time of year. Btw, the US army has neck gaiters in their uniform sets as well that could be used as same type of mask. Second, the guys on the photos I posted are definetly not the Russian servicemen as they have different uniform, equipment and armament. They are most likely former servicemen of the Ukranian riot-police units (Berkut) that were loyal to the regime by the end and because of that were disbanded with one of the first legal act of the provisional goverment (along with cancelling the Russian language as beeing the official regional language in Ukraine). The RF offered them the Russian citizenship and support if they will defend Crimea and quite a number of them fled to Crimea to be a backbone of the Crimean self-defence units. Btw they were the ones who were shooting in the air when the Ukranian army unarmed column was trying to get into that airfield. And yes, they really hate all these west Ukranian rebels after standing 2 month under molotov cocktails and sniper fire in the end. |
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The tumult we’re seeing in Ukraine isn’t simply a recent tension over Crimea. Its roots go back to the defining event of Ukraine’s modern history: the Holodomor or "hunger-extermination" of the 1930s, in which as many as eight million people died.
Ukraine in 1932 was a satellite of the Soviet Union that had long been struggling to find its place as an independent republic in the USSR. In that year and the one following, Joseph Stalin closed the borders and seized almost all the harvest, leaving little for Ukrainians themselves. After the Holodomor that left so many millions dead, opposition to Moscow was crushed. But the push-back against the Soviets flared a number of times over the following decades: in 1954, 1972, 1988, in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and again in 2004 with the Orange Revolution against a corrupt and eastward-looking government. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Dima are you arguing that Russian troops were not deployed into Crimea? Or just that not all the troops we see in the pictures are Russian? |
mooxe wrote (View Post): | ||
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-tension-has-roots-in-hunger-extermination-of-1930s-1.2578837
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dj wrote (View Post): |
Yes maybe half of the soldiers in U.S. army squad in the snow deployed in Alaska or some other arctic region wear ski masks. But never 100% of the soldiers shown in every single photo or video clip wears ski mask. Unless it is action vs Mafia, Cartels or illegal special forces activity. Crimea is not exactly known to be cold weather region. |
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I don't think so. These are highly trained special forces under instructions to wear ski masks to hide their identity and wearing unmarked uniforms. Militias wear Adidas and street clothes with AK-47's. These guys are heavily armed and well organized. Plus there are "militias" positioned on border with Crimea to interfere with Ukrainians. |
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The deposed leader of Ukraine was a puppet leader. That is why the people rebelled. It could happen to Putin himself if he is not careful or to other nations. America is too much of Police State for that to happen here. The Police in America is like Military already and will storm into your home and shoot your dogs if even you are a suspect. I think what happened in the Ukraine could be the beginning of Arab Spring style uprisings in Europe & former USSR nations. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Ok, since mobilisation was announced in Ukraine, they lost 4 MBT and 1 Bomber trying to run the equipment that wasn't in use or duly serviced for many years. |
sieterayos wrote (View Post): |
If this is how their MPs behave, you can imagine what their grunts are doing. US's and EU's pals at work in democratic Ukraine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nnmbR-MWFA |
Drizzt wrote (View Post): |
to Devastator: we are a parliamentary republic, not a presidential republic: this fact means that governments can fall in parliament (never in streets) and immediately new governments can born in parliament (if a majority of parties can’t find this new government, of course we return immediately to vote). Normally we should vote every five years (sometime, if not often, before 5 years as I have explained).
The clown Berlusconi is now officially a criminal (officially because finally certificated by an italian sentence): the only reason of his power for so many years has been the sloth, the “undercover accommodation”, the mediocrity and the cowardice of the traditional left party leaders. The crisis is also here: our small and average industries suffer a lot (they are the backbone and the prestige of our economy). We don’t have and we don’t want to have many big multinationals (of course we have some of them, but only few): euro rulers want to force us to become “more similar” to USA and/or German economy but, in my opinion, they will destroy us in this way (the only good thing are some ethical rules that I hope we will import, but that’s all). Speaking more in general, after the end of the real socialism, the desertification of the middle class and the foolish accumulation of wealth in very small hands it’s a common problem in all western democracies: the ruling classes of all states don’t have fear of nothing now, so they try to re-take all (and they have the media to support their lies): conditions of work like in 1800 it’s their final goal for masses (or something like a technological middle ages). Democracies all risks to die (I mean to die as democracies) in this neo-liberalism system. A good kind of European Union should be the tool to avoid this fate, for now it's exactly the opposite. (sorry to all for the off- topic). Drizzt |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
it doesn't matter as the bad guy is still and will always be the RF . even if I say that armed masked persons patroll Kiev and if you are stopped and not speaking the Ukranian they can seize your car or treat as Moscal (like in this video) that would only be the Russian propaganda . |
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