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#201: Re: The Ukraine Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:17 pm
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To sieterayos: Yes, I understand the danger inside some of my words (I agree with you about born of fascism - middle class etc.). The reborn of fascism (in all Europe) it’s a real danger in this crisis. There is nothing of regressive in what I have tried to explain because we are now in this way (we don’t want become in this way to react to this crisis, we are in this way already). The enemy of the "middle class" in 1920 were workers and socialism ideas, now, in my opinion, it’s clear to almost all that it’s the ruling class the problem (small businnessmen suffer because working class suffer: there is few money to buy goods/services).
Socialist ideas heritages are anyway for sure deep in many small businessmen (because almost all come from working class): I know about small businessmen died suicidal because they can’t pay anymore their workers. Many of them are like workers in all, and they earn not so much more then their workers. Moreover, the cooperative system of production it’s another piece of this puzzle (I mean the real cooperative system of production, there is also a false one that have lost its roots).
Having said this, there are of course also many small businessmen really egoist. Anyway, who attacks constantly the working class (and ignore the small businessmen) it’s the ruling class (of “left”, of right and economical).

Drizzt

#202: Re: The Ukraine Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:06 pm
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Yes what is constantly indoctrinated into the masses that there are 3 types of government Communism , Socialism and Capitalism is no longer valid. China for instance is nowhere near a true Communist state...it is very much a hybrid. It's all a bunch of lies. American media has told us for decades that Communism is the evil empire and dangerous...yet we have witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth the world has ever seen, sending many millions of American jobs to China using slave labor prison style conditions. Moreover virtually every consumer item sold in America is stamped "made in China". If Commmunism was truly so dangerous then why did America terminate millions of jobs and replace them in Commie China? And subsequently sent trillions of $ USD worth of revenues to China at the expense of the middle class? It's all lies fed to the masses so the ruling class elitists can brainwash the people and control them via the modern day Police State.

The collapse of Ukraine is not going to have the ripple effect of what happened in Iceland with their banking system going belly up...but I think the political impact on both Russia and the E.U. is going to be significant to say the least. I wonder if the Krauts will take action like the old days...they seem to call the shots in the EU right now. Russia makes some serious cash from the Krauts importing their energy resources...so it will be interesting to see if they want to risk that relationship.

#203: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:32 pm
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So, did we sort out which thugs were in the costumes. Question

Another genocide in Ukraine would be unacceptable.

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#204: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:50 am
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OMG Exclamation

#205: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:12 pm
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American media has told us for decades that Communism is the evil empire and dangerous...yet we have witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth the world has ever seen, sending many millions of American jobs to China using slave labor prison style conditions. -dj

You must live East of the Mississippi.

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#206: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:29 pm
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That the West is interested only in human rights, freedom and international law, is taken as a given. -sieterayov

And this would be the reason why

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#207: Re: The Ukraine Author: Dima,

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:39 pm
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Stwa wrote (View Post):

That the West is interested only in human rights, freedom and international law, is taken as a given. -sieterayov
And this would be the reason why

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yeah, that's a known funny video - peaceofshit.rf Wink

#208: Re: The Ukraine Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:27 am
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Now it is rumoured that there could be tensions or fighting between ethnic Ukrainians and Russian-speaking Putin loyalists in Ukraine. Putin will have a lot of problems with control of ethnic Ukrainians if he takes any more lands in Ukraine. Although I think RF will try one last small land grab to connect Crimea. Otherwise Putin risks real sanctions or trade deals especially with the Germans.

#209: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:24 am
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Are these the guys on page 13. Question

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#210: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:28 am
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Ski masks. Exclamation

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#211: Re: The Ukraine Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:51 am
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Dima wrote (View Post):

Now the Russian Special Forces are officially there - see the difference?

What's Chris Kyle doing in the Crimea? Question

#212: Re: The Ukraine Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:33 am
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And Eric Bana Smile

#213: Re: The Ukraine Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:36 pm
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Here we go again....

#214: Re: The Ukraine Author: sieterayos,

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:16 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Here we go again....

It never stopped. Provocations against RF have been constant and will not end until the US gets the war it wants.

Interesting news, Seymour Hirsh has revealed that Turkey was behind the sarin gas attacks in Syria looking to supply the US a pretext for regime change war it needed.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

The snipers that killed so many Kiev demonstrators were in all probability employed by the protest leaders, again to provide a pretext for their putsch.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573923/Estonian-Foreign-Ministry-confirms-authenticity-leaked-phone-call-discussing-Kiev-snipers-shot-protesters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-kiev-snipers-reportedly-hired-by-opposition-leaders-not-yanukovich-according-to-bugged-call-9171328.html

Here's a link to Per Anders Rudling's study of the forces spearheading the US backed putsch

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Right_The_Case

Anyone wonder why the US and Israel are backing Neo-Nazis and calling them democrats? No probs, the EU are too-

8. Is concerned about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine, expressed in support for the Svoboda Party, which, as a result, is one of the two new parties to enter the Verkhovna Rada; recalls that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles and therefore appeals to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with this party;

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2012-0507+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

When is a neo-Nazi a democrat? When the US and EU want a pretext for regime change and war.

#215: Re: The Ukraine Author: sieterayos,

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:27 am
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“There is a script being written in the Russian Federation, for which there is only one purpose: the dismemberment and destruction of Ukraine and the transformation of Ukraine into the territory of slavery under the dictates of Russia.”

-Arseniy Yatsenyuk

As the figurehead of the US/EU backed putsch, "Yats" would know all about following scripts. Standing reality on its feet again, we have- “There is a script being written in the White House, for which there is only one purpose: the dismemberment and destruction of the Russian Federation and the transformation of Ukraine into the territory of slavery under the dictates of the US, EU and their proxies.”

#216: Re: The Ukraine Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:36 am
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They say here that Kiev hired 150 PMCs from Greystone (ex-Blackwater) and sent them to the East Ukraine to help dealing with separatists.

#217: Re: The Ukraine Author: sieterayos,

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:34 am
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Dima wrote (View Post):

They say here that Kiev hired 150 PMCs from Greystone (ex-Blackwater) and sent them to the East Ukraine to help dealing with separatists.

Possibly, but given they have a new National Guard for domestic repression, incorporating thousands of Right Sector fascists, I wonder if it's really necessary?

#218: Re: The Ukraine Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:50 am
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sieterayos wrote (View Post):

Dima wrote (View Post):

They say here that Kiev hired 150 PMCs from Greystone (ex-Blackwater) and sent them to the East Ukraine to help dealing with separatists.

Possibly, but given they have a new National Guard for domestic repression, incorporating thousands of Right Sector fascists, I wonder if it's really necessary?

well, their militia is not really combat ready in case of real actions that's why they need some core troops to reinforce the militants.

#219: Re: The Ukraine Author: sieterayos,

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:17 pm
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Dima wrote (View Post):

sieterayos wrote (View Post):

Dima wrote (View Post):

They say here that Kiev hired 150 PMCs from Greystone (ex-Blackwater) and sent them to the East Ukraine to help dealing with separatists.

Possibly, but given they have a new National Guard for domestic repression, incorporating thousands of Right Sector fascists, I wonder if it's really necessary?

well, their militia is not really combat ready in case of real actions that's why they need some core troops to reinforce the militants.

Possibly. There's also the issue of the Right Sector's reliability given they are less concerned about maintaining appearances for Western opinion than other factions. One of their leaders was killed, they say executed, by police last week. Night of the Long Knives? Not clear yet.

#220: Re: The Ukraine Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:51 pm
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America's National Public Radio interviewed residents in Eastern Ukraine. Do not call Ukraine "The" Ukraine...translates to the borderlands. It is regarded as patronizing. One Ukrainian that was interviewed by American journalist put it best...neither control by Russia or control by the "West" EU/USA are good options. Ukrainians want to be truly independent without the overly controlling Russia or selling-out to the EU/USA. However he acknowledged that Ukraine really does not have any other options since the economy is in shambles.

The shit Global Economy trying to compete with Communist China and cheap slave labor in India is wrecking economies all over the world. Especially with the Troll multi-national corporations that treat workers like dirt. Ukraine is going to need economic support whether they like or not otherwise they will become a bottom tier eastern european nation without a future.

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