mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Ok so back to the main point... Nobody can win the what-a-about game because nobody is innocent, including Russia. |
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You would not like to go back to WW2 as you guys are the only ones besides Germans who were leveling cities with alot of population with bombers. |
johnsilver wrote (View Post): |
Don't go there. The Russians would have (more than likely) had the the technologically advanced bombers. The western allies denied sending them B-17/B-24 and later on, B-29's on purpose. |
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Only B-25 and B-26's were sent on the lend lease, or what later became "freebie" plan to Russia as far as support aircraft and the USSR preferred the P-39 Aircobra anyway. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Pro-Russian forces have said they are fighting against Ukrainian nationalists and "fascists" in the conflict, and in the case of Azov and other battalions, these claims are essentially true.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/30/preparing_for_war_with_ukraine_s_fascist_defenders_of_freedom |
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The USSR has copied B-29 in 1947.
Quote: <Select> Only B-25 and B-26's were sent on the lend lease, or what later became "freebie" plan to Russia as far as support aircraft and the USSR preferred the P-39 Aircobra anyway. B-25 and A-20, no B-26 was there. |
Pzt_Kami wrote (View Post): |
@johnsilver
Off topic question ! as far as I know Soviets had heavy bombers ,didn't? Tupolev SB , Il-4 , TB-3 and russian heavy bomber Pe-8 are all Russian bomber- heavy bombers that I can recall |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists Kiev throws paramilitaries – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle with rebels http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html |
Troger wrote (View Post): |
"Interestingly, many of the men in the (Azov) battalion are Russians from eastern Ukraine who wear masks because they fear their relatives in rebel-controlled areas could be persecuted if their identities are revealed." Did you read the article you linked to? That's in the link you provided above. Most of the guys in Azov, Dneiper, and Donbass battalions are ethnic Russians--says a lot, doesn't it? |
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Also, no one in the west thinks Ukrainian nationalism is a threat. |
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Only you Russians hate it because it means the end of your interference in the Ukraine. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
I even recall that no one in the West was thinking that the German nationalism was a threat in late 30s. but seems that the most in the East Ukraine is thinking differently. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
and you probably know that same Ukranian nationalists that were fighting the riot police in Kiev half a year ago were fighting against the Russian army in Chechna 15-20 years ago. |
Troger wrote (View Post): |
Russian imperialism/nationalism/facism/communism (whatever you guys call your little hybrid you got going) and the Chinese are the two biggest threats to this world. |
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Ukrainian nationalism and German WW2 National Socialists are not analogous groupings. |
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So no, Ukrainian nationalism isn't a threat, it's actually great, what's not to love about a group of people who are attempting to rid themselves of shitty Russian ways of governance? |
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Yeah, I know about them. An miniscule number (~150) of Ukrainians fought against Russia in Chechnya--and that unit was commanded by an ethnic Russian, lol. Is a 150-man squad that significant to you? |
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What about the majority (i.e., millions) of your Russian tovarishi who are ignorant stooges, are they significant problem to you? They are a huge problem for us in the west. |
Schmal_Turm wrote (View Post): |
Siwy, I agree wholeheartedly. As a US citizen I always look with suspicion at any actions this country takes or has taken in the past. I was surprised to find out the the federal government back in the early part of the 1900s sent bombers to blast strikers out of the Appalachian Mountains because the owners of the mines wanted it done. Money talks very loudly, and usually gets its way. |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
agree about China and that's why we have always more troops next to a Chinese border than in the west part. but your officials seem to not agree with you: Islamic State threat 'beyond anything we've seen': Pentagon http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-usa-islamicstate-idUSKBN0GL24V20140821 |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
The Ukrainian nationalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries had been largely liberal or socialist, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
haha, probably that's why 3,5mlns of Ukranians work in the RF (3mln of them illegally according to the Ukranian social minister S.Tigibko) which is approximately 40% of a total workpower of Ukraine (according to the forbes.ua). and btw, most of them are from the western areas of Ukraine . |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
which after returned from Chechna in late 90s formed the neo-Nazi groups around them which were the main muscels during the riots in Kiev. |
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sux to be you as you have so many problems you can't solve |
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