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#521: Re: The Ukraine Author: Dima,

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:03 am
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Stwa wrote (View Post):

Dima (a Holodomor liar), is spamming away as usual. He just makes it up as he is typing it, and pretends he is some kind of historian.

I never pretended to be some kind of historian but yes, it seems I have more historical knowledge (they are little beyond wiki articles) and probably education than most of posting here.

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Even Dima's linked article about the Soviet Famine cites Holodomar and provides a link to its own article. The number of deaths, Ukranian or otherwise is generally a function of the historian. The Holodomor Article mentions Stanislav Kulchytsky who estimated 10 million Ukranians killed, which are a subset of the total deaths. For many years, Stanislav Kulchytsky, was the head of the department of Ukrainian history at the country’s National Academy of Sciences.

what?! Mark Tauber article I gave a link to says right the contrary:
This situation makes it difficult to accept the interpretation of the famine as the result of the 1932 grain procurements and as a conscisious act of genocide. The harvest of 1932 essentially made a famine inevitable.

#522: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:10 am
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I never pretended to be some kind of historian but yes, it seems I have more historical knowledge (they are little beyond wiki articles) and probably education than most of posting here. -Dima

Uh-huh ! [impersonating Barney the purple dinosaur]

Doubtful arrogance. For instance the wiki article Holodomor contains a Bibliography with 46 works, some with links, and a Notes and Reference section that provides 145 citations to works contained in its bibliography. The wiki article Denial of the Holodomor contains a Reference seciton with 71 citations that also encapsulate its bibliography.

The neat thing about the Wiki, if you (Dima) has an issue with any article you can become a member of the Wiki and EDIT the article. You are not going to do that becuase you know that you are not qualified. (i.e. YOU DO NOT have the requistite education)

Holodomor
Denial of the Holodomor

#523: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:31 am
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what?! Mark Tauber article I gave a link to says right the contrary -Dima

try to read this and then we can have a discussion about the Great Famine:
http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger,%20'The%201932%20Harvest%20and%20the%20Famine%20of%201933,%20SR%2091.pdf -Dima

If you are so fucking smart, then how come you mispelled the author's name and gomered the link. You gonna blame it on your Rooskie keyboard?

#524: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:03 am
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Mark Tauger wrote this article you [Dima] cite in 1991 when he was an associate professor at The University of West Virginia. It was "published" in the Slavic Review produced at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where its editors are located.

This interpretation of famine [genocide] overlooks inconsistencies between offical [Soviet] grain harvest statistics for the early 1930's and the evidence of famine, as well as indications from other sources that these statistics are unreliable. -Mark Tauger

Tauger's main argument is that he thinks the original Ukraine harvest data provided by the Soviet Union in the 1930s is wrong, so his article uses Soviet data produced at a much later date in time to come to the conclusion that perhaps these Ukranians did not die after all, or if they did, it was not due to genocide. So like Dima, he denies Holodomor.

The 1932 Harvest and Famine of 1933 - Mark Tauger
Slavic Review
Denial of the Holodomor

#525: Re: The Ukraine Author: dj,

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:25 am
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Situation is escalating again in Ukraine. Reminds me of disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 90's with the lawless towns & gangster militias roaming the streets. "Rebel" commander now claims he wants to raise a militia of 100,000 strong. Russian economic sanctions and plummeting oil prices are really taking a severe toll on Putin's position.

#526: Re: The Ukraine Author: Stwa,

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:24 am
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Yes! Things are moving quickly in Ukraine. There has been tremendous progress.

NO Army can defeat us