Stwa wrote (View Post): |
you are probably joking as your attachment shows Crocodile = Churchill VII with Crocodile flamethrower installed. -dima
So you just want to continue spamming. Ok fine. :lol Wiki is a good source me thinks. You can find lots of great info on weapon systems there. Dima+books is hard to access, it's always suspect, and is surly. But this is part of the central problem in the literature. It says Crocodile, but if the associated units (tank, trailer) are taken apart, then what do you have? Is the fuel trailer itself refered to as a Crocodile. And they are FIELD kits after all. And you are forgetting the fuel trailer can be jettisoned from inside the tank. So when that happens, it is no longer a Crocodile, right? So me thinks, this is what it means: "We have a dozen Mk VIIs and we have 1 or 2 fuel trailers (that don't work BTW), so POTENTIALLY, all of our Mk VIIs could be Crocodiles." ... just NOT at the same time. |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
Oh-ho really what a joke Ok, the report on July 30th says they need to pressure up the trailers before comitting to action and it takes 30 mins . strange that it developed in "since the pressurized trailer only lasts for 30 minutes".... |
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Come on Dima, without a link, maybe its just more spam. |
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Other sources state the Crocodiles first entered combat on June 20th. According to Nigel Duncan in 79th Armoured Division, the flamethrowers did take part in the Normandy landings but initially had little success until it was understood that the trailers should not pressure up earlier than 30 minutes prior to an attack due to the leakage that occurred under the pressurized system. -WW2HQ |
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This tells me, that once pressurized, the Crocodile had 30 minutes to make it's attack before the pressure in the fuel trailer fizzed away. |
Stwa wrote (View Post): |
What is the operational range of a fully loaded Churchill Crocodile? [I don't know that!] [AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEE!] |
Stwa wrote (View Post): |
So, it's maximum speed is under 10 mph, so a maximum operational range of 5 miles. |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
your link actually states 2 squadrons not troops but that's a mistake . |
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Uh Huh [impersonating Barney the Purple Dinosaur] It says "TWO TROOPS". Ok, because I like you so much, I am going to put up several pictures that may help you to navigate articles, and footnotes when you are using the Wiki. Basically, When you see a footnote in the main body of the article text, you can mouse over that footnote. When you do that, the system usually underlines the footnote, which means it's a link. Then, you can click the footnote using your mouse, and the system will take you to the text of the footnote itsef. (usually at the bottom of the article) |
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In the circumstances you enumerated, then yes, the 5 miles might not be an issue.
But be aware, that while the beast is traversing these 5 miles the pressure in the fuel trailer is fizzing away into the atmosphere. |
Stwa wrote (View Post): |
You are trying to make it seem like it will remain combat effective after 30 minutes. In the example you gave, then there would be more time, like 45 minutes or maybe an hour. And BTW, did this quote of yours come from your fantasy reference library or are you just making this up as we go along. |
Stwa wrote (View Post): |
No other unit besides 141RAC had Churchill VII in Normandy in June. -Dima your attachment shows Crocodile = Churchill VII with Crocodile flamethrower installed. -Dima So, your library of books (the ones you have been reading for years), tells us that ONLY the 141st RAC had Chruchill Mk VII tanks in June. Presumably that covers June 26-30 (i.e. Operation Epsom). Your library also states that to have a Crocodile, one must have a Churchill VII with flamethrower installed [which includes its trailer of fuel]. And now one other quote, from the man himself. These tanks [the Churchill Crocs] represent the support of the 141 RAC (the Buffs) present during Operation Epsom and supporting the 15 Scottish Infantry Division and 31 Tank Brigade. Historically they were only used the first couple days of Operation Epsom and then pulled back. -Cathartes |
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It's Easy! So, if you see another unit (in the OOB) other than the 141st RAC, and they have some Funnies from the 79th Armoured Division in June 1944, then they can be Flails, or AVREs, but NOT Crocs, because as your REFERENCE LIBRARY tells us ONLY the 141st RAC had Chruchill Mk VII tanks in June, and you can't have a Croc without a Mk VII. |
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And Cathartes must have access to your library as well, because his statement says the in-game Churchill Crocs, represent those of 141st RAC. |
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that's alright as after 30mins they will be able to fire at 60yds instead of 80 (if they were not lucky). -Dima
Now you are drifting into pure BS. If you really think this is true, you should edit the Wiki article, and add your quote. But you are not going to do that are you? Because, (and this is what makes the Wiki better than your reference library), on the wiki, an article can be edited by any of their editors, at any time, and they are good a spotting pure BS like your quote. So if your quote was put into the wiki article it would eventually look like this. ...after 30mins they will be able to fire at 60yds instead of 80 (if they were not lucky).[citation needed] So, I will make it simple. When a Wiki editor adds [citation needed] after a sentence in an article, it means the editor believes that the text which was NOT cited, is bullshit. OK, here it is again. (for the third time) Other sources state the Crocodiles first entered combat on June 20th. According to Nigel Duncan in 79th Armoured Division, the flamethrowers did take part in the Normandy landings but initially had little success until it was understood that the trailers should not pressure up earlier than 30 minutes prior to an attack due to the leakage that occurred under the pressurized system. -WW2HQ This quote is expressing the fear that after 30 minutes, the flamethrower will not be combat effective. You are trying to make it seem like it will remain combat effective after 30 minutes. In the example you gave, then there would be more time, like 45 minutes or maybe an hour. And BTW, did this quote of yours come from your fantasy reference library or are you just making this up as we go along. |
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Perhaps you are forgetting the fuel trailer can be jettisoned from inside the tank. |
johnsilver wrote (View Post): | ||
You make a good point STWA regarding the trailer. I asked about it's inclusion in the game, but was told it would be difficult to include because of movement behind the Churchill itself was why. To have the Churchill's dragging a less lightly armored and extremely flammable trailer would have been nice, had it been possible.. All reality aside. |
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