mooxe wrote (View Post): |
When I first heard about what happened I immediately thought of Russian supplied arms to the rebels. |
US_Brake wrote (View Post): |
At a June 30 Pentagon news conference, NATO Supreme Commander Gen. Philip Breedlove said Russia had been providing air defense training to Russian separatists on its side of the border with Ukraine that focused on “vehicle-borne” surface-to-air missiles.
ABC News Story and photo |
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Those massive long range mobile SAMs are old, SA-11 etc and have been in and around that region for 20+ years since fall of Soviet Union. Anyone could have had the training they are not new, if that's what brought it down and not something inside the plane. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Not sure where you are going with both statements. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
It was definitely the heavily armed Russian-backed separatists. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
How is this being spun in Russia news...
1. NATO secret operation shoots down civilian aircraft to frame Russia. 2. Rebels captured Ukrainian anti-aircraft hardware and used it to take down a civilian aircraft by accident. 3. Ukrainian regular forces shoot down civilian aircraft. ...and finally the least likely story run in Russian but the most plausible... 4. Russian lent equipment to rebels used to down civilian aircraft. |
sample wrote (View Post): | ||
Until an independent investigation is taken upon, i wouldn't be so sure in blaming one side or another: all those "hard" evidences involving the presence of WMD in Iraq presented by US administration in the run-up for 2003 invasion, not to mention the Nayirah testimony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29) in the first Gulf war, or the use of chemical weapons in Syria in 2013 against civilians when Barack Obama heavily pushed for strikes against Bashar Hafez al-Assad regime based on shallow evidences (a UN investigation concluded that the rockets came most likely from rebel held areas). In all cases the corporate media pushed for war and helped the "win" the public support, or at least to tone down the opponents. For me it's a clear pattern and i could no longer believe right from the start any official version until backed by an independent investigation. regards, m |
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