Dima wrote (View Post): |
And I agree that most of the Russian population is really living in the alternate reality. |
Cathartes wrote (View Post): |
I thought this opinion piece in the Washington Post was interesting. It's a rather simplified, US-centric opinion, but it makes some sense based on what we've read in this thread: It’s not just about the Malaysian flight. Russians are living in an alternate reality. |
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But yet you still hand out the explanations for MH17 that come from your government, and of course excuse Russia from wrongdoing in every conversation? |
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I guess the alternate reality you are referring to is in regards to other aspects such as domestic politics, and not about Russia's history and it's role in world events--the Russian populace seem to form a united front on those issues. |
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By the way, I think you should reconsider the hiring of your "ethnic Ukrainian" employee, he sounds like an opportunist with identity problems (ready to kill other Ukrainians so he can get land?). Story sounds like bullshit (like the other ones), but if it's true, tell him that 15-year minimum prison sentences (or worse) await traitors like him. |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
do I? what I said that I'd wait for investigation before blaming anyone. looking at it from a different angle - you are the guy believing in no-proves statements by your goverment although they have already lied to you openly a couple of times to start wars. That's the first time Russia started to react on the White House briefings and all they can provide are photos from social media pages and their believes. Man, CIA has more budged than Russian Army and they can't provide any prove?! |
Dima wrote (View Post): | ||
I told a story it's up to you to believe it or not. |
Troger wrote (View Post): | ||||
We will never have 100% proof Dima. U.S. intelligence is not fool-proof, that's for sure, but I think there is enough circumstantial evidence in this case--and for what it's worth, U.S. intelligence has confirmed who is at fault. No one is blaming Russian military for downing it, as Obama said, Russia is being blamed for "creating the conditions" that led to this. |
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I hope it's not true. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Ok, it's obvious that Ukraine created the conditions by breaking the cease fire in late June. Sounds good? |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Dick Cheney and his henchman Wolfowitz are pieces of shit and pathological liars. Here we go again with the comparisons between U.S. aggression in Iraq and Russian aggression in Ukraine. It's not a valid analogy. Those trolls are long gone...although they are desperate to drum up consensus for more wars, re-invade Iraq, invade Ukraine, their power is isolated to the right-wing media bubble controlled by Murdoch.
The current U.S. policy is that of risk aversion, and de-escalation of wars. America is dangerously close to bankruptcy and still nowhere even close to paying off the Debt from Iraq and Afganistan (which are not even resolved yet anyways). The only "teeth" in this so called aggression towards Russia are sanctions. And in reality it is up the EU to impose serious sanctions. America is not that much of an essential trading partner with Russia in comparison to the EU. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Dick Cheney and his henchman Wolfowitz are pieces of shit and pathological liars. Here we go again with the comparisons between U.S. aggression in Iraq and Russian aggression in Ukraine. It's not a valid analogy. |
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the current U.S. policy is that of risk aversion, and de-escalation of wars |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Nobody is saying it was regular Russian forces that shot down the plane. The separatists maybe had advisors sent from Russia or possibly AA equipment supplied by Russia. Everything has gone quiet now on BOTH Malaysian airline tragedies. Still trying to find out what happened to the first jet that may or may not have crashed into Indian ocean. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Those are Partisan activist sources. Forbes is primarily slanted right-wing organization serving Country-Club elitist Partisans that only care about how to make $. WSWS is Socialist activist organization that wants to slam Obama & destroy the party to promote the rise of Socialism.
Any serious journalist would recognize that there isn't sufficient evidence yet to point fingers. The forensic examination of the flight recorder takes a long time...and still will not prove whom fired the AA missile(s). |
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