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Though initially successful, the German attacks stalled in the face of Soviet reinforcements brought in from across the Volga. The 13th Guards Rifle Division, assigned to counterattack at the Mamayev Kurgan and at Railway Station No. 1 suffered particularly heavy losses. Over 30 percent of its soldiers were killed in the first 24 hours, and just 320 out of the original 10,000 survived the entire battle. Both objectives were retaken, but only temporarily. The railway station changed hands 14 times in six hours. By the following evening, the 13th Guards Rifle Division had ceased to exist. So great were Soviet losses that at times, the life expectancy of a newly arrived soldier was less than a day, and the life expectancy of a Soviet officer was three days. |
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It's very interesting. Just a thing: I suppose that "the entire battle" it means until 2 february 1943, anyway the "heavy losses" of the first couterattack are for sure not so heavy. |
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About official reports, I have read (sorry no fonts.. I have some readme, but I had forgotten to write the fonts) that on 15th october, commanders of 115th Rifle division and 112nd Rifle Brigade requested to cross the Volga giving to Chuikov false informations (official reports) about their divisional regiments: they say they were exausted, but Chuikov discovered they had again 600 and 900 men ready to fight.
Commanders of 42nd Rifle Brigade and 92nd rifle brigade crossed the volga with the pretext to speak with superiors, but, instead, hiding themselves on Golodnj island, in the middle of the Volga, sending "imaginary reports" (to hide the truth of their defection) until they have been discovered (and processed). |
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I can't say how much is true what I have written, but my guess is: is not possible that some commanders have "exaggerate in positive" in their reports to distance themselves from bad episodes like the ones I have reported? |
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When I say "the entire battle", I refer to wikipedia, so I suppose wikipedia means until 2nd february 1943 (about the 320 men remained). I'm sure your report it's correct. |
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Rodimtsev has at least one book in russian about Stalingrad. In english it's name is something like The guards resisted to the death, something like that, but it was never translated. The text is free in the internet, maybe you could take a look and see if the commander says anything about losses? |
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I believe that information is taken from Beevor's book. |
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For example, Glantz recently said in this video (it starts at the relevant point) that the Battle of Kursk wasn't the biggest tank battle in World War 2, and that Brody 1941 was actually larger. Whether he's right or not, I'm not sure because he doesn't give any accurate numbers in the video. Maybe someone here can give some numbers? |
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That's very interesting! When I studied history, we were told never to rely or even trust wikipedia. Anyone can write it, and as proven, it isn't always accurate. |
schrecken wrote (View Post): |
here's the thing though
We all know the Soviets were weak pussies and lied to their superiors.. or told their superiors what they wanted to hear. They had no heart and would not stand up to authority.. a few good men could have saved the world from soviet atrocities but no like the Nazis they failed miserably. That is the historical facts and no amount of denying it will change it. |
TheImperatorKnight wrote (View Post): |
That's very interesting! When I studied history, we were told never to rely or even trust wikipedia. Anyone can write it, and as proven, it isn't always accurate. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
It's [Wikipedia] a very poor form of reference. Something to which if you had been to a University would know you can't use because of it's inaccuracy. Cheers for the laugh I guess.
ps I hope the quote system works this time.......it didn't. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Calm down kid I don't mean to cause offense. But Wiki is a very poor reference and even you should know that. But I guess that depends on what Uni you have attended. You get what you pay for. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Calm down kid I don't mean to cause offense. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Well maybe it's the Uni you attended needed to spell it out to you. I can assure you Wiki isn't an accepted reference. Maybe lesser Uni's have lower standards. But please calm down and once again accept my true apology. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
Well maybe it's the Uni you attended needed to spell it out to you. I can assure you Wiki isn't an accepted reference. |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
See dumbing down of society started in the US and you are probably just one of their casualties. |
Stwa wrote (View Post): | ||
But you are the one that cannot ascertain the quotation syntax. |
Stwa wrote (View Post): |
Hey, suddenly the quotation syntax in you last post worked. Very interesting since it has not been working for a year, but now, voila. |
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