vobbnobb wrote (View Post): |
What did the Nazis get out of invading Poland anyway?? There is nothing there. A strategic location maybe? were any ww2 factories setup there for parts or was it just another "lebensraum" such as France. |
kweniston wrote (View Post): |
This is what my country has come to now: http://rt.com/news/269314-anti-russian-propaganda-netherlands/. |
kweniston wrote (View Post): |
This is what my country has come to now: http://rt.com/news/269314-anti-russian-propaganda-netherlands/. |
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I just say look at countries foreign policies to see who the real aggressors are |
sod98 wrote (View Post): |
As for cartoons in schoolbooks: in my country they are intended to engage in subjective discussions about world events. They are not generally used to present off the shelve opinions, which is what the RT article seems to suggest. |
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So they aren't intended to tell the truth. Let alone explain the truth to a new generation. I guess that's kweniston was suggesting in his post about Dutch media and you are confirming that. End of the day every good news item is someones opinion backed up with facts and good investigative journalism not scaremongering little kids with propaganda WW2 Nazi Germany style. Sadly ignoring whether it's Dutch, Russian or American propaganda littles very much. Currently the West has embarked upon a campaign of disinformation aimed at countries with differing views, cultures and economies to theirs. Iraq - WMD's, Syria - Sarin gas, Venezuela, Russia, China, Iran and many others. I just say look at countries foreign policies to see who the real aggressors are - 75 countries attacked in individual conflicts by US and many of those by GB and NATO and or UN countries. Don't get me wrong some are warranted but most aren't. |
Siwy89 wrote (View Post): |
I understand your point, but apart from installing goverments US implemented in the West Marshall Plan, Americans were pumping money into western countries (of course mostly for US benefit, obviously). USSR were pumping Marks and Lenin's ideologies into eastern countries so there is the difference. I haven't got friendly altitude towards US politics, just staiting that situation was far worse in the East under Soviets and you can hardly argue about that.
I envy coutries like Switzerland, they manage to be neutral for soooo long. When there was last war in Swiss country? Napoleonic era? Or maybe Spring of Nations period. |
jockthesock wrote (View Post): |
The Germans mainly killed non Germans, the Russians mainly killed Russians. The Russians didn't liberate Poland, they steam rollered over it on their way to Germany, after the Germans put down the Warsaw uprising. |
Siwy89 wrote (View Post): |
I think you are both right about Warsaw Uprising. Russian army was stretched badly and lack of supplies prevents them from taking major actions on Warsaw's front, but this is not the only reason that soviets didn't support rebels. For Stalin it was very convenient that insurgents were fighting with Germans- killing two birds with one stone. Stalin, for most time, forbade american supply planes to land on soviets airfields. Only when uprising was nearly over he allows that. Maybe Americans or Brits could do the same, e.g when suddenly Paris was to be liberated by communists. |
jockthesock wrote (View Post): |
To compare the German occupation with the Russian is not the point. The point is that the Russian system imposed on the Poles could not be described as liberation. As for being embarrassed, I've read Stalin The Red Tsar twice, Leon Trotsky, Stalin and his Hangmen, Lenin, Khrushchev, Eduard Shevardnadze, and Afgantsy. So I am not ignorant of that part of the world. Most westerners would prefer living in post war Greece than post war Eastern Europe, of that I have little doubt.
When asked how the war was won, I have always stated, by Russian blood, American industry and British money. The numbers of Russians who died under Stalin, factless and baseless paranoia, I don't think so. Not a fan of Stephen Ambrose, a bit light weight. |
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