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#1: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:36 pm
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Hello, i'm fairly sure this has been bought up many times but is there a proper way to fix the scroll speed in the old games? And yes I know I can use arrow keys but I want to see if you can fix the scrolling with the mouse.

This problem happens in CC1 - CC5. In CC2 the scroll speed is only normal whenever you are dragging out an order or moving a unit in the deployment, but is hyper speed if you are not doing those things. Also funnily enough the scroll speed seems to be fine in the CC1 demo, yet in the full game it's as bad as the others, this suggests that the demo has some sort of framerate limit? and for the rest of the games it's hyper speed regardless.

My specs incase that is relevant:
CPU: AMD A10-6800k (quad core)
GPU: AMD HD 7950
Ram: 8GB DDR3
OS: Windows 7 64-bit

Things I have tried are:
Compatibility mode
Cpu killer program (This doesn't fix it, it just makes the game jerky for me)
Changing the affinity to 1 core
Lowering cpu usage in power options (the lowest it lets me go is 2GHz)
Starting the games with CC starter
And all at the same time

And none have really fixed it, it still just jumps to the other end of the map whenever i move the cursor to the edge of the screen for a millisecond.
Is there a way to cap the framerate maybe?

#2: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: bobbielidl,

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:58 pm
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solution: buy an old pentium 2 or 3 windows 95/98 computer Very Happy

#3: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:21 pm
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Lol true, but then no multiplayer unless you want 56k dial up speed Very Happy

#4: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:47 pm
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A 56k modem would actually make it easier to connect.

#5: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:58 am
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Till someone decides to phone you inbetween a match that is Smile

#6: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:49 am
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Me and a ton of other people have played CC1 just fine with cpu killer and affinity... Did you put it in windows 95 compat mode?

This the video that got me running it well I did it every step he did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5IiUrqJpaY

Didn't know cc rob made this good job man.. LOL just realized YOU made the video

cpu killer trails version shuts off automatically after a couple minutes, maybe thats the prob but works for me if you have the full version

#7: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:53 pm
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For me and a lot of others using Windows 95 compatibility mode on CC1 gives me an error about indeo codec, the only method that works for me is installing the 1.0a patch and using Windows NT 4.0 Compatibly mode (because without patch there is no support for Windows NT), but on windows 8/10 there's no option for that so I'm not sure how to get it running there.

And yes using those methods don't help the scrolling for me, although I was trying it on CC3 and 4

Cpukiller just makes it jerky for me

#8: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:03 am
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You are right it does only work in windows nt, just tried it. My mouse seems normal while playing is your skipping around or blinking?

If you move magnifier around the box on the bottom (under where it says off the beach) it moves the screen slow..

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#9: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:45 pm
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I ran it in a virtual windows 98 on virtualpc 2007 and did a little test, it seems without the 1.0a patch the scrolling is smooth and runs a little better, with the 1.0a patch it goes hyperspeed again. I think they removed the fps limiter or whatever it is in the patch, but it's impossible to get running without patch on new pc because of indeo error Very Happy

#10: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:16 pm
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Overtime people who make the iso files edit them heavily and are only made for 1 operating system like XP, same with the no cd patch. And who knows what the no-cd patch does when it overwrites the original exe

For windows 10 I would just pickup the real game off ebay or somewhere and start with a fresh set of files to work with, so your not workign with old isos and edited stuff placed in those isos.

Your only hope would be to get it to work on windows 95 compat mode, or wait until they come out with that option for windows 10

#11: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:45 am
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The best method I've found is to set up a power plan where you set your CPU to 1 or 2%.
Then set scroll speed to minimum.
Works well for me on different systems running Win7 and CC5.

#12: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:19 pm
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I have been using CC Starter for years. This very small app disables Direct Draw before starting the any CC program... then it re-starts DDraw on exiting the CC program. This is the best way that I've found to correct the jumpy scroll speed issue.

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Downloads&op=getit&lid=4054

#13: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:24 pm
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the only thing ccstarter helped for me was the annoying menu draws on cc2, but for other games it makes them have an error message or doesn't fix anything Very Happy

and my cpu only lets me go down to 20% which still seems to be too fast for CC Very Happy

#14: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:16 am
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cool app tripwire, thanks for posting the link. Tried it in cc1 still get the fast scroll speed rob didn't like. Also direct draw is auto disabled on most graphics cards now a days making the program useless for cc1

#15: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:53 pm
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well Rob, what's your progress? Have you found a fix? Looked into Indeo codec to see if it can work on 10?

#16: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: CloseCombatRob,

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:32 pm
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I don't have win10, I downgraded back to win7 due to the fact a lot of my older games do not run or run properly on windows 10 because something to do with the directdraw and directx 8 and below emulation is completely broken in windows 10

#17: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:32 pm
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Do you get your graphics card updates through windows or vendor?

#18: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: asdf2k,

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:46 pm
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I made an AutoHotKey script that makes you scroll by holding the right mouse button and moving the mouse around. It will translate the mouse movements to the arrow keys on the keyboard. To my surprise this works really well, it feels natural and even more convenient because you don't have to move your mouse all the way to the edge. Let me know if it works for you.

How to use:

https://www.autohotkey.com/

#19: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: asdf2k,

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:51 pm
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Here is the script file:

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#20: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:24 pm
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Any news? the scroll glitch is especially bad in the GOG re-release for CC2...at least I (re) paid a small amount of money but still it's terrible

#21: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:34 am
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Would be nice if Slitherine could make a new Close Combat Classic rewrite as separate project from new engine. Something that would just fix the scrolling, offer some updated maps, fix AI etc.
The previous rewrites never really changed much except the graphics a bit.

#22: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: vobbnobb,

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:40 pm
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Am I the only member with all working cc games to date on win7?

#23: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: ScnelleMeyer,

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:01 pm
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Mine are all working on W7 and W10

#24: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: Berger,

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:02 pm
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How? I tried to run CC5 and CoI in Windows 10 without success.

#25: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: ScnelleMeyer,

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:29 pm
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I didnt do anything special - no compability settings or nothing for Win10 - They run just fine as is for me.

#26: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: asdf2k,

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:38 pm
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Here's another fix. Scrolling speed in classic CC games depends on rendering speed. The Dxwnd tool has a built-in frame limiter that forces the game to run at a lower frame rate. This will reduce the scrolling speed to normal.

Instructions:
-Install Dxwnd: https://sourceforge.net/projects/dxwnd/ - it's a small program that allows to run fullscreen games in windowed mode, but also adds numerous other fixes for older games
-Download and unzip the Dxwnd profile that I attached in my post
-Open Dxwnd and choose "File->Import" to import the profile you just downloaded
-Right-click the profile that has been added and click "Modify". Change the "Path" to match your installation path of the game. I set it to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Close Combat 2\cc2.exe" but your path is probably different. The profile isn't just for Close Combat 2, it should work with the other CC games as well.
-Click OK, then double-click the profile to launch the game.

The scrolling speed should be much slower now. If you experience any issues, you can adjust the frame limit that I have preset in the Dxwnd profile. Open the modify dialog, click the timing tab, then adjust the limit under "Frames per second". I found values from 15-25 to be working best. If you go much higher, the game will sometimes fail to register mouse clicks. When that happens, go lower. Note that this does not affect the overall game speed.

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#27: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: ScnelleMeyer,

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:42 pm
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Thanks a lot for finding a fix to this long standing issue with the original CC releases!
I tried it now on both CC2 and CC3 and it works perfectly!

Just a note to supplement the instructions:
To change the "frame per second" you have to enable the "Options - Expert mode" to access the "Timing" tab where that entry is found.

For my set up (I7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz, 32GB RAM, Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080) ,
I found changing it to 15frames pr second for both CC2 and CC3 to be perfect.

#28: Re: Fix scroll speed on classic cc games? Author: asdf2k,

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:28 pm
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Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot that this expert mode switch needed to be enabled. I like the scrolling speed even slower, so I tried increasing the delay to 30 and more, but as a side effect, this makes the user interface a bit sluggish.

Also, I mentioned that the game may fail to register mouse clicks with higher delay values. As it turns out, this only affects the right-click menu that you use to control soldiers. You can prevent this by not moving your mouse too much after clicking until the menu appears. It's a bit annoying at first, but I got used to it.

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