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#1: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:40 am
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Is anyone interested in updating cc5 winterwar to tLD?  I can help with new or revamped maps (yup I'm thinking about starting again)

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#2: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:10 am
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Very temping Southern_land....

I would like to retire my CC5 install and many full mods have already been converted;
- Battle Of Berlin
- Bloody Omaha
- Ebro
- GJSv44 converted with updates for  LSA
- GJS TRSM converted/updated to Battle for Caen for TLD
- Meuse
- Stalingrad
- Stalingrad Der Kessel

But Winter War along with a few others still are out there;
- Africa4041
- Battle Of The Scheldt
- Karelia_v2.2
- Khalkhin-Gol
- Ortona
- Stalingrad Operation Circle

If I missed any, sorry this what I have for CC5 and TLD/LSA on my PC today....

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#3: Re: winter war Author: Drizzt,  Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:07 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Very temping Southern_land....

If you port it (I really like it), I'm enough sure that this mod suffers the random wreck selection bug. Teams shoud be a bit reworked to avoid it (and create battles).

There is also CC5 El Alamein: it's an excellent mod. Its tanks/vehicles are too big and they should be resized. And of course it suffers of sleeping IA caused by huge minefields (should be removed in a great part.)

I have a version of Utah mod that I have adapted better for TLD (it was for WAR, so already converted even if not for TLD specifically).

About Afrika 40/41 it's a mod with big potential and beatiful maps, but it needs a work about Bgs (the best italian Bgs you see there are out of the timeline of the mod; it's also unbalanced; and there is the problem about huge minefields).

Drizzt

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#4: Re: winter war Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:55 am
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I'm in...... Glad to see you back  

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#5: Re: winter war Author: Schmal_Turm,  Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:14 am
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That's great news southern_land. It would be a shame to lose someone of your obvious artistic talents.

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#6: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:31 pm
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Yeah, that mod definitively deserves to be re-modded for the re-releases.

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#7: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:28 pm
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I'm in....

I have the data files converted and can start TLD with them.

I'll have to fix some data errors;
- AlsTeams ammo count
- AxsTeams  ammo count
- Soldiers ammo count
- vehicles best kill and best mount

Anyone want to do some research Nov. 30/1939 to  Mar. 13/1940 for every 4 days?  Example Nov. 30 - Dec.3, Dec. 4 - 7, Dec. 8 - 11, etc.
- what was the prevailing historical weather?
- air support sorties per side?

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#8: Re: winter war Author: Rodmorg, Location: Bournemouth Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:59 am
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My favourite CC5 mod, as it shows a crushing defeat to such an outnumbered side, and just typically the gameplay. Would really like to see it for TLD. Good luck

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#9: Re: winter war Author: Drizzt,  Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:23 am
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Hi Tejszd,

Weekly based historical weather can be found here:
http://www.winterwar.com/other/weather.htm

It's not every 4 days, but the info can be very useful because there is specified when it has snowed.

Drizzt

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#10: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:00 am
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Great initiative Southern Land and good catch Tejzd:D

This one could be another great mod ressurected! - I wish you good luck.

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#11: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:51 am
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cool, I should be mapping in a couple of days or even chopping down current maps to WW size and refurbishing them

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#12: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:44 pm
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Drizzt wrote (View Post):

Hi Tejszd, Weekly based historical weather can be found here: http://www.winterwar.com/other/weather.htm It's not every 4 days, but the info can be very useful because there is specified when it has snowed. Drizzt

Thanks Drizzt. That is a good site and I haven't been there in years!

Too bad CC really doesn't take into account the temperature as the weather in CC really on tends to affect if you get air support or not. I guess the exception is CC3/COI where maps can be marked winter and non winterized equipment may fail.

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#13: Re: winter war Author: Drizzt,  Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:13 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

cool, I should be mapping in a couple of days or even chopping down current maps to WW size and refurbishing them

What do you think about to "convert in snow" some or many Karelia 2 maps? (historically speaking, I don't know which/how many maps the two mods share.)

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#14: Re: winter war Author: Antony_nz,  Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:49 am
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Sorry to change the subject but- Khalkhin-Gol was so awesome in my opinion. Its a mod that needs fixing and a few extra maps. Just a few... and it would be a great. Nice and small quick campaign for those who are in a rush.

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#15: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:34 pm
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ok Tejszd AND i ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS.  tHE CURENT PLAN IS 44 MAPS UNLESS WE CAN FIND SOMEONE TO HELP US ON THE STRAT MAP

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#16: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:35 pm
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AHHHHHH!!!! BLOODY CAPS!

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#17: Re: winter war Author: russ109,  Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:41 pm
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Never say Never again Shane lol

Look forward to seeing this next instalment.

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#18: Re: winter war Author: US_Brake, Location: USA Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:07 am
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Good Luck on the new project

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#19: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:07 pm
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okay after a bit of hiatus (bought and moved into a house) I'm moving ahead with the map graphics

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#20: Re: winter war Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:29 pm
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And I'm Damn happy you are  

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#21: Re: winter war Author: crewman,  Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:52 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

okay after a bit of hiatus (bought and moved into a house) I'm moving ahead with the map graphics

congrats on the house ... look forward to seeing ur new maps  

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#22: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:33 am
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here's what i'm playing with at the moment  3pont spun, chopped down in size and the forest thickened from Ardennes forest to Finnish forest

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#23: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:01 am
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frozen lake slightly smaller, hills added, island added and will re-tree in 5cc

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#24: Re: winter war Author: crewman,  Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:23 am
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Lookin good!

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#25: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:32 am
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Nice

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#26: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:21 am
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Hill 121

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#27: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:26 am
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K-woods

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#28: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:44 am
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Kwoods2

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#29: Re: winter war Author: Ivan_Zaitzev,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:17 am
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Really nice southern_land!

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#30: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:18 am
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Looking like hard infantry fighting for the new Winter war.

I have a couple of questions on map making SL:
- How do you make your own ground textures ?  - In earlier posts you said some were used from Google Earth . - In that case how do you make them good enough or detailed enough for CC?

The ground texture on Hill 121 map - Was that made with layer mask and brushes ?

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#31: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:08 pm
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there are some areas in Google earth that are good enough for textures but you have to pick and choose.  I've found several in the States and Australia, lots from Germany and several from here in New Zealand.  Hunt near major urban areas.

Hill 121 is a paint over of one of the Stalingrad maps (hill 120   )  I sampled the ploughed areas of the original with the magic wand tool set very close 15/255, added a new layer added effects, then repeated that three times with different selections and effects

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#32: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:09 pm
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Mline3

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#33: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:22 pm
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RivLake

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#34: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:04 am
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Frzlak2 (treed)

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#35: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:05 am
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Frzlak2 (treed)

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#36: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:04 am
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Defenc2

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#37: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:20 am
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3ponts2  (treed)

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#38: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:54 am
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Turning them out high speed SL! -Very inspiring previews.

Thanks for the tips SL. Im not trying to highjack the WW thread but..
I tried the selection method, but must be doing it wrong cause I cant get anything like the effect you got. ( Might be because you know mapmaking a lot better than me:D )
When I used the magic wand with 15px tolerance on those fields - just a few pixels would be selected.. Did of course find another way but not getting exactly what I want...

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#39: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:47 am
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No problem.  happy to help

When the magic wand is selected there is a tick box available "contiguous"  Untick that and it'll select everything within those parameters on the map

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#40: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:40 pm
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Thanks a lot ! I will have another go at it. - What I really want to do is create something like this effect:

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#41: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:24 am
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started with this texture and magic wanded the lightest colours

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#42: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:57 am
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Allright thanks SL - Then I know Im on to something here:)

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#43: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:59 am
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Mline2

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#44: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:29 am
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southern_land, the map updates are looking good! Remember as you change maps sizes that my monitor resolution is 1920x1200 so nothing smaller! 

The CC5 Winter War data files have been converted along with graphic files (pics attached).

Still need to do uniforms.txt, campaign.txt and stratmap.txt along with recreating the battles, operations and campaigns. Then add the updated maps and any changes/fixes wanted....

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#45: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:39 am
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AWESOME!!!!

I'm currently playing WW on CC5 classic!!  Love that you guys are keeping this game alive!!!

Re: Afrika 40-41 - Definitely up in my top 3 favs.  I'd love to see that one ported to CC TLD.  Is JimRM2 still in the community??

@ Antony - Good to hear someone still likes my little mod. I will port it to CC TLD and finish it someday.  I've been selecting maps from Afrika, Ebro, and El-Alamein to edit and ultimately include in my Nomonhan / Khalkhin-Gol mod.

   

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#46: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:00 am
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Uberdave wrote (View Post):

@ Antony - Good to hear someone still likes my little mod. I will port it to CC TLD and finish it someday.  I've been selecting maps from Afrika, Ebro, and El-Alamein to edit and ultimately include in my Nomonhan / Khalkhin-Gol mod.

Good to hear

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#47: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:27 pm
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defence

Darren you might have to stop helping mate, I've had to reduce the map size to up the AI aggression

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#48: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:19 pm
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another one

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#49: Re: winter war Author: MajorFrank,  Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:19 pm
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Very nice. Still remember playing the grand campaign of WW, took about as long as the real war itself.  :)

Not sure if it can be implemented but it would be nice if it would be a bit easier to destroy tanks with infantry. That was one of the things Finnish infantry was very good at, destroying the tanks with Molotov Coctails etc. The last time I played WW the Soviet tanks were just a little too effective against my infantry, especially the immobilised tanks.

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#50: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:49 pm
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Yeah the maps looks really nice Shane!

What is your recommended max size of maps to get the AI moving ?

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#51: Re: winter war Author: Roger5,  Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:10 am
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Hello Southern land. Don´t forget to include Salhexe's veteran mod 3.5  

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#52: Re: winter war Author: mooxe,  Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:33 am
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WW is one of my favorite mods. Shame I could never find people online to play. I loved all the light vehicles and the maps.

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#53: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:15 pm
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ScnelleMeyer wrote (View Post):

Yeah the maps looks really nice Shane! What is your recommended max size of maps to get the AI moving ?

not exactly sure but I've dropped these to about regular cc3 size, and tested in COI.  I'm not sure how aggressive the IA is compared to tLD.  At least this size the finns (The player side to my mind) are forced to confront the heavier Russian weapons right off.

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#54: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:38 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

WW is one of my favorite mods. Shame I could never find people online to play. I loved all the light vehicles and the maps.

it's be a hard fight H2H

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#55: Re: winter war Author: Roger5,  Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:03 pm
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I play with Salhexe's 3.5 mod and there is a difference to playing without it.

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#56: Re: winter war Author: Sapa,  Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:34 am
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[quote="MajorFrank";p="83464"]Very nice. Still remember playing the grand campaign of WW, took about as long as the real war itself.  :)

Not sure if it can be implemented but it would be nice if it would be a bit easier to destroy tanks with infantry. That was one of the things Finnish infantry was very good at, destroying the tanks with Molotov Coctails etc. The last time I played WW the Soviet tanks were just a little too effective against my infantry, especially the immobilised tanks.[/quote]

105 days  

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#57: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:06 pm
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Llakkes

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#58: Re: winter war Author: Sapa,  Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:33 pm
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Wery nice work Shane! I wish i had your energy

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#59: Re: winter war Author: Roger5,  Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:19 pm
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Yes It´s very good  

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#60: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:00 am
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Sapa wrote (View Post):

Wery nice work Shane! I wish i had your energy

Cheers Mats, haven't completed the coding on many of these yet but I have discovered a way to code fast

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#61: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:28 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

Hill 121

Is this a Radio Antenna on the hill?

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#62: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:38 pm
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yep

mid village

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#63: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:42 pm
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on a roll tonight

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#64: Re: winter war Author: Schmal_Turm,  Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:46 pm
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Glad to see southern_land that you are definitely back to doing what you do so well. It would have been a shame to lose your superb map-making talents.

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#65: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:04 am
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rehashed COI map

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#66: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:01 am
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kwood3

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#67: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:45 am
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Phew I'm going to a bunch to code up soon

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#68: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:27 am
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Good work so far!  My only gripe is that the trees look a little 'bright'.  Like Pitf, lots of bright colors tend to give it a fantasy feel. Like happy-happy land where the Hobbits lived.  

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#69: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:25 pm
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LOL.  Don't worry after my time off I can't recall how to add the proper tree sprites out of 5cc so I'm just creating CC5 trees and changing them from billiard table green

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#70: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:50 am
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another one from the M line

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#71: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:38 am
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valley

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#72: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:42 am
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Raatu

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#73: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:47 am
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Muolaa

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#74: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:53 am
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Kamara

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#75: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:09 pm
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That makes 22  

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#76: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:53 pm
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Good Job! Looking forward to play on these.

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#77: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:40 pm
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23

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#78: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:46 pm
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Finn Mount

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#79: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:35 am
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Winterisation of a Stalingrad map

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#80: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:48 pm
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Pero adapted for a der kessel map

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#81: Re: winter war Author: sod98,  Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:16 pm
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Very, very nice work.

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#82: Re: winter war Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:04 pm
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Finn Mount?

For some reason this map ;looks very familiar to me.


Question:
Is the Ice codded as being passable?

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#83: Re: winter war Author: mooxe,  Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:14 pm
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In CC5 certain ground elements can be either mud or dry ground based on weather. Can the same be done with ice?

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#84: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:48 am
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platoon_michael wrote (View Post):

Finn Mount? For some reason this map ;looks very familiar to me. Question: Is the Ice codded as being passable?

Yeah, one of the cc4 maps reworked

and again yeah at the moment all ice is passable - killzones without cover

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#85: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:51 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

In CC5 certain ground elements can be either mud or dry ground based on weather. Can the same be done with ice?

Not sure but I had an idea that ice instead of turning to a crater becomes deep water with the associated graphic so goes from passable to impassable

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#86: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:33 am
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Sakkola

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#87: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:11 pm
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Sboreal1

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#88: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:42 pm
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Sboreal2

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#89: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:58 pm
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Sboreal3  (trees winterised)

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#90: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:39 pm
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K5

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#91: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:35 pm
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I see many water areas in maps (lakes, etc.). Bel's A Sau Valley mod had nice water vehicles, like gunboats, which could move on water. Any plans implementing something like that?

There is a nice photo of water crossing in winter war.

https://tr.pinterest.com/pin/464785624015820283/

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#92: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:07 am
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ke_mechial wrote (View Post):

I see many water areas in maps (lakes, etc.). Bel's A Sau Valley mod had nice water vehicles, like gunboats, which could move on water. Any plans implementing something like that? There is a nice photo of water crossing in winter war. https://tr.pinterest.com/pin/464785624015820283/

I think you'll find those photos are the continuation war not the winter war  1941-44 not 1940

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#93: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:17 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

ke_mechial wrote (View Post): I see many water areas in maps (lakes, etc.). Bel's A Sau Valley mod had nice water vehicles, like gunboats, which could move on water. Any plans implementing something like that? There is a nice photo of water crossing in winter war. https://tr.pinterest.com/pin/464785624015820283/ I think you'll find those photos are the continuation war not the winter war  1941-44 not 1940

Yeah, sorry.

unfrozen water does not make sense, either...:D

ok, so any change with ski troops? I remember bersaglieri motorcycle teams were implemented in Afrika 1941. I think Ski could work as a vehicle with one driver. A top view of skiing soldier with long skis could be used as image. Handarms of soldier could be implemented as vehicle weapons.

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#94: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:35 am
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Please don't change the data too much in this mod. It plays just fine.

Btw, ski troops already have a bonus for mobility, IIRC.

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#95: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:16 pm
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Zan2

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#96: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 6:28 am
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Korlee

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#97: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:00 am
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Lookin' great man, keep it up!

Btw SL, are you on FB?

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#98: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:12 am
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just barely Dave.  About half a dozen 'friends' and a blue face

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#99: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:34 pm
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Finsnow

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#100: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:20 am
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Salla

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#101: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 1:24 pm
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tliuitliu

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#102: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 2:05 pm
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Humel

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#103: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 2:31 pm
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k2

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#104: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 4:26 pm
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K1

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#105: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 2:48 pm
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...and another one

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#106: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:35 am
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They all look like brand new maps???

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#107: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:37 am
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Meanwhile, I'm almost through the classic CC5 GC as the Soviets.  BBQ anyone?

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#108: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 11:49 am
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Uberdave wrote (View Post):

They all look like brand new maps???

Sort of.  Some are brand new, some are adaptions and several are paint overs  

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#109: Re: winter war Author: TWJunky,  Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 1:23 pm
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wouldnt it be abetter idea to convert the mods to lsa. imho its just the better game.

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#110: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:23 pm
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there's no conversion to LSA, its basically start from scratch

Been fiddling around with a 64 map strat map

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#111: Re: winter war Author: TWJunky,  Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:10 pm
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oh too bad. i would love to see these mods come to lsa.

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#112: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 4:25 am
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Rako

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#113: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 4:35 am
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simple reskin of one of the originals

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#114: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:18 am
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K3

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#115: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:13 pm
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K4

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#116: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 4:02 am
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A redraw of the Winter map to conform to the style I'm using

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#117: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 6:19 am
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W2nter

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#118: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 10:53 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

Rako

I especially liked this map,  a variety of cover points for the defending side. And I think first time, I see a railway passing through hills.

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#119: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:17 pm
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Yep, probably need a few more railways to be honest.  That one will go through a 6-7m cutting giving great cover

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#120: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:42 pm
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W3nter - another border map

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#121: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 1:52 pm
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Border

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#122: Re: winter war Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 2:37 pm
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They look on the small side for a map, not a bad thing.
What is the average dimensions?

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#123: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 3:27 pm
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pvt_Grunt wrote (View Post):

They look on the small side for a map, not a bad thing. What is the average dimensions?

the biggest has a length of 2160px.  Small for my maps but I'm hoping to make an code them for a hard fight of Human Finns defending against an aggressive Soviet AI

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#124: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:02 am
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W5NTER

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#125: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:11 am
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Raater2

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#126: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:29 pm
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Samma

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#127: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:25 pm
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Uusuk

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#128: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:08 am
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KesselS2 reimagining

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#129: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 3:26 pm
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this one

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#130: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 9:17 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

Uusuk

Nice cliffs covered with trees. It would be a nice position to place your MG Teams and Anti tank guns.

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#131: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 11:28 am
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Very nice work, SL!

If you aren't busy with any projects following WW, would you be interested in doing some maps for one of my mod projects?

I'd love to see all of the maps have the same high standards that you display in your work (inc road sizes, colors, textures, water placement, bridges, etc).
Terrain would be as diverse as Mongolia (KG/Nomonhan mod in process of completion) and variations on a semi-arid mountainous/desert, arctic tundra, snowy/muddy in southern Russia, and/or thick jungle with patches of flat land and rocky hills, sub-tropical Pacific islands, etc....

I've got about a half a dozen ideas for both obscure and popular mods that I'm planning for TLD and LSA!

PM me if interested and I can give more details

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#132: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 4:50 pm
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Xroad

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#133: Re: winter war Author: mick_xe5,  Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 5:50 pm
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Have you considered using a various taiga graphics in the terrain file for visual variety?

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#134: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:15 pm
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Honestly My first thought was to replace a couple of the larger maps using the old textures, then to increase the number top 64, now I'nearly done 64  

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#135: Re: winter war Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 7:30 pm
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Southern_land, I've waited 'till you've almost finished.... so, really great job on the Winter War maps!!!  Wish that they could be used in the CC5 version (I've still not purchased any of the new sims).

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#136: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 2:37 am
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they can be.  The coding is the same. Just swap them out with the ones you want to replace

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#137: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:14 am
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Anyone run into a problem with Stratmunger or RtBTool where the map data pulled from the CC5.ICD is wrong?

No matter what mod file I point to it shows the following values for the 1st map;

Center
X Y
139 97

StrMap Data
X Y W H
21 30 251 143


I have converted CC5 WinterWar to TLD and it works fine for single battles but crashes when I try to run a campaign on loading due to incorrect StratMap.txt values for the map locations.

Last edited by Tejszd on Mon May 30, 2016 1:33 am; edited 2 times in total

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#138: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:51 am
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Think I got it now!

With RtBTool you can read from the CC5.exe instead of the CC5.ICD and selecting "Maps on Strategic1 big screen" is giving me better looking values.

Note: using "Maps on Strategic2 big screen" gives the other incorrect values.

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#139: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 1:03 pm
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fantastic Darren.  I'll make sure the rest of the maps are 1800 wide!!!!  

I'll locate the instructions for making a start map and see if I can make a 64 map one for this.  58 maps created though few are fully coded yet

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#140: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:04 am
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Delta

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#141: Re: winter war Author: Pzt_Crackwise, Location: Switzerland Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:17 am
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The maps look great!

But is it possible to have more varying trees with slightly different colors and different types etc.? The current color looks somehow a bit plastic.

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#142: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:55 am
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Yeah these trees are the basic cc5 trees that comes with 5CC (I've forgotten how to add terrain elements).  Though you raise a good point.  Might be worth creating my own tree spries like I did for Karealia2

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#143: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:03 am
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Meanwhile aerodrome  4 to go then some serious coding begins  

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#144: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:59 am
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Another one for the Mannerheim line

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#145: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:40 pm
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3 peaks

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#146: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:31 pm
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sawmill... and one map left to draw

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#147: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:19 am
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And the finale  Viipiri  the biggest map of the series and the hardest for the Soviets to capture (hopefully)

I've tested half a dozen maps in COI and the Finns will have a mission to resist the reds even playing against the AI

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#148: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:05 pm
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Really beautifull maps and awasome that they make an opponent out of the AI.

Just a little feedback on the Viipuri map (last one posted) - I think the open water should be a lot darker, - a very dark blue - or almost black in colour.
Otherwise the buildings and boats look great.

btw did you make up the boats from scratch or is there some borrowing involved?

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#149: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:57 am
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ScnelleMeyer wrote (View Post):

btw did you make up the boats from scratch or is there some borrowing involved?

Took them off of Google earth, same as most of the buildings.

the problem with the GE images translated to CC is soft detail.  With a little work "hardening" up the eves and chimneys and so forth they become quite usable.  The boats and buildings are pulled from the Rhine cities and London

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#150: Re: winter war Author: Pzt_Crackwise, Location: Switzerland Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:37 am
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My honest criticism regarding the last map:

The rocks on the river bank, the road on the bridge, the roads, sidewalks all have repeating (copy-pasted) patterns which give the map a very dull appearance.

PitF also has such map elements which don't blend in with the surrounding stuff - which I find a pity, since its maps are actually beautiful...

(Please don't get me wrong southern land, I really like your artwork normally!)

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#151: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:00 am
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A quick update on progress.  I have a dozen maps fully coded and all of the others with preliminary coding.  Tested a bunch in CC3.   Working on the strat map, thats a mindfuck!  So still progressing but its become a trudge through the menial stuff now.

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#152: Re: winter war Author: Pete, Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:31 pm
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Great looking maps SL, cannot believe I missed this thread.

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#153: Re: winter war Author: Pete, Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:46 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

Took them off of Google earth, same as most of the buildings. the problem with the GE images translated to CC is soft detail.  With a little work "hardening" up the eves and chimneys and so forth they become quite usable.  The boats and buildings are pulled from the Rhine cities and London

Could you share with us how you adjust them for use in your maps?

Thanks!

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#154: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:51 pm
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+1 to what Pete said

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#155: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:23 am
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This is a fast version.  This a stripped down version of what we did for Panthers in the fogs where I made about 150 fully different buildings, then added extra roof textures to some.  A huge effort but I thing it was worth it

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#156: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:18 pm
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Thanks for the pictures and explanation SL.  - The hardening step involves the scary part of free-hand drawing of lost details and edges, right?

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#157: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:20 am
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not if you're using photoshop.  just make another layer.  use the brush at 1 pixel put a spot where you want a styraight line to start, depress the shift and add another dot... straight line between the two

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#158: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:55 am
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this is what you can snaffle from google earth... Dresden.  not a lot of work to make it usable

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#159: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:16 pm
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zip with a psd of the building layers

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#160: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:50 pm
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Thanks again Southern Land! - I knew the straight line trick in PS, but more generally I am not a very talented artist.

That Dresden building is a beauty - Must be one of the few large old buildings left in the center after the allies firebombing in -45..
Took a look at the .psd file and it gives a really clear picture of the techniques used. - Thanks a lot!

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#161: Re: winter war Author: Pete, Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:29 pm
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Thanks SL ! Now I have to learn to use this technique because I am photoshop illiterate.

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#162: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:53 am
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Pete wrote (View Post):

Thanks SL ! Now I have to learn to use this technique because I am photoshop illiterate.

Don't worry thats where I started  

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#163: Re: winter war Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:03 pm
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southern_land, thank you for taking the time to explain in wonderful detail your method of pulling in Google Earth images into a map.  Good stuff!  It's a great learning tool that will help me in other projects, too!

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#164: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:01 am
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are we going to see some more mods?    

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#165: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:12 pm
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How is the progress on WW port to TLD?  

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#166: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:37 am
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Uberdave wrote (View Post):

How is the progress on WW port to TLD?

Editor made single battles/ops are working.

Done:
Data files
Graphic files
Maps/Strat map
Sound/vehicle/shadow/wreck - work as is

Issues/To Do:
Battles/Ops/Campaign need to recreated
Strat arrows not working properly
uniforms color need to be checked/redone

Haven't been able to put in as much time as I would have liked this summer but it is close....

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#167: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:46 am
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good to hear, T!

I've always liked the Soviet GC...challenging vs the AI. Mannerheim line is tough to break!

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#168: Re: winter war Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:24 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Haven't been able to put in as much time as I would have liked this summer but it is close....

The modders' biggest hurdle! Take your time and make it your best, we can wait!

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#169: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:49 pm
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Thanks for the update Tejzd. Please keep it up to the fin(n)ish

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#170: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:28 am
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I am looking forward to it!

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#171: Re: winter war Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:18 pm
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May I ask why the same trees threw out?

The Maps are Awesome.


The Trees?

Little less to be desired.



Your Mod,your maps.
I'm just asking OK?

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#172: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:21 am
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i've forgotten how to export the tree library out of 5cc to the trees you see on the maps are just the stock cc5 tree, recoloured and with snow added

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#173: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:55 am
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Quick update...
-25/64 maps fully coded and given a quick preliminary test
-New strat map completed but not installed
-New tank azp started

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#174: Re: winter war Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:25 pm
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It would be a Huge Mistake to make those maps with all the same Trees.

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#175: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:58 am
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Winter War port to TLD:
- Added RUvox.sfx to install in case someone runs the mod on WAR instead of TLD which doesn't include a Russian voice file
- Changed soldier graphic file to get smaller soldiers (closer to the map and vehicle scale)
- Converted mod data/graphics from CC5 to TLD
- Created a Winter War icon file
- Fixed ammo count (AlsTeams, AxsTeams & Soldiers)
- Fixed best kill and best mount (Vehicles)
- Fixed single battle random crash which was due to random wreck selection (Vehicles)
- Recreated Battles/Operations/Campaigns in TLD editor

Need to fix/port the;
- strat arrows
- Uniform colors

Then make any fixes/suggestions that are requested/seem reasonable;
- fix: German cross and US star used in battle for info icon(s)
- fix: US star used on stratmap for Russian BG info icon
- suggestion: increase molotov power
- suggestion: decrease tank MG accuracy/range

I do not think I'll use night battles as the winter conditions probably kept both sides in their shelters at night.

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#176: Re: winter war Author: Sapa,  Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:34 pm
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Dont forget SL:s birthday recently! I think he deserves a "note" for all his fantastic work      

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#177: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:42 am
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Sapa wrote (View Post):

Dont forget SL:s birthday recently! I think he deserves a "note" for all his fantastic work

Definitely agree that Southernland deserves a huge thank you from all the CC players for his fantastic work on many maps/mods!!!

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#178: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:26 am
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Cheers guys.  Haven't accomplished a lot recently but I have two weeks off shortly, even if I don't get anything done during that time hopefully I'll hit it refreshed shortly after

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#179: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:16 am
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Progress is now painfully slow.  I'm struggling to find much enthusiasm.  I have coded a few more maps and started making new vehicles.  I'm not using an accurate px to meter ratio of the vehicles, just trying to make them look right in comparison

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#180: Re: winter war Author: Schmal_Turm,  Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:48 am
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That is so great work, southernland. There is a Finnish tank based on a T-26, I believe, would it be possible to add one of those?

I am so glad you were able to get over the loss of your hard drive also. Talent like yours is so needed.

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#181: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:18 am
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Schmal_Turm wrote (View Post):

That is so great work, southernland. There is a Finnish tank based on a T-26, I believe, would it be possible to add one of those?

The BT 42 is what you mean I think, was only available after the winterwar 42-44

My plan is to add captured tanks via reinforcement (not quite sure if its possible as I imagine) but if you hold out from reinforcing some units until a certain time, after that you will start receiving penny packets of captured armour

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#182: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:12 am
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Thanks for the update.

I will give my opinion on the vehicles - the ones I like best have the details visible and they are Vickers 6t, t40, t28-39, KVII, BT-5, BT2.

Those with very hight contrast or near 100% black shadows I personally dont like.

Keep up the good work.

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#183: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:09 pm
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Nice Work Southernland. I especially liked komintern. I think, this is a tracked truck. Too bad, we won't be able to mount men on it or tow artillery with that version.  

I liked the idea of getting captured vehicles.

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#184: Re: winter war Author: Schmal_Turm,  Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:05 pm
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Right southernland, it was the BT series that the gun was placed on.

Good detective work.

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#185: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:34 pm
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PROGRESS.

14/64 maps left to complete initial coding on, most of the vehicles remodded but not put back into the file yet

really running on empty with this mod now.

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#186: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:42 am
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How is the progress and motivation on the Winter War these days guys?

What was the final version of the Stratmap?

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#187: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:41 am
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Currently

5/64 maps remain semi-coded, the others are done and have some testing done
New tank made but not tested or finalized
strat - done all the graphics

Tejszd has ported the mod over to tLD with only a few minor glitches

So essentially it needs
-map testing (plus completion of 5)
-strat map working
-tanks converted to tgas and put into the tanks.azp
-xtra BGs added or current BGs broken down to fit the 64 map environment

Unfortunately I run out of mojo.  I was labouring a bit anyway but fell sick 7 weeks ago and still not better - coughinmg for 7 weeks with no end in sight.  

I'm pretty much on the verge of pulling the plug

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#188: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:30 pm
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Thats great news! -So much work has been done on this conversion. SL you have to go see the doc and get well - 7 weeks coughing - Thats too long man.

Will Tejzd complete the work if you resign? - I really hope this one wont end up on the scrap yard...

If you want help or support for work or testing I am willing to lay down my projects to help out with this mod.

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#189: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:37 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

The BT 42 is what you mean I think, was only available after the winterwar 42-44 My plan is to add captured tanks via reinforcement (not quite sure if its possible as I imagine) but if you hold out from reinforcing some units until a certain time, after that you will start receiving penny packets of captured armour

That will work as LSA can add units based the date/turn. The player will not have to reinforce if you do not want them to....

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#190: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:38 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

Currently 5/64 maps remain semi-coded, the others are done and have some testing done New tank made but not tested or finalized strat - done all the graphics Tejszd has ported the mod over to tLD with only a few minor glitches So essentially it needs -map testing (plus completion of 5) -strat map working -tanks converted to tgas and put into the tanks.azp -xtra BGs added or current BGs broken down to fit the 64 map environment Unfortunately I run out of mojo.  I was labouring a bit anyway but fell sick 7 weeks ago and still not better - coughinmg for 7 weeks with no end in sight.   I'm pretty much on the verge of pulling the plug

Great progress Southernland!

I hope you feel better soon!

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#191: Re: winter war Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:55 pm
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Sweet!

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#192: Re: winter war Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:03 pm
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Looks like Matrix finally removed me as a fan


Thats OK


Because how funny is it that CC can get a Mod before thy create a game.

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#193: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:21 pm
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winter war is dead in the water guys.  seriously lacking enthusiasm

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#194: Re: winter war Author: reconscout, Location: U.S.A. Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:13 am
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Very sorry to hear that, I have enjoyed so much of your work in the past and was looking forward to this one. People like you have helped keep the game alive. The CC series of games are still my favorite after many years of playing them. CC3/COI being the best in my opinion.

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#195: Re: winter war Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:24 am
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southern_land, I am really sorry to hear of your lack of enthusiasm to continue work on Winter War.  Maybe you will find a new spark after a well-deserved break.  

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#196: Re: winter war Author: MajorFrank,  Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:04 pm
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Southern Land,

I'd like to thank you for the work you have done so far. As a Finn and it being the centennial celebration year of the independence of Finland, your work on this mod is appreciated.  

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#197: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:27 pm
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I see southernland.
One even needs enthusiasm to play CC. I am generally pulled into it, after watching wwii movies. At one instance, I watched "Dien Bien Phu", then I was in great need of an Indochina War mod.
"It would be great to see, you finish the mod one day.


Link

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#198: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:10 pm
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Its allright to get fed up. -  Take a break for a while - I hope the mod is not dead forever, as what has been shown of maps and graphics has been stunning ?

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#199: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:35 am
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I'm planning to revisit this mod shortly.  Sometime before Xmas I'll be off work for up to a month recuperating from surgery so will need something to do.  

So looking for help with the strat and the modding.

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#200: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:58 pm
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OK, so I took the offer to support SL and Tejzd with some work on this mod, namely the gruntwork of the stratmap. Make no mistake the graphics and design were done by SL.

The stratmap is currently working well in TLD, but need some polishing and touching up.
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#201: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:03 am
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That looks shiny. Nice Work and hope to play it once completed!

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#202: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:12 pm
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southern_land/ScnelleMeyer things are looking good!

I have converted the data and graphic files to TLD.

Issues/Outstanding;
Strat arrows (CC5 original Strat map not req'd any longer)
Uniform coding
TLD new features not setup
- air supply drops (Russians did this for surrounded troops)
- variable support by difficulty
- etc.

Edit: is the CCS FTP login our site ID/PWD as I can not connect to upload the TLD Winter War files?

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#203: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:32 am
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Thanks Tejszd.  Got the files, sorry i missed you

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#204: Re: winter war Author: salhexe,  Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:51 pm
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Any news?
there is hope for this mod?  

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#205: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:44 am
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No, I've run out of omfph on the whole CC front.  Haven't played a game since well before xmas.  Going to try and get organised to upload the files, particularly the 64 maps and turn them loose so they can be either used or someone else can complete the mod.  I'll try this week and announce it here if I succeed

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#206: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:12 am
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64 maps uploaded


58 stage one coded with ccIII elements, 6 still needing extra coding and LOS files (all could do with a final run through before final release)
A few tank and wreak images.


So we might as well do this right.  Anyone want to put their hands up to double check all the maps and finish coding the 6 ( names Muolaa, Sainio, Paamini Kelja laakso and Metsa) before general release so all maps will have identical coding?

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#207: Re: winter war Author: reconscout, Location: U.S.A. Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:58 pm
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          sounds great          

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#208: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:00 pm
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Thank you for all the effort and help with CC maps/mods Southern_Land!

With the maps we should probably upload the converted WinterWar mod too?

There are some tasks left but it is playable now and very close;
- strat map arrows
- uniform colours

Plus any new re-release features that someone wants to add....

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#209: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:56 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Thank you for all the effort and help with CC maps/mods Southern_Land! With the maps we should probably upload the converted WinterWar mod too? There are some tasks left but it is playable now and very close; - strat map arrows - uniform colours Plus any new re-release features that someone wants to add....

Sounds good Darren

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#210: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:46 pm
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Lets finish it guys.

Give me a few days and I will upload the finished stratmap , the de-brief map and gadgets.

Tejzd : About the Stratmap arrows, I was going to do them since I was working on the new strat anyways.

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#211: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:34 pm
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Stratmap is in a state i would consider finished for first release. It was a lot more work than I originally anticipated since the base graphics files had to be re-sized.
Now gadgets line up nicely without (too visible) glitches and the Stratmap graphics looks OK imo.
Polishing of the graphics is still possible ofc.
Scenario editor screen is also 95% done.

De-brief map gadgets need more work, they are about 80% done.
I added connections in Stratmap.txt according to the graphical representation on the strat.

Next task will be making the 128 stratmap connection arrows.

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#212: Re: winter war Author: southern_land,  Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:41 am
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very cool

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#213: Re: winter war Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:56 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

very cool

+1

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#214: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:07 am
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The stratmap looks good ScnelleMeyer!!!

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#215: Re: winter war Author: Hicks,  Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:09 am
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Thread needs some musical accompaniment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92eWefR0xV8

Strat map looks great!

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#216: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:11 pm
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Thanks guys. - The graphical work is Southern Lands doing and credits go to him. I have just polished some parts to make it work as a game stratmap.

Now work continues on stratmap arrows, converting SLs beautiful maps from CC3 to TLD coding, give them VLs and connect them correctly to the stratmap with .btd files.

After that I believe its time to check how the maps play, make any necessary coding changes and start making battles/OPS/Campaigns.

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#217: Re: winter war Author: salhexe,  Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:21 pm
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Just to enjoy the location, some pics of Mannerheim Line map from World of Tanks with Katiusha effects.

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#218: Re: winter war Author: ke_mechial,  Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:10 am
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I have been away for some time from CC, but I hope to play this new nice mod this summer

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#219: Re: winter war Author: Aetius,  Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:00 am
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Maps and strat look great.
Played the CC4 and CC5 winter war mods ages ago, would love to play this version to.
Anything i can do to help finish the mod?

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#220: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:02 pm
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Thanks for the offer we can't refuse Aetius. I will PM you mate.

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#221: Re: winter war Author: salhexe,  Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:42 pm
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All stopped?  

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#222: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:55 pm
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Yes, I am afraid it has been stopped for a good while Salhexe.

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#223: Re: winter war Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:53 pm
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Transfer it to me, I'll finish it.

Nice strat map, btw

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#224: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:53 am
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Was snooping around my CC Mods folders and found the Winter War TLD data and graphics that were converted to TLD to go to with the new maps (Southernland) and new strat layer (Southernland and ScnelleMeyer) that were being workied on.

I'll put in some time to finish the conversion so that the original CC5 mod can be played on TLD.

Issues/Outstanding;
Strat arrows (CC5 original Strat map not req'd any longer)
Uniform coding

TLD new features not setup;
- air supply drops (Russians did this for surrounded troops)
- variable support by difficulty
- etc.

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#225: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:39 pm
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Winter War CC5 Conversion to TLD

Issues/Outstanding;
Strat arrows - Fixed
Strat Debrief map layout - Fixed
Uniform coding
map connections; 6 to 0, 6 to 11 and 6 to 9 - investigating as CC states they are not adjacent but connections are defined in the BTD (50 point VL's) and Stratmap.txt files???
T38 shadow bigger than the tank
Map 08 Vuoksi house in middle map has no interior

TLD new features not setup;
- air supply drops (Russians did this for surrounded troops)
- variable support by difficulty - Started reading up on Air/Artillery support in the Winter War but will probably just use what CC5 had +/- to speed things up
- etc.

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#226: Re: winter war Author: salhexe,  Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:43 pm
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I hope you can do it.
I play very rarely now, but winter war after ardennes, is the best playable mod in ccs

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#227: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:27 pm
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Wow Tejszd!  -Thanks for resurrecting this one.
But please clarify: Are you finishing the version with the new maps and strat or are you converting the classic CC5 with its strat and maps?

Btw I also send you a PM on Matrix forums - did it get through?

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#228: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:08 pm
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ScnelleMeyer wrote (View Post):

Wow Tejszd!  -Thanks for resurrecting this one. But please clarify: Are you finishing the version with the new maps and strat or are you converting the classic CC5 with its strat and maps? Btw I also send you a PM on Matrix forums - did it get through?

Just converting the CC5 Winter War mod to TLD so there will not be a new strat layer. I did send Southernland a PM asking if he still has any of the new Winter War maps he was working on and if they are close to existing locations to freshen things up a bit.

Just checked the Matrix Inbox and see your PM. I'll read it and respond....

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#229: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 5:36 pm
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Unfortunately the new Winter War maps that Southernland previewed in this thread are gone....

below is his reply to a request to see some new Korsun maps for a mod Drizzt was working;

southern_land wrote (View Post):

Had a computer crash.  He has the everything - lost those, all the winter war ones and a bunch I was doing for a Korsun mod

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#230: Re: winter war Author: ScnelleMeyer,  Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 5:49 pm
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No Tejszd, the Winter war maps are not gone. He uploaded everything on Mediafire remember? - Well 9 maps is missing but 55 of them are there. They just need TLD coding, BTDs and testing.
The maps missing can be substituted by some of the originals.

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#231: Re: winter war Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:38 am
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Thanks for the reminder about them being uploaded ScnelleMeyer!

I found the information about where we were sharing files and downloaded 49 maps (there were some duplicates so its a few less than it looks like at first glance).

Update:
map connections; 6 to 0, 6 to 11 and 6 to 9 - investigating as CC states they are not adjacent but connections are defined in the BTD (50 point VL's) and Stratmap.txt files??? - Fixed
Map coding of building walls are not solid - in progress

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#232: Re: winter war Author: Astalon,  Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:35 am
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Thanks for the reminder about them being uploaded ScnelleMeyer! I found the information about where we were sharing files and downloaded 49 maps (there were some duplicates so its a few less than it looks like at first glance). Update: map connections; 6 to 0, 6 to 11 and 6 to 9 - investigating as CC states they are not adjacent but connections are defined in the BTD (50 point VL's) and Stratmap.txt files??? - Fixed Map coding of building walls are not solid - in progress

I'm really looking forward to this - thanks for all of your hard work Tejszd. The maps look fantastic - such as the heavily wooded areas and large frozen lakes.

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