mooxe wrote (View Post): |
So you're saying Trump's people were being wiretapped before the campaign? |
sod98 wrote (View Post): | ||
Bad wording by me - surveillance, investigate.....what ever you want to call it. Electronic surveillance at the very least. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11812666 |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
The NZ Herald summarizes whats going on and offers no proof of its own, or proof of wiretapping. Also says they have no evidence. |
mick_xe5 wrote (View Post): |
The Russians hacked the election to help Trump. Although flat-earthers in the White House and elsewhere continue to dispute this, it is a generally accepted conclusion within the greater narrative of this scandal. Further, damning allegations that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians in this effort are agonizingly being borne out as denials of Russian communication with campaign associates are proven false and new channels of contact between them become known.
While such communication would not be in itself criminal, the Steele dossier alleges that quid pro quos were exchanged for the Russian interference, in particular "to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and raise US/NATO defence commitments to deflect attention away from Ukraine". The Trump campaign executed both of these actions during the GOP convention when Trump's now infamous comments questioning US commitment to NATO in the Baltics were made, and the campaign led the GOP platform committee to soften its support for Ukraine. In the latter case Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort, a figure with extensive ro-Russian involvement in Ukraine, categorically denied any effort by the campaign to change the GOP platform - "It absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign," Manafort told NBC's "Meet the Press". However, a week ago JD Gordon, a campaign staffer at the convention who previously denied participation on the Ukraine issue, admitted he "advocated for the GOP platform to include language against arming Ukrainians against pro-Russian rebels". Hard to credit Manafort's lie then as anything other than part of a continuing effort to cover up campaign collusion with the Russians. As the investigative noose tightens more relatively low-level dupes like Gordon will come forward with corroborating evidence as they seek to distance themselves from what will become a historic political Chernobyl. The void of evidence following Trump's tweets accusing Obama posits that the intelligence community developed information on the core charge of collusion in the course of what would otherwise be considered routine counterintelligence activities were it not for the fact that a US presidential candidate was involved. To paraphrase Deep Throat's 'just follow the money' in Watergate, the IC followed the Russians revolving around Trump. It's going to be a bloodbath as the stakes have reached the level that the players, individual and institutional, aren't just gambling reputations, careers and potential incarceration but also which side of history to be on. I fake pity poor Mike Pence who is looking at becoming an incumbent president with little chance of even being the next nominee for what will be an unviable national party. |
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