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#1: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:01 am
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An interesting read - https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/09/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-attack-into-question/

Off Guardian is a pretty good source and associated to the Guardian.

#2: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: southern_land,

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:40 am
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can we suggest operation canned goods is alive and well and operating out of Syria?

#3: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:35 am
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

can we suggest operation canned goods is alive and well and operating out of Syria?

Very true. Just like the myth of the white helmets - saviors..................Al Nusra.

#4: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: southern_land,

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:11 am
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One might even suggest that using an old Soviet nerve gas (that various western elements were paid to dispose off after Glasnost) to kill a dissident might be stretching credibility just a tad

#5: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:46 pm
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southern_land wrote (View Post):

One might even suggest that using an old Soviet nerve gas (that various western elements were paid to dispose off after Glasnost) to kill a dissident might be stretching credibility just a tad

Well if you are asked for a sample of that nerve agent by the people you are accusing and can't give it. There certainly would be an issue of credibility. Esp given their recent issues with the backing up of the WMD lies. Also interesting to note how the Govt and media both claim the nerve agent was Russian made yet it was USSR made and the facility was based in Uzbekistan. Like you say the facility was cleaned up post Cold War by the US. So others certainly had access to the formula. I guess that's why Russia wants a sample as there are different ways to make this substance and could lead to the real protagonists.

Sadly again time won't tell and the truth doesn't matter.

#6: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:13 pm
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https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/105521/Report17.pdf
Read p.24 . Yes, that`s written by 'inventor' of 'weapon'

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/CSP/RC-3/en/rc3wp01_e_.pdf
UN not knew, was 'weapon' ever exists, or not. But Britain like had full knowledge about, and hide it from UN.

I think, we (russia) now should poison Theresa May herself, openly and publiclly, it will hurt us no harder that already, and next time someone will think twice before such claims.

Picture just as remark. Everyone can google, what is placed in Porton Down.

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#7: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:05 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/105521/Report17.pdf
Read p.24 . Yes, that`s written by 'inventor' of 'weapon'

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/CSP/RC-3/en/rc3wp01_e_.pdf
UN not knew, was 'weapon' ever exists, or not. But Britain like had full knowledge about, and hide it from UN.

I think, we (russia) now should poison Theresa May herself, openly and publiclly, it will hurt us no harder that already, and next time someone will think twice before such claims.

Picture just as remark. Everyone can google, what is placed in Porton Down.

Great info. It's the games Empires and in particular failing Empires play - disinformation is the new battlefield. Well it has been for sometime really.

#8: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:57 pm
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-poison/nerve-agent-planted-in-luggage-of-russian-agents-daughter-the-telegraph-idUKKCN1GS0NN

Quite believable, from where toxin comes: 2000 miles from Russia in luggage via numerous checkpoints and unpredictable wait for unpacking, or twelve miles from Skripal house by road, h-m.

#9: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:51 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-poison/nerve-agent-planted-in-luggage-of-russian-agents-daughter-the-telegraph-idUKKCN1GS0NN

Quite believable, from where toxin comes: 2000 miles from Russia in luggage via numerous checkpoints and unpredictable wait for unpacking, or twelve miles from Skripal house by road, h-m.

Exactly. Just the other day the Daily Mail were saying the Nerve Agent was smeared over their Skripal's car door handles. Now the luggage but still not providing any sample. A sample could prove the origins or disprove. It's starting to look more like another WMD's sage - trial by media then action.

#10: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:05 pm
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Wow, now the gas comes from car ventilation - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/18/ex-russian-spy-may-have-been-poisoned-by-cars-ventilation-says-us-media . Flowers, cars, luggage, door bells - Britain clearly degraded from Sherlock Holmes times.

#11: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:20 pm
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So the U.K. govt wants to kill Russian nationals living in exile or what would be the motive for killing Putin critics? Is RT or other Russian media trying to claim Russian nationals living in exile are victims of Yankee or British imperialism? It's like the govt wants to relive the glory days of Cold War era.

fake news right? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-exile-valery-morozov-gets-death-threat-after-skripal-glushkov-2018-3

"..A Russian exile living in Britain says he has received death threats saying that people who poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal are coming for him. Valery Morozov, a 63-year-old who fled Russia after exposing what he said were corrupt business practices, said that he received threats to his life via anonymous, encrypted emails. Skripal was exposed to Novichok, a Russian-made nerve agent, which left him in critical condition in hospital and sparked a major diplomatic rift between London and Moscow. Not long after he was poisoned, Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov was found dead in his London home in what police now believe was a murder. Glushkov had earlier warned that he was on a Kremlin hit list."

The only other evidence is from Russian state owned media report whom claimed he "stole" $100M from Russian company. Well why not seek extradition via U.K. govt to bring him back to Russia to stand trial?

#12: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:25 am
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dj wrote (View Post):

So the U.K. govt wants to kill Russian nationals living in exile or what would be the motive for killing Putin critics? Is RT or other Russian media trying to claim Russian nationals living in exile are victims of Yankee or British imperialism? It's like the govt wants to relive the glory days of Cold War era.

fake news right? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-exile-valery-morozov-gets-death-threat-after-skripal-glushkov-2018-3

"..A Russian exile living in Britain says he has received death threats saying that people who poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal are coming for him. Valery Morozov, a 63-year-old who fled Russia after exposing what he said were corrupt business practices, said that he received threats to his life via anonymous, encrypted emails. Skripal was exposed to Novichok, a Russian-made nerve agent, which left him in critical condition in hospital and sparked a major diplomatic rift between London and Moscow. Not long after he was poisoned, Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov was found dead in his London home in what police now believe was a murder. Glushkov had earlier warned that he was on a Kremlin hit list."

The only other evidence is from Russian state owned media report whom claimed he "stole" $100M from Russian company. Well why not seek extradition via U.K. govt to bring him back to Russia to stand trial?

It's about proof and to date once again no sample given to Russia. Britain asked the question and received an answer. They continue to accuse but the burden of proof now lays with them to show. GB like the US has a history of creating falsehoods to suit foreign policy - WMD's, Sarin gas attacks, Operation Unthinkable and many others.

These ex spies have gone by their use by date for their new host countries, but could serve them one more time it appears. Why hasn't the Brit Govt been more open and honest about the countries who have the ability to make the nerve agent as GB, USA and four or five others countries can as well as Russia. Calling the nerve agent a Russia nerve agent at best is disingenuous as it was made in the USSR in Uzbekistan. Failing with the sample and even refusing a Russian request though the UN speaks volumes.

You say Putin is a clever in spying and election interference etc but stupid enough to do something like this before the Russian elections and the FIFA World Cup............lol. Timing is everything and nothing happens by accident in foreign affairs if you apply common sense.........that could be asking to much from you. I do feel sorry for you.

#13: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:02 am
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Contempt. Sod's greatest asset.

#14: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:45 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Contempt. Sod's greatest asset.

Of fools, gullible people and weak minded - yes. Feel free to add your name to that list mooxe. Unless you have something to add to this comments sections other than your insecurities.

#15: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:55 am
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What about the paranoid?

#16: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:05 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

What about the paranoid?

Once again you are not adding anything but your lack of judgement. Calm down down mooxe and watch another CNN release on Russian interference or poisoning. You are losing it again.

#17: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:20 am
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If I say too much. You acting as God will censor me again. So you are best to stick to the topic for a change. But only comment if you have something worth stating.........also for a change.

Tells us what you think about the chem attacks in other words......does that help you.

#18: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm
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sod98 wrote (View Post):

An interesting read - https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/09/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-attack-into-question/

Off Guardian is a pretty good source and associated to the Guardian.

Associated to The Guardian in that people who are banned from or unhappy with The Guardian head to off-guardian.org to bash Guardian articles. Its mostly opinion pieces and summary articles stitching together a collection of other news site reporting to support their opinions, no journalists at all. No facts of their own investigating, just facts interpreted from the web.

#19: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm
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Cui prodest?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/15/uk-set-up-48m-chemical-weapons-defence-centre-gavin-williamson

#20: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:06 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

sod98 wrote (View Post):

" other news site reporting to support their opinions ". - read what you just said. Other News sites releases. No different to other medias just using their journalists. Opinions are from the readers and news sites like most MSM. You need to stop making things up. Off Guardian is associated to through it's use of many Guardian articles through agreement of supply. Do a little more research. The article I have used is just one from nearly every MSM and other sources. Using one sources leaves a person with a narrow point of view. Like yours and DJ. Cherry pick your articles just like the facts that you use.

I think you will find most media now use each other articles these days - it's cheaper as most medias are owned by the same groups.

#21: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:07 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Cui prodest?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/15/uk-set-up-48m-chemical-weapons-defence-centre-gavin-williamson

When is a sample going to be provided to Russia.

#22: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:55 pm
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Its nothing more than a blog site. The owner seems to have a beef with the Guardian, and the users to. I wouldn't say its a good source for anything.

"Cherry pick your articles just like the facts that you use."

I don't know what facts I am using to warrant that statement. All I know is this blog site that carries a massive slant is in your eyes, a good source.

#23: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:54 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Its nothing more than a blog site. The owner seems to have a beef with the Guardian, and the users to. I wouldn't say its a good source for anything.

"Cherry pick your articles just like the facts that you use."

I don't know what facts I am using to warrant that statement. All I know is this blog site that carries a massive slant is in your eyes, a good source.

Do you doubt that articles accuracy. Do you doubt they get some of their info from the Guardian. William Craddick who published this article on OffGuardian is an investigative journalist, if you do a little checking. But going by your statement this site is just a blog.............lol. William Craddick was they first to disclose the Silsby Trafficking Scandal - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-laura-silsby/

Not bad for a blogger, banned Guardian poster etc............lol. Granted not all of their stories meet good journalism. But what media's does these days. Even the WH is commenting on the state of the MSM's bias and untruthful reporting.

#24: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:30 am
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sod98 wrote (View Post):

not all of their stories meet good journalism

The sites standard in journalism reflects on the accuracy of the article.

#25: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:59 am
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Sod has the most wonky, obscure sources for news in the history of news. Duh of course the "WH" aka Donald constantly complains about "mainstream" news because they do real journalism or even heaven forbid investigative journalism with sources that actually work at the WH. You must really be a professional troll with censored media only allowed to access wonky news sources.

Valery Morozov is not a "spy". Rather a whistle blower, his only alleged wrong doing is complaining about corrupt business practices in Russia. Hardly enough to justify death threats from anonymous encrypted emails. Did you read that article on BI? He is a real regular Russian guy whom fled Russia like many others that moved to U.S.

Estimated 14 death linked to Russian State or Russian Mafia:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.vf2Gl6qbk#.csY3gr08m

#26: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:03 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

sod98 wrote (View Post):

not all of their stories meet good journalism

The sites standard in journalism reflects on the accuracy of the article.

mooxe that's right. The standard of that article was accurate and by a investigative journalist something most MSM don't have anymore. Well done and you even recognized that they have journalists.

DJ - where do I begin. First you say I'm indulging in far right web sites and now calling this socialist website wonky without any checking. You have stated that I must be a Russian troll and that I'm not from NZ. You are more confused that Bradley Manning. I do believe this posting was one of the first from a non MSM site. Does that worry you guys more than the truth. As that's what they have published. I guess you and mooxe have had issues with the truth and not being able to admit your mistakes in the past.

Valery Morozov - who cares what he is. Has he proof or is evidence enough that they make these baseless claims for you to believe.

mooxe and Dj - once again looking forward to you guys saying that you were wrong. The article is accurate and by a investigative journalist. Off Guardian is associated through supply of articles. Man up or DJ just admit.

#27: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:32 pm
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Off-guardian.com is as associated with theguardian.com as any random blog is quoting BBC articles. What does theguardian.com say about its association with off-guardian.com? You're seemingly trying to lend credence to off-guardian.com by stating its associated with theguardian.com which is a trusted news source in order to validate your point of view while at the same time bashing MSM for poor journalism. This is a paradox.

#28: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:08 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Off-guardian.com is as associated with theguardian.com as any random blog is quoting BBC articles. What does theguardian.com say about its association with off-guardian.com? You're seemingly trying to lend credence to off-guardian.com by stating its associated with theguardian.com which is a trusted news source in order to validate your point of view while at the same time bashing MSM for poor journalism. This is a paradox.

No, I have replied to your post " The Guardian head to off-guardian.org to bash Guardian articles. Its mostly opinion pieces and summary articles stitching together a collection of other news ". And " just facts interpreted from the web ". I have shown that to be untrue just by that one article where OG is associated to the Guardian and an investigative journalist wrote the article. Man up mooxe, you challenged OG's status of journalism. I have proved once again that you were wrong using wiki as your source of research. The banned members of the Guardian joining OG - I wouldn't know but you must have some info on that...........surely.

Calm down mooxe........admit you got this wrong too. I have supplied evidence that you can check, now run off and check it.................lol.

#29: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:42 pm
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This linked article from your first post is from disobedientmedia.com and shared with off-guardian.com.

Quote:

The site is our own work, and is not supported by any governments, institutions or pressure groups.

Quote:

OffGuardian is the creation of people from different parts of the world committed to the original vision which drew us together on The Guardian‘s CiF pages. We followed with dismay and disappointment the increasingly distorted and tendentious news reporting on Libya, the proxy-war in Syria, and the Ukraine Crisis. Tired of being censored by our beloved, once-upon-a-time left-of-centre newspaper, in February 2015 we decided to create our own platform for airing our unacceptable opinions.

So as they even state, they are (ex)users of theguardian.com who created their own website. No association other then them being users of another site. If you read the comments around the site you can see users commenting on how they are banned at other sites.

Quote:

And we’ll be doing our little best to remind our mainstream media, including The Guardian itself, that this is supposed to be their duty. They probably won’t listen, but we’ll keep saying it anyway.

They probably won't listen. To me it doesn't sound like they are associated with theguardian.com. Each paragraph in their about page suggests they have a problem with theguardian.com. It seems the sites main purpose is to drive a thorn in the side of theguardian.com.

So once again, this good source of news as you call it, is not much more than a nice looking one or two man operation using Wordpress for a news blog hosted at godaddy.com with 380,000 other websites hosted on the same server.

#30: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:53 pm
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Disobedientmedia.com on the other hand looks more credible. They have staff listed at the very least. However, William Craddick's past post history has been called into question and is worth looking into. Which has been done... https://www.stopfake.org/en/spread-it-on-reddit-how-a-fake-story-about-angela-merkel-led-to-a-far-right-cluster-on-reddit/.

#31: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:57 am
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Thanks, you proved my point. You "lost" the argument when you had to resort to name calling and showed utter lack of basic knowledge. You are as much NZ as I am Eskimo. It's NOT about Partisan news sources that are "left wing" or "right wing". That defeats the whole purpose of journalism. The only thing that matters are the facts, no spinning info to suit agendas. Most people cite news from NPR, BBC, or other credible news sources that are fact-checked and with sources. You constantly conflate blogs, obscure sites or YouTube videos with facts. Is there some reason why?

Who cares about Morozov? Really? I care about him. He should be free to express his opinions about corrupt business practices in Russia as a Russian national. If you actually took time to read the article you can see he did in fact report the threatening emails. Hello? If they had to be sent anonymously and encrypted it's obvious they wanted to threaten him. You can invent your own opinions, but you can't invent your owns facts. Even if they get in the way of your ideological agendas. Morozov did show the evidence.

As far as sample of the chemicals used in attack. Do you really expect UK government to ship sample of extremely dangerous substance back to Leningrad labs? Who else would want to attempt assassination of all these Russian nationals in UK?

sod98 wrote (View Post):

mooxe wrote (View Post):

sod98 wrote (View Post):

not all of their stories meet good journalism

The sites standard in journalism reflects on the accuracy of the article.

#32: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:31 am
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They are associated to the Guardian through their supply of articles like I have been saying. Also like I have said, that article was written by an Investigative journalist. Something that you denied but I have shown again that you were wrong. I can agree that me saying Off Guardian was a " pretty good " site shows it's not 100% if you look up an explanation of pretty good / fair. Once again I hope that helps you mooxe. Are you now doubting the Guardian who some of their articles come from, please give your reasons. Or are you doubt the English language or am I again presenting the truth that you have issues with - the truth. I believe you have issues with meanings of words. But that comes down to schooling and education or the lack of.

Do either of you doubt this articles accuracy as I have asked before but once again you refused to answer by saying nothing about that. Do you disagree that William Craddick is an Investigative Journalist. He first bought to light the issue of human trafficking of teens from Haiti post their disaster if you check. Something the Clinton's would like to forget with their association with this issue . Like most media they do print false news and WAPO, NYT and many others are excused from that - WMD's in Iraq and Sarin Gas use by Assad's Syria to white helmets being the good guys etc. That's why I have always stated reading media from many sources.

DJ read what I said " Valery Morozov - who cares what he is". Back on topic - so who can you proof threatened him...........evidence.... it was from Russia or was it some underworld businessmen - all speculation. He can't prove it was from Moscow or from his neighbor. Saying something is often different to reality DJ. What better way to set someone up. Also, if you are going to kill someone after all of the public backlash over the nerve agent business , would you send them threatening letters etc............lol. That's pure fantasy but some people will believe anything.

Both mooxe and DJ need to learn meanings of words and read what is in front of them and not what their paranoid minds tells them what they want to see. You guys are embarrassing themselves further. Thanks for the laughs again guys.

#33: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:41 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Cui prodest?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/15/uk-set-up-48m-chemical-weapons-defence-centre-gavin-williamson

You are so right. I just can't understand how naive and gullible some people are to what is a fact. Just the docket issue shows how little people understand law within their own country. Also how saying or changing a name can give the wrong illusion for the right effect - Russian nerve agent - USSR ( Uzbekistan ). And forgetting to mention all countries that are capable of making that agent.

DJ's comment that Britain doesn't need to give a sample is just naive. Britain accused Russia, they have denied guilt. They are asking England now to provide a sample to clear them. As I understand it. The nerve agent has a signature that can confirm details of manufacture. Could be the reason Britain won't give it to them.

#34: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:28 am
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I absolutely doubt the article. William Craddick's reputation has been called into question previously in the link I posted. Since you label him as an investigative journalist, where did he travel to and who did he speak with to form any facts in this article? Nowhere and nobody! Apply the same questions to his Haiti article. This is a stitched together opinion article. The fact is, his article is an opinion.

#35: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:38 pm
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Strange things in media continues:

Farther of poisoned in 2006 Litvinenko made statement on TV, that his son was poisoned by CIA agent, and make friendship with suspected (by Britain) killer:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazeta.ru%2Fsocial%2F2018%2F03%2F21%2F11690293.shtml&edit-text=

Russian state media back-edited interview with another 'father' of 'Novichok' weaponry:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fruposters.ru%2Fnews%2F20-03-2018%2Fotredaktirovalo-intervyu-razrabotchikom

One of Rink statements was that is impossible to transfer armed Novichok in luggage. Now, due to back-editing, all information provided by him should be treatened with caution.

#36: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:06 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

I absolutely doubt the article. William Craddick's reputation has been called into question previously in the link I posted. Since you label him as an investigative journalist, where did he travel to and who did he speak with to form any facts in this article? Nowhere and nobody! Apply the same questions to his Haiti article. This is a stitched together opinion article. The fact is, his article is an opinion.

What happened to your attack on the " pretty good " that's right i stared you into another trap.....................lol. And do I see - sorry sod I was wrong........no.

If you want that info send him a email like you can to all medias. And here we are once again you are questioning his Haiti article. Go back to being the janitor mooxe. I trying to stop you making a bigger fool of yourself but you keep digging that hole. Calm down and pour yourself a warm milk drink. Take a few deep breaths. You believe WAPO and sorts who report what these moderate rebels are saying through the SOFHR. They have been discredited as being a one man band out of a little house in Britain..............lol. And that was several years ago and they are still being used. How many times over the years have I had to show links and info to mooxe and DJ just to get - no reply. Do your own donkey work. You are pathetic.

Get back on topic and stop embarrassing yourself further. At least as the janitor you didn't appear stupid, naive and gullible. Where is Citrus.

#37: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 pm
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sod98 wrote (View Post):

So far I have not taken an opinion on any article referenced in this thread. I have given my opinion of the websites and people posting to them. To summarize, off-guardian.com is not a legitimate news source or a pretty good source for news, its an opinion blog. Disobedientmedia.com is a more professional looking site with staff but the co-founders credibility has been called into question. William Craddick's article your posted claim no sources other than news websites and show no attempts to contact actual witnesses or people involved. After having your good source scrutinized you could only resort to personal attacks which were;

#38: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:55 am
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So far I have not taken an opinion on any article referenced in this thread. I have given my opinion of the websites and people posting to them. To summarize, off-guardian.com is not a legitimate news source or a pretty good source for news, its an opinion blog. Disobedientmedia.com is a more professional looking site with staff but the co-founders credibility has been called into question. William Craddick's article your posted claim no sources other than news websites and show no attempts to contact actual witnesses or people involved. After having your good source scrutinized you could only resort to personal attacks which were;

My comment about you showing contempt for others on this site is well proven by you, proven beyond a reasonable doubt just in this one thread. In fact, mostly every reply you make in response to an opposing view is so riddled with insulting rhetoric that your credibility here has been ruined. Its such a common theme with you that's its worth addressing and not off topic.

Do you care to explain why you act like this?[/quote]

You state that you have not taken an opinion - no investigative Journalist - William Craddick like him, hate him or disagree with some of his articles is a investigative journalist. " Since you label him as an investigative journalist, where did he travel to and who did he speak with to form any facts in this article " - look up what an investigative journalist does. Some scour documents, interview parties from all side, interrupt videos and pics, visit sites of interest etc. You seem to have a very shallow idea of an investigative journalist. Craddick is a free lance IJ which means he writes for many medias. How more can I help you or do you still know better.............lol,.

" Contempt. Sod's greatest asset ". If you don't like me labeling you naive, gullible etc which you are by the way, don't through the first stones then cry about it. I believe it's better to give than to receive. Off the topic - you have been so far off topic for most of this thread it shows how one sided your views are. Not to mention how you refuse to admit when wrong - Remember the tranny's in the US military saga and this one. You have labled me anti American when giving facts that you don't like..........I'm not crying. Your point of view.

In future I suggest if you don't like the rocks I throw don't throw the first pebble..........or just harden up snowflake. Remember you threw the first one I just returned the gesture.

As a janitor on this site you do a marvelous job. As a comments man.....do a little more research, esp on the meaning of words - pretty good.......I was wondering what you meant by those comments as it appeared you were agreeing with me then not......lol. Don't take what I have written out of context but in the correct meaning of it.

#39: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:36 am
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mooxe in fairness I also called you - weak minded
- feeble minded
- god, as in god syndrome
- also that you refuse to admit when wrong ( a narcissist )

Some meanings of " pretty good " - usual, decent, adequate, reasonable, satisfactory,average, common, middling, moderate, ordinary etc etc....you get the drift.

#40: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: sod98,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:43 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Strange things in media continues:

Farther of poisoned in 2006 Litvinenko made statement on TV, that his son was poisoned by CIA agent, and make friendship with suspected (by Britain) killer:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazeta.ru%2Fsocial%2F2018%2F03%2F21%2F11690293.shtml&edit-text=

Russian state media back-edited interview with another 'father' of 'Novichok' weaponry:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fruposters.ru%2Fnews%2F20-03-2018%2Fotredaktirovalo-intervyu-razrabotchikom

One of Rink statements was that is impossible to transfer armed Novichok in luggage. Now, due to back-editing, all information provided by him should be treatened with caution.

Great articles once again. Certainly paints a different picture and contains more background info to the western narrative. Cheers

#41: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:21 am
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Sod, I believe that you will continue to contribute to this site negatively if I don't step in. Focus on the sites theme for any further contribution.

#42: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:33 pm
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Another 'farther' of 'Novichok' comes to light:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebell.io%2Frazrabotchik-novichka-vladimir-uglev-partii-sostavlyali-ot-20-grammov-do-neskolkih-kilogrammov%2F&edit-text=

His interview contained controversity, some even marked by editors. I can only wonder, why all that people keeped silence for years, and now talks with journalists so freely? If Novichok exists, and Russian government used it against traitors, don`t they should be scared to be next victims?

Then, some of fled Russian businessmen and politics in Britain got warnings for risks to their lives from, seems like British secret services:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.svoboda.org%2Fa%2F29115294.html
https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kompravda.eu%2Fdaily%2F26809.4%2F3844667%2F&lang=ru-en

Both sites are well-known propaganda thrash dumps, so better wait for details.

#43: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:49 pm
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WOW:

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2018/march/06/180306-toxic-storm-for-royal-marines-in-major-chemical-exercise

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/defence-science-and-technology-laboratory

Quote:

Headquarters
Porton Down
Salisbury
Wiltshire

No comments neded...

#44: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:32 am
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Makes no sense.. So you think the Russian nationals whom fled to England faked threats or were planted by U.K. to make Putin regime look bad, or what would be the motive for these Russians in England to fake threats? As far as timing, it coincides with the assignation attempt and the other Russians reporting to authorities. There is a long history of this behavior by Putin regime. You cross him especially if Russian, he'll may you pay. Sergei Magnitsky died in a Moscow prison in 2009. I wonder how that happened...maybe an "accident"? I heard that infuriated Putin when U.S. passed that law in honor of the lawyer who died in jail on bogus charges. Browder's father fyi was head of American Communist Party, hardly an enemy of Russia.

#45: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:14 am
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And just fyi - U.S. Secretary of State Tillerson was fired only a few days after he wrote letter of condemnation against Russia for the attack in U.K. Also the National Security Advisor was fired just a few days after he complained about Russian actions in Syria. Coincidence?

#46: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:40 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Sod, I believe that you will continue to contribute to this site negatively if I don't step in. Focus on the sites theme for any further contribution.

From the peanut gallery.........

Mooxe you have always allowed a long leash here with politics etc, I hope that doesnt change. I do enjoy the "debate"

Having said that I also say there is no need for the personal attacks you have taken, it's your site and you dont need to justify what you do.

Sod98, pull your head in, we're a CC game site and most people don't really give a fuck about your dodgy websites and your "I know more than you" bullshit.

You're just another one in a long line of cut 'n paste cowboys we've seen around here.

If you're here to convince a bunch of grown adults that everything they think is wrong, you're wasting your time, sorry.

#47: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:52 am
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dj wrote (View Post):

what would be the motive for these Russians in England to fake threats?

Well, the most common conspiracy theory in Russia (supported by provided Svoboda&Kompravda articles) is that Theresa May government trying to conceal negative Brexit effects with accentuate on foreign threat (who said 'Putinism-style'?), at same time advancing in expel of 'dirty' Russian money from Britain to show support with US neo-cons. So they poison Skripal (at time of largest chemical military training, that explains why unprotected police&firemans watch so phlegmatic on Porton Down executives in chem protection suits on crime scene - that's because they already seen same scenes for three weeks of military drills at Salisbury and perceived it just as another training exersize), and then make threats to some other Russians 'you will be next' to make them pack their bags and flee far from Britain

#48: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:11 am
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dj wrote (View Post):

Sergei Magnitsky died in a Moscow prison in 2009. I wonder how that happened...maybe an "accident"? I heard that infuriated Putin when U.S. passed that law in honor of the lawyer who died in jail on bogus charges. Browder's father fyi was head of American Communist Party, hardly an enemy of Russia.

That was another troublesome case. It was confirmed three things already:

- Bill Browder had close ties with Britain MI6, again confirmed during his 2017 testimony before the US Senate. He denounced other former MI6 agent Christopher Steele , based on own experience in collaboration with British secret services.
- Sergei Magnitsky never was a lawyer, he had only degree in economics, and worked only as finance auditor. No account of his legal activites was registered until his detention.
- As Magnitski`s colleagues testified in court, he was on a middle-position in Browder firm, and meets with Browder only two or three times, each time only accompanied some of higher executives. So any post-mortem Browder claims of Sergey as his close friend are lies.

Magnitsky was a serf soldier in battlefield, unlikely Putin even knew about his very existence before his tragic death in prison.

#49: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:59 am
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Propaganda planted by Putin to spin the story...why would Browder want to collaborate with MI6 to kills Sergei? Here is the uncensored info:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/world/europe/russia-sergei-magnitsky-william-browder.html

"...The theory was first floated in a documentary broadcast on Russian state television last year, but widely brushed off as crude propaganda. It seemed aimed, as with many Russian disinformation campaigns, at muddying the waters around the issue without necessarily claiming to be credible.

It seems the prosecutors have been assembling the case since last year, but their activities came to light just this month when a lawyer representing Mr. Magnitsky’s family gained access to the court docket containing the information presented as evidence by the (Russian Government) prosecutors. ...Prosecutors contend that Mr. Browder had colluded with an agent of Britain’s foreign intelligence agency, MI6, “to cause the death of S. L. Magnitsky,” by persuading Russian prison doctors to withhold care."

#50: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:26 pm
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Agreed, looks weird. Although, after http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870194/How-government-infiltrated-Cuban-HIP-HOP-botched-attempt-overthrow-communist-government.html , about what exactly we can say 'unbelievable'?

#51: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:23 pm
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Please keep in mind Putin is EXPERT manipulator fluent in German, spent years in Intelligence business worked stationed in East Germany. He is an absolute master of dis-information & propaganda. Here is another Ex-KGB agent speaks perfect English whom verified these threats were real. His name is Boris Karpichkov. He too was Serf soldier loyal to USSR. Now speaks out about the hit list. The assassination list included Karpichkov, Browder, Steele (former MI6), Vladimir Rezun and others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-ex-spy-told-he-was-on-kremlin-hit-list/ar-AAvgQur?li=BBnbcA1&srcref=rss&ocid=iehrs

And here is the video taped interview with Karpichkov: http://www.msnbc.com/onassignment

#52: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:40 am
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We all know Putin`s biography, although there are two common mistakes, to one (sometimes - to both, in same page!) of which often falls media & politics:

1. Putin is ~~Superman~~ Lex Luthor, titan & genius, who watch everything, control everyone, make plans for years, and so on...
2. Putin is Arch-Villan, evil angry mobster, driven by misanthropic emotional impulses, who kill just for fun and then hellish laugh about.

Same tropes also often used against Assad... In reality, peoples are NOT like any of that. There is a great book about Saddam Hussein, 'Interrogating Dictator', please read it and do some homework, comparing public statements about him in western media with book content. I can also recommend series of publications 'Japanese Monographs ?? 144, 146, 147, 150, 152. Political Strategy Prior to Outbreak of War', always use it in case of someones groundless declarations about 'Japan wanted war with US in 1941'.

Considering 'Death Lists'... Rezun wanted for, like, 40 years to nowdays, his death sentence is still active in Russia, but he alive, futhermore, his books made a 10-million sales in Russia. Nothing happens with Browder himself for ten years. It looks like Karpichkov, another 'depleted spy' (as was Skripal), tries to get some attention and money from other`s tragedy and media hype.

#53: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:08 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs

This definitely will hurt Russia weapon sales...who need 'deadly' weapons that can`t kill anyone?

https://news.sky.com/story/nerve-agent-attack-johnson-faces-questions-over-porton-down-claim-11315840

Exacly as 'novichok' ?reator wrote in past, substance was planned as untraceable, suitable for production from components of commercial fertilizer plants yield.

#54: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:17 pm
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/06/europe/sergei-skripal-cat-guinea-pigs-dead-intl/index.html

But Britain have no interest in destroying evidences, right? 30 states over the world belive to Britain, there is no place to lie? Or...

#55: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:16 am
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All i can say: once again

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dozens-dead-in-possible-gas-attack-in-syria-regime-denies-allegation/ar-AAvBu8K?ocid=spartandhp

#56: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:05 pm
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French 'Casus belli':
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/180414_-_syria_-fr_national_assessment-_english-version_cle0c76b5.pdf (main link)
http://go.ynet.co.il/pic/news/s_14_4.pdf - mirror (cause original blocked for access from some countries, including Russia - taste of freedom, you know)

#57: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:32 am
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OPCW did the inspection of just striked Barzah research center year ago: https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/85/en/ec85dg16_e_.pdf

Code:

8. Not all areas were inspected during these first inspections. However, in each of the
selected areas, all rooms within the building, structure, or area were inspected in
accordance with paragraph 11 of EC-83/DEC.5. The inspected State Party provided
the necessary cooperation during the inspections and provided access for the
inspectors to all selected areas.
9. Four samples were taken by the inspection team, at locations selected by the
inspectors (two from each SSRC facility). The samples were removed from site and
subsequently analysed at two OPCW-designated laboratories. Results of the analysis
indicated that there were no scheduled chemicals present in the samples.
10. During these first inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah SSRC facilities, the
inspection team did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the
Convention. The inspection reports were finalised and transmitted to the Syrian Arab
Republic on 2 June 2017.

#58: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:28 pm
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612259535/former-spy-sergei-skripal-released-from-hospital-recovering-from-exotic-nerve-ag

Deadly, lethal Novichok...

#59: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:59 pm
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https://sana.sy/en/?p=145238
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/08/22/Bolton-US-will-act-strongly-if-Syria-uses-chemical-weapons-again/5021534940892/

...and nothing has changed

#60: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:53 pm
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https://theintercept.com/2019/02/09/douma-chemical-attack-evidence-syria/
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm

Nobody will ask about 200 tomahawks wasted...

#61: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: DELETED,

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:01 am
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JFFulcrum - I can't help but agree with the high level of hypocrisy shown by world leaders from one country to the next. Venezuela's riots - regime change - stand in president that never stood in the last elections. The current President Maduro was elected and elections overseen by UN and others. French Yellow Vest riots go on for months - 20 plus have lost eyes from Police actions, one has lost a hand from the banned LBD rubber ball launcher - no one is calling for regime change outside of France. Several thousand other serious injuries and no one cares.

Then there is the attacks in Yemen to support a corrupt Govt. Opposed to that in Syria. Which one has had the media coverage and attracted the wrath of Europe and the USA. the totally unconvincing story of the Novichok saga compared to the killing of the Journalist at the Saudi Embassy in Turkey - Jamal Khashoggi. The differing Govt's reactions says a lot to me.

#62: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:34 pm
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HasaniSabbah

Great difference is also Venezuela vs Haiti. Anybody heard about Haiti crisis in TV? Maybe on first pages of newspapers? Support for protestors from US state department? From EU? Troops, weapons, sanctions?

#63: Re: Syria chem attacks Author: DELETED,

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:34 pm
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Great difference is also Venezuela vs Haiti. Anybody heard about Haiti crisis in TV? Maybe on first pages of newspapers? Support for protestors from US state department? From EU? Troops, weapons, sanctions?[/quote]

Yes, six protesters have died during these protests.

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