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#21: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:59 am
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Yes but Chinese investors have extreme leverage on US, so they are not too worried retaliatory sanctions.  Plus they can exchange subsidized currency before value plummets.  US owes substantial debt to China and dependent their slave labour workforce and factories.  Real estate is a very dirty business, perhaps the most corrupt and easiest way to launder money.  No questions asked if paid in cash, anonymous LLC's, foreign nationals & pay whatever value you want regardless of cash value.
#22: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: DELETED,  PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:20 am
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How about Turkey wanting to join BRICS to make BRICTS. On their own they are regional players. But becoming friendly to Russia - purchase of the S400 system. Tolerating Syria and Iran against the Kurds. How far can you stretch the US rubber band - 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad. And European members of NATO not pulling their weight or rather pulling away.

A China ignored in the South China Seas will grow like a virus unchecked. Not good reading.
#23: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:05 am
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Looks like the Russians will be busy!
#24: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:15 pm
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dj wrote (View Post):
Yes but Chinese investors have extreme leverage on US, so they are not too worried retaliatory sanctions.

Tell that to suppliers of aluminium, who had fun expecting that Trump would not dare hit 75% of US metal imports, and now cry to their governments for subsidizes & retaliations.
#25: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:28 pm
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Trump is delusional tariffs will be the magic wand to US trade issues.  The company I work for also was forced to raise its prices.  And now is asking to fund $12B to subsidize farmers whom ironically were some of his strongest supporters.  Tariffs won't solve anything it is just a bait and switch to appease his fanatical supporters.  He needs to blame himself along with Corporate America, whom could care less about US workers and complicit in China slave labour exploitation.  

Meanwhile ExxonMobil sued the US Government for a meager $2M for Russia sanctions violations and Putin hired Steven Seagal to serve as their Russia lobbyist?
#26: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:45 am
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HasaniSabbah wrote (View Post):
How far can you stretch the US rubber band - 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad.

Latest news are that US have miltary presence of some kind in 177 countries total. The last add-on was three military bases in Argentine till the end of year. Just SOCOM in 2017 passed operations in 140+ countries around the world. I guess that average US citizen will be unable to find 2/3 of them on the globe.

dj wrote (View Post):
Tariffs won't solve anything it is just a bait and switch to appease his fanatical supporters.

There are some possibility that Trump actions will succeseed. Preparation for big war, for example.
#27: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:57 am
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dj wrote (View Post):
Trump is delusional tariffs will be the magic wand to US trade issues.  The company I work for also was forced to raise its prices.  And now is asking to fund $12B to subsidize farmers whom ironically were some of his strongest supporters.  Tariffs won't solve anything it is just a bait and switch to appease his fanatical supporters.  He needs to blame himself along with Corporate America, whom could care less about US workers and complicit in China slave labour exploitation.  

Meanwhile ExxonMobil sued the US Government for a meager $2M for Russia sanctions violations and Putin hired Steven Seagal to serve as their Russia lobbyist?


Tariffs are a valid strategy for trade. They can protect local business from imports, like we had for decades here in Australia. Just dont kid yourself that you can have high tariffs AND cheap imports at  the same time, like some people seem to think. Countries with high tariffs are nearly always poorer than countries with free trade - Tariff countries

Your (US) problem is that you elected a salesman, even worse a real estate salesman! Nothing he says or does is based on anything other than self interest, but people still kid themselves that he is "On their side" Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
#28: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:11 pm
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Yes real estate is the most corrupt industry in USA and due to the sub-prime mortgage meltdown, it almost created a global economic depression.  For the same reasons, extremely corrupt shady practices.  It's a money laundering factory.  Lender sales reps did not even bother to verify earnings, half of them were on cocaine, using fraudulent values to determine "market value", allowing anonymous LLC's to buy whatever they want at whatever prices they wanted.  

And it is known that Trump Tower condo's were routinely "sold" to Russians or LLC's.  Europe was smart to ban anonymous LLC purchases.  USA govt is content to let our nation erode to banana republic status.   Nothing United about these States just a bunch of rich dudes trying line their pockets with as much $ as possible.  Now is a good time to dump stocks or sell off assets.  Everyone knows our fake bubble is about to burst again near the 10 year anniversary when our banking system nearly folded.
#29: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: DELETED,  PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:27 pm
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  Nothing United about these States just a bunch of rich dudes trying line their pockets with as much $ as possible.


That is the world over. No matter what country or even what time period, it's always been the same throughout history.
#30: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:18 pm
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Yes but USA under President Ted Roosevelt and many others fought the corruption but those days are long gone.  Russia too I hoped under Yeltsin would reform their government but no chance of that happening under Putin.  

Something clearly struck a nerve with Putin to demand surrender of former Ambassador along with Bill Browder.  Why Browder?  Because he exposed corruption in Russia.  Craig Unger's new book "The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia" looks like a must read.  One of his prime sources are these real estate transactions.

"..Putin wanted to keep tabs on the billionaires — some of them former mobsters — who had made their post-Cold War fortunes on the backs of industries once owned by the state. The oligarchs, as well as other new-moneyed elites, were stashing their money in foreign real estate, including Trump properties"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/is-there-a-case-for-trump-putin-collaboration-years-before-the-campaign/2018/08/16/00578f1e-9440-11e8-80e1-00e80e1fdf43_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e8be7f0a2864
#31: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: DELETED,  PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:53 am
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"..Putin wanted to keep tabs on the billionaires — some of them former mobsters — who had made their post-Cold War fortunes on the backs of industries once owned by the state. The oligarchs, as well as other new-moneyed elites, were stashing their money in foreign real estate, including Trump properties"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/is-there-a-case-for-trump-putin-collaboration-years-before-the-campaign/2018/08/16/00578f1e-9440-11e8-80e1-00e80e1fdf43_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e8be7f0a2864[/quote]
 

I did read that Putin wanted those who profited from the sale of fmr USSR assets to contribute to the new Russia or face consequences. Some of which are still in jail today................wish we could do the same.

That link is very revealing. Not sure what Russia hopes to gain from this though. Everything today that goes wrong is being blamed upon Russia. Recently on CNN a US Congressman accused Russia of being behind recent riots in the US as are some media. Trump, I'm surprised hasn't jumped on the same - the King of deflecting and blame. I can understand why some still believe Russia was / is behind Trump. But who in US politics hasn't had some level of involvement - Clinton's over the mining contracts. Everyone seem to be chasing shadows and not much work being done as a result.
#32: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:57 pm
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HasaniSabbah wrote (View Post):
Not sure what Russia hopes to gain from this though.

Most of text on link is about late 80-s (when Russians in US was mostly 'refugees' from Soviet state - unlikely acted in lieu of USSR government, because organized crime already posed a serious threat to Soviet regime and regime was in bloody fight with it) and early 90-s (there was no Russia at all as kind of centralized will until 1995, when Yeltsin, faced with badly Chechnya war and re-elections coming, consolidated power and brought "Siloviks' like Putin`s 'Godfather' Primakov closer to him).

For now, according to 'investigations' available, Russia spent some 100K USD to make Trump a president. Actually, from 2004 to 2014 Russia spent some 200MIL USD to lobbyism and PR in US with little to no effect (as 2014 proved well). Most of that money was probably just stolen. I think that this 100K was just another attempt to do something, hopeless from start, which, unfortunately, become a gold shot. Or, may be, was found as very effective ground for just another campaign against Russia, cause money comes to SMN`s, not to specific persons in D.C. who would come to the line of fire otherwise.
#33: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: DELETED,  PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:56 am
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I have no doubt Russia had a vested interest in seeing a potentially Russian friendly US Govt / President being elected. That's only natural. No doubt they probably backed this up financially through media and politicians. But that is no different to the 80 plus foreign elections that the US has involved it's self in over a recent period. Or for that matter the English, the French and other European countries. China is doing the same in the Pacific but buying UN votes from Pacific Island cash strapped Islands. Financing friendly pro Chinese politicians into power in elections.

It is a bit rich to accuse one country of something that your country is actually involved in as well elsewhere around the world.

But Trump is certainly a skitso or maybe a very bad liar.
#34: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:57 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
HasaniSabbah wrote (View Post):
Not sure what Russia hopes to gain from this though.

Most of text on link is about late 80-s (when Russians in US was mostly 'refugees' from Soviet state - unlikely acted in lieu of USSR government, because organized crime already posed a serious threat to Soviet regime and regime was in bloody fight with it) and early 90-s (there was no Russia at all as kind of centralized will until 1995, when Yeltsin, faced with badly Chechnya war and re-elections coming, consolidated power and brought "Siloviks' like Putin`s 'Godfather' Primakov closer to him).

For now, according to 'investigations' available, Russia spent some 100K USD to make Trump a president. Actually, from 2004 to 2014 Russia spent some 200MIL USD to lobbyism and PR in US with little to no effect (as 2014 proved well). Most of that money was probably just stolen. I think that this 100K was just another attempt to do something, hopeless from start, which, unfortunately, become a gold shot. Or, may be, was found as very effective ground for just another campaign against Russia, cause money comes to SMN`s, not to specific persons in D.C. who would come to the line of fire otherwise.


Yes...interesting points.  Russian mafia factions had already permeated USSR political system especially in the 80's.  Those were some bloody times when Yeltsin took over in early 90's.  I was a student in college actually studying Russian history at his time.  Professor showed us the video tape from Leningrad with anarchists marching in the streets.  The Russian mafia later battled it out for control, I saw some video footage of that too.

The opposition candidate that Putin put in jail kept trying to expose the corruption with his drone camera over the chateau palace of Putin's assistant president.
And question for you... who decides which oligarch controls an industry?  Seems like money was stolen yes.  Something really enraged Putin about what Browder found.  I was shocked when in Helsinki, Putin demanded Trump surrender Browder.
#35: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:49 am
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Something really enraged Putin about what Browder found

Browder was part of the system - corrupt system of draining out money from Russia. Of course, when the control of system was seized by Kremlin (from foreign powers like Soros), Browder became an unnecessary unit. Instead of gaining compensation and withdraw, he goes to politics, put his employees to danger, lost, fled, now pose himself as 'fighter against corruption'.
#36: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: DELETED,  PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:22 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
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Something really enraged Putin about what Browder found

Browder was part of the system - corrupt system of draining out money from Russia. Of course, when the control of system was seized by Kremlin (from foreign powers like Soros), Browder became an unnecessary unit. Instead of gaining compensation and withdraw, he goes to politics, put his employees to danger, lost, fled, now pose himself as 'fighter against corruption'.



Yes sir, I believe you are correct. I read this article earlier and found it again - https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/02/01/meet-corrupt-billionaire-who-has-brought-about-new-cold-war.html
#37: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:07 am
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Unger's book is a must read.  Now that Trump CFO has flipped and grant immunity from prosecution, they will have full access to his books & tax returns.  Unger said $1T had been looted from Russia and moved to foreign assets.  I am sure China has done that as well, probably even twice that amount laundered into real estate assets.  They can form anonymous LLC's or shell companies and pay in all cash.
#38: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:45 am
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Moscow writer Masha Gessen describes Putin in her new book:  "the godfather of a mafia clan"

And Putin's net worth estimated at $40B.  Confirms what others have said about mafia connections to Putin.  Does the mafia control Putin or does Putin control them?  More like a partnership.  This is why Trump gets along so well with Putin, like they are both mafia family bosses.  

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/9100388/Vladimir-Putin-the-godfather-of-a-mafia-clan.html
#39: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:51 pm
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dj wrote (View Post):
Moscow writer Masha Gessen describes Putin in her new book:  "the godfather of a mafia clan"


http://web.archive.org/web/20130310193355/http://www.usgbroadcasts.com/bbgwatch/2013/01/03/business-class-plane-travel-and-housing-allowances-for-korns-favorites-at-rferl-raise-questions/
 
Trust to such people, learn more truth from them...
#40: Re: What is going on with Russia? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:05 pm
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Still waiting for Mueller investigation and most importantly an audit of the financial transactions.  Putin made an error in judgement showing his cards by demanding Trump surrender former U.S. Ambassador to Russia whom was critical of his regime and especially when he demanded surrender of Bill Browder.  He does not even live in U.S. any longer.
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