ScnelleMeyer wrote (View Post): |
German armoured car crews were issued the black panzer uniform, while half track crews would use regular fieldgrey tunics.
Looking at photos several combinations are possible in field conditions. Soviet armoured car crews seems to have used the green regular uniform and not the dark blue tankers suit as standard. Several photos show them using the tankers radio helmet. https://heroesandgenerals.com/forums/topic/79855-soviet-halftrack/ |
Sequoia wrote (View Post): |
Hello:
Here a plate depicting a BA-10 crewman Hidden:
Bye |
GameRat wrote (View Post): |
wow, really looking forward to this ... thanks to you and Southernland.
do you have any images/screenshots of some of the vehicles? |
Sequoia wrote (View Post): |
Hello:
Good news! About russian aircraft camouflage, there was many baseless things published in the West. This started in the Cold War when the info available was scant. So many profiles, artwork, and scale models were based the interpretations of the b/w images without documental support. In this context surged the interpretation that early war camo was green and brown, repeated even after the end of the Cold War. For example Flying Colors (Green & Swanborough, Salamander Books 1999) stated that the schemas was "dark green and earth brown" (names bororwed from RAF nomenclature) and that green and black was tractor paint used in a factory that previously made farm machinery. The evidence about brown painting in Soviet made planes, it's that in 1940 the light brown was among the colors tested for aircraft camouflage. This tone was used in a scheme applied in a batch of 28 LaGG-3. Apparently was a serious candidate for inclusion in official schemes, but green and black was chosen. In July 1943 was included in the non-fighter scheme. No dark brown shade (I meaning a tone like dark earth used by RAF) was included in any official scheme, only as color for airplane oil pipes (interior components and sub-systems were color coded). Closest thing to special camouflage in mod's timeframe and area it's a photo of a Yak-7 157 IAP 16 VA (Central Front) with a band of a clear color (claimed to be light brown) between the black and green areas. Contrast between colors in b/w photos varied depending of paint type and its wear, light conditions, camera setings, film used, etc. For German planes the ID markings were discrete for Kursk period, Fw-190, Hs-129 and Stukas had a yellow band around the fuselage close to tail unit, bow and wingtip markings only in the undersides. I understand that this is a land wargame not a flight simulator, and that plane camo is an minor detail, sorry for my complaints. About weapons plane weapons, What you choice for Shturmoviks? 23mm or 37mm guns, rockets, frag. bombs, PTAB? Bye. |
Sequoia wrote (View Post): |
Hello:
About the camo, a dark brown like the RAF dark earth is improbable as stated above, but light brown is another story. Light brown was tested in 1940, but the soviets chosed green & black in 1941, however in 1943 (after Kursk) become a standard color for the new camo schemes. An exceptional order was issued to mix paints following strict instructions to obtain the new colors, until the new paints were available, but not in the case of light brown. Also the place in the numbering secuence for the light brown paint was lower than the official 1941 colors, it's a indication that was seriously considerd as standard color just before the war. In my opinion the use of light brown in aircraft sent to front to test camos in field conditions or as non standard camo is plausible. Another paint related theme, the development of green paints used in aircrafts was related to army paints, the green paint tested in 1940 was the same paint for AFV. So green aviation paint had a very close shade to AFV green paint. Bye. |
Uberdave wrote (View Post): |
Are you aiming to create a historical mod or a just-for-fun game with arcade style gameplay?
If 'yes'. the how do you plan to recreate one of the largest tank battles in history on a dated simulation that was solely created for infantry:infantry combat with light support in close (under 300 meter) engagements? People will play it and enjoy it, and I'm sure you will do excellent work, Drizzt. Unfortunately, it won't be 'Close Combat' for me. |
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