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#21: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:42 am
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BTW, folks from US, what you think about latest Chinese report about human rights in USA? Of course, it is biased, but how much depart from reality, according to your feelings?

#22: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:53 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

BTW, folks from US, what you think about latest Chinese report about human rights in USA? Of course, it is biased, but how much depart from reality, according to your feelings?

It's damning but a tit for tat report against the likes of the UN and Human Rights watch that commonly rebuke China for the same and different. Still very interesting and covers areas known to most but rarely spoken about.

#23: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:41 pm
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On a slightly different note. Another regime change in Libya - Haftar. CIA backed. Come on Trump, what happened to draining the swamp.

#24: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: Antony_nz,

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:02 pm
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I was never really interested in the whole collusion thing.

Granted i can see why it's important, its a pretty massive violation of national sovereignty but it's hard to be interested in it for a few reasons.
1. What actually constitutes as collusion is very ambiguous and you would require something pretty convincing to secure an impeachment.
2. The President of the US and most politicians in America are already completely corrupt and working in favour of certain interests groups that are not indicative or for the benefit of the public. Why should I care about Russian interests when American officials are so representative of alien interests already?
3. America is the number one interferer of other countries elections and number two is not even close. How can such a complaint be taken seriously when such banditry is accepted?

So let's take two examples of a foreign entity interfering with other countries politics in the US. 1. The fossil fuel industries lobbying and 2. Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel lobbying or visiting Congress. (These two examples were just random from top of my head) Why should I care about Russians interests in the US more than Fossil fuel industries in the US?
Is Russias interest with the US more of a gross violation of principle than private interest groups? I'm not so sure.

#25: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: ringoblood,

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:10 pm
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Congress is now sending 8 criminal referrals to DOJ for prosecution; in the report they include Leaks for the Muller investigation from CNN, Prosecutors from Muller Councilor, and several CIA and DOJ Personal, LOL this is gonna be good.

#26: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: ringoblood,

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:17 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

BTW, folks from US, what you think about latest Chinese report about human rights in USA? Of course, it is biased, but how much depart from reality, according to your feelings?

I dont trust much of what comes out of China since they still have an obsessive govt against religious rights, and kill disabled and the like to protect there self imagine.

#27: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:13 am
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ringoblood wrote (View Post):

Congress is now sending 8 criminal referrals to DOJ for prosecution; in the report they include Leaks for the Muller investigation from CNN, Prosecutors from Muller Councilor, and several CIA and DOJ Personal, LOL this is gonna be good.

Funny how the media take those leaks seriously but ignore Wikileaks who have only ever published the truth. How the Govt persecute Assange for the truth yet do very little to other leakers or those doing the dirty deeds. It's a funny old world these days.

#28: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: ringoblood,

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:48 pm
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HasaniSabbah wrote (View Post):

ringoblood wrote (View Post):

I know, right.

#29: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:22 pm
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The only collusion they would find would have been between Israel and the USA. Israel does have an unhealthy influence over the USA - Iran revolutionary guard - listed as terrorists.

#30: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: johnsilver, Location: Florida

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm
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HasaniSabbah wrote (View Post):

What about the now attempt at regime change in Venezuela. Caught out on the lies of reinstating democracy by placing a guy - Guaido in to power how never stood in the last elections. Surely this must be a stain upon Trump.

That is pretty funny actually. Venezuela would have fallen under a weight of it's own debt, lack of ability to feed it's own people, or ability to provide any type of medical services had not China and Russia given them masses of money recently to gain a foot hold in this hemisphere.

NOTHING in that country has worked near capacity for years, including it's once prosperous oil wells.
The US recognizing Guaido was nothing more than an attempt to hurry up the death spiral of yet another failed socialist state and hurry up getting it into some kind of (hopefully) democratic form of government under Guaido.

#31: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:49 pm
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That is pretty funny actually. Venezuela would have fallen under a weight of it's own debt, lack of ability to feed it's own people, or ability to provide any type of medical services had not China and Russia given them masses of money recently to gain a foot hold in this hemisphere.

NOTHING in that country has worked near capacity for years, including it's once prosperous oil wells.
The US recognizing Guaido was nothing more than an attempt to hurry up the death spiral of yet another failed socialist state and hurry up getting it into some kind of (hopefully) democratic form of government under Guaido.[/quote]

Venezuelan debt is only 23% of GDP. Compare that to the USA - 115, GB 300% plus. Max Blumanthal, a US Jorno recently exposed the lie over the starving population shown on ABC in Oz. His crew went around Caracas interviewed and did fact finding. Those who proclaim to be starving were the well heeled people. Inflation made the price of food exorbitant but not in short supply. List items media said no longer existed in Venezuela and showed how avail they were - even toothpaste. The Govt had opened up food banks for those who couldn't afford food. Something Guaido has already promised to stop. Along with state owned Oil company - the very thing that helped turn Venezuela from 80% poverty to approximately 40% - is to be privatized. Lack of medicines is solely due to the crippling sanctions. Sanctions have been described by some in the UN as an act of war which I think is very close to the truth. Changing Government in Venezuela this way only leads to another Libya. Guaido's support is less than 8% and the guy didn't even stand in the last elections that were overseen by Independent election authorities. The only country to cry foul was the US on behalf of their oil companies - nationalized.

Be careful of well meaning media reports. We have all seen what appears to be true at a later date exposed as complete lies.

#32: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:07 pm
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It`s easy to organize troubles in economy, food supplies, utility services, when you have supporters on top. We seen exactly the same in late Soviet Union times, when train cars with food was artificially delayed on stations, refrigerators in warehouses switched off from electricity and central bank blocks money transfers with no reason, especially coming outside for grain supplies (and Canada hold the ships with grain in its ports for 'sanitary violations', same like US blocked any payments for medical supplies from Venezuela since 2016). There was a lot of strange industrial disasters as well. Of course, all was described as communist government impotency by 'suprisingly free' state media. That was a road for Yeltsin`s come to power. Truth became known only years after. Nowdays, the cyberwarfare adds to the 'tools of freedom', like attacks on Simón Bolivar Hydroplant.

This does not negate the fact that both Chavez and Maduro did not deal good with the economy for years, but 'push the leaning' is always best.

#33: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:08 pm
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It`s easy to organize troubles in economy, food supplies, utility services, when you have supporters on top. We seen exactly the same in late Soviet Union times, when train cars with food was artificially delayed on stations, refrigerators in warehouses switched off from electricity and central bank blocks money transfers with no reason, especially coming outside for grain supplies (and Canada hold the ships with grain in its ports for 'sanitary violations', same like US blocked any payments for medical supplies from Venezuela since 2016). There was a lot of strange industrial disasters as well. Of course, all was described as communist government impotency by 'suprisingly free' state media. That was a road for Yeltsin`s come to power. Truth became known only years after. Nowdays, the cyberwarfare added to the 'tools of freedom', like attacks on Simón Bolivar Hydroplant.

This does not negate the fact that both Chavez and Maduro did not deal good with the economy for years, but 'push the leaning' is always best.

#34: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:13 pm
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For balance I should also mention corruption withing the Venezuelan Govt. Chavez recognized this and Maduro recently with sackings and arrests - https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/venezuela-court-issues-jail-sentence-for-judge-accused-of-corruption-by-chavez/ar-BBV5eLV?li=AA54ya&%2525253Bocid=spartanntp

#35: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:32 am
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Here's a new one - Assange's possible extradition to the USA for spying - possibly to face the death penalty. Removed from Ecuadors Embassy in London and arrested for breaking bail. It's GB now but will they send him to the US. A sad day for truthful journalism. Funny enough Wikileaks were publishing corruption papers on the new Venezuelan President, family and friends in Venezuela.

#36: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: FMJ,

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:14 pm
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johnsilver wrote (View Post):

That is pretty funny actually. Venezuela would have fallen under a weight of it's own debt, lack of ability to feed it's own people, or ability to provide any type of medical services...

HAHAHA... pretty funny you are. Sounds like you're talking about Amurika there buddy boy.

johnsilver wrote (View Post):

had not China and Russia given them masses of money recently to gain a foot hold in this hemisphere.

Sure you're not confusing the Federal Reserve private banking cartel printing money out of thin air propping up the failed rogue Empire by using "Quantitative Easing"?

...And what exactly do you mean by "gain a foothold in this hemisphere" ??? Do you arrogantly believe the US-of overthrowing/bombing/invading-A OWNS the rights to this hemisphere???

johnsilver wrote (View Post):

NOTHING in that country has worked near capacity for years, including it's once prosperous oil wells.
The US recognizing Guaido was nothing more than an attempt to hurry up the death spiral of yet another failed socialist state and hurry up getting it into some kind of (hopefully) democratic form of government under Guaido.

Who the hell are you to criticize what has or has not worked "in that country"? Venezuela is its own Nation with its own right to chose its own form of legitimately elected form of government. Look in the mirror at your own country and fix its problems, you have no right to decide to overthrow other governments based on your ignorant views. Of course since you have no respect for international law, you also clearly have no idea what a true "Democracy" is. No really, have another swig of that Red White and Blue Kool Aid.

Since WW2- USA has led the world in- destroying, overthrowing, stealing resources, polluting, torture, murder, rape, bombing, and illegally invading other Nations. Hypocritical, ignorant, arrogant Amurikans are pathetic. They resemble parents who rape and torture their own family but have the arrogance to preach at the pulpit on Sunday about how others should behave.

#37: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:30 pm
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He doesn't understand because the "conservative" political factions in USA have been hijacked by partisans and official state media propaganda. Sean Hannity on Fox News waving his pen around in his hand doing thy dictators bidding to brainwash supporters & cheerlead at political rallies. Not everyone in USA thinks this way or advocates we are superior to everyone else. And Russia or China are not innocent, they torture and kill many of their own people.

But yes recent surveys have shown less than 30% of Americans can afford to purchase homes. In places like California, less than 10% can afford to buy homes. So yes there are large pockets of USA that resemble third world nations. With huge homeless populations living in tent cities attracting rats, fleas. City Hall of Los Angeles had recent cases of diseases spread by fleas on rats spread from homeless population. Which are mostly mentally ill people whom can not get medical attention.

Socialism is not the same thing as social services provided by Governments. Medical care or other services are not a binary choice like zero's and ones. Every industrialized nation on planet offers some form of subsidized medical care. Vast majority of those also have free market economies and did not turn into Socialist nations. These are lies fed by the Right-wing propaganda machine and their armies of big $ lobbyists.

#38: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: ringoblood,

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:18 pm
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I'm just gonna state for the record for everyone here but some of you me know by now by looking at my profile. I am a Christian, BUT I DON NOT support TRUMP or Fox news, I am not a Conservative, I am a Biblicalist, I believe the Bible, not Political views. Sure i support some Conservative views, but I also support some Liberal/Democratic Views, and other as long as they line up to what the Bible says. What Trump, Obama, and Bush, Clinton, and other Recent US Presidents have done and the US have had I DO NOT SUPPORT. I love my Country, I come from a Military Family, My Dad and His Brothers were in the Navy, but our Government as it stands today, I DO NOT STAND BY.

I see you all as brother and sisters in a Military/History/Gaming Family and I respect all of your views. I may not agree, But I hold hands with you and say thank you for upholding freedom of speech and the History that made this World what it is today. If your a Vet thank you if your a programorer thank you, and I hope to debate and have a good time with you all here for a long time.

GOD Bless,

Josh

#39: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: HasaniSabbah,

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:20 am
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ringoblood wrote (View Post):

I'm just gonna state for the record for everyone here but some of you me know by now by looking at my profile. I am a Christian, BUT I DON NOT support TRUMP or Fox news, I am not a Conservative, I am a Biblicalist, I believe the Bible, not Political views. Sure i support some Conservative views, but I also support some Liberal/Democratic Views, and other as long as they line up to what the Bible says. What Trump, Obama, and Bush, Clinton, and other Recent US Presidents have done and the US have had I DO NOT SUPPORT. I love my Country, I come from a Military Family, My Dad and His Brothers were in the Navy, but our Government as it stands today, I DO NOT STAND BY.

I see you all as brother and sisters in a Military/History/Gaming Family and I respect all of your views. I may not agree, But I hold hands with you and say thank you for upholding freedom of speech and the History that made this World what it is today. If your a Vet thank you if your a programorer thank you, and I hope to debate and have a good time with you all here for a long time.

GOD Bless,

Josh

Well said. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Cheers brother

#40: Re: What's happen in the USA Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:42 pm
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ringoblood wrote (View Post):

Very well put.

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