JFFulcrum wrote (View Post): |
NATO was expanding even when Russia was totally not a threat. NATO supplied and coordinated subversive programs in Russia itself and nearby countries from 1949 and with no stop at and after 1991. NATO never removed Russia from main threat to alliance. And we all remind, how well NATO NOT invaded Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, in 'defensive posture' of course. |
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You conflated unilateral action of President Bush and extremely limited military strikes with NATO-sponsored missions. Again that is completely false statement. Yes NATO had peacekeeping missions in former Yugoslavia enforcing no fly zone and de-escalations of aggressions. |
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Question (Norwegian News Agency): I am sorry Jamie but if you say that the Army has a lot of back-up generators, why are you depriving 70% of the country of not only electricity, but also water supply, if he has so much back-up electricity that he can use because you say you are only targeting military targets?
Jamie Shea : Yes, I'm afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with but that water, that electricity is turned back on for the people of Serbia. Unfortunately it has been turned off for good or at least for a long, long time for all of those 1.6 million Kosovar Albanians who have been driven from their homes and who have suffered, not inconvenience, but suffered in many cases permanent damage to their lives. Now that may not be a distinction that everybody likes but for me that distinction is fundamental. |
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When was Russia "totally not a threat" ? Afraid to say that is not an accurate statement. Actually was very dangerous period of time for rest of world with de-stabilization of former states of Soviet Union. |
JFFulcrum wrote (View Post): | ||||
https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm
Yeah, 'extremely limited'. Especially those in Iraq. |
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he also made illegal invasion of Kuwait which was meant with international condemnation. |
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There is peace now in Yugoslavia yes? |
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Thus Russia has been a threat for 100 consecutive years with many invasions of sovereign nations, collaboration with Nazi's, torture and murder of its own citizens and numerous other threats to rest of world. |
JFFulcrum wrote (View Post): | ||
in 1980 Saddam illegally invaded Iran, and West applauded, and fuel Iraq with flow of arms and intelligence data. Like with Bin laden, US grew an enemy by itself. |
JFFulcrum wrote (View Post): | ||||
I can just make some pickups from the news feeds, but it will be a waste of time. The peacekeeping forces are there for 20 years+, and, like in Caucasus, the situation is long from any stable peace.
You missed a zero in '1000 years' probably. Also, didn`t expect, that 1918 Entante invasions or 1941 Hitler's invasion was a 'stabilization efforts'. |
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Don't think that is accurate statement. There's no active combat, genocide, bombing, land mines, or snipers in Yugoslavia any more, the NATO mission was a success not a doubt about it. Very tiny peacekeeping forces to serve as deterrent and at the request of local governments. |
Berger wrote (View Post): |
Ten Russian POWs shot in the head lying face down on the ground. Ukrainians gouged out the eyes of at least one of the soldiers.
Maybe not the best way to win hearts and minds in the West. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-defence-ministry-says-ukraine-executed-russian-pows-2022-11-18/ |
Berger wrote (View Post): |
Maybe not the best way to win hearts and minds in the West. |
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