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#921: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:05 pm
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Slovakia, Poland and Hungary banned Ukrainian grain imports

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-17/slovakia-is-latest-eu-nation-to-ban-ukraine-grain-amid-glut?leadSource=uverify%20wall

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/17/hungary-threatens-to-extend-ban-on-ukrainian-grain

It seems the Ukrainian grain, instead of going to feed Africa after EU lifted tariffs on Ukrainian products, remained in those countries to speculate, annoying local farmers.

Well, another shot in the foot of the EU and less income in Kiev to sustain the war.

But Banderites still have a chance to win the war...

...in a video game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2239670/Glory_to_the_Heroes/

#922: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:48 pm
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Berger wrote (View Post):

Slovakia, Poland and Hungary banned Ukrainian grain imports

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-17/slovakia-is-latest-eu-nation-to-ban-ukraine-grain-amid-glut?leadSource=uverify%20wall

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/17/hungary-threatens-to-extend-ban-on-ukrainian-grain

It seems the Ukrainian grain, instead of going to feed Africa after EU lifted tariffs on Ukrainian products, remained in those countries to speculate, annoying local farmers.

Well, another shot in the foot of the EU and less income in Kiev to sustain the war.

But Banderites still have a chance to win the war...

...in a video game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2239670/Glory_to_the_Heroes/

Grain exports out of Ukraine are made public Berger.

https://www.un.org/en/black-sea-grain-initiative/vessel-movements

Before you jump to any more broadly stroked conclusions remember "Cargo may be processed and re-exported from the primary destination."

#923: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:26 pm
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The UN link is about vessel movements.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia vetoed Ukrainian grain movements inside their territory. So now Ukraine can export agricultural products only by sea or through Rumania.

#924: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:55 pm
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Berger wrote (View Post):

The UN link is about vessel movements.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia vetoed Ukrainian grain movements inside their territory. So now Ukraine can export agricultural products only by sea or through Rumania.

Replying to "instead of going to feed Africa after EU lifted tariffs on Ukrainian products."

#925: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 1:43 am
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Kind of off-topic but good video of T-34's being over-rated. One point was western historians always say the German Panthers were mechanically unreliable. But the west gave too much credit to the T-34's and of course the Soviet propaganda fed us this disinformation. Interesting comparison to Stalin's taunts and threats to crew members accusing them of sabotaging their tanks on purpose. And Stalin threatening investigations of every abandoned tank's crew members. How this is relevant to today is that Putin makes very similar proclamations. Threatening to investigate any evidence of sabotage or traitors amongst the Russian military ranks. Instead of Stalin and Putin taking accountability for their own bad plans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

#926: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: jakebullet70, Location: Washington State / Kherson Ukraine

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:44 am
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The US offence just gets started and RU blows up the dam in the south. Now that's a really fine mess but honestly expected.

#927: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: jakebullet70, Location: Washington State / Kherson Ukraine

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:45 am
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LOL, Think it should of been UA has started. Not enough sleep in the last few days.

#928: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:06 pm
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Hard to know with any certainty if the real counter offensive has started or not. Ukraine has become similar to Russia with disinformation tactics.

One thing for sure is yes Russia destroyed the damn near Kherson. Not a bad idea because it makes transportation almost impossible in the entire region and would halt any Ukraine advances.

Been quiet about Bakmut. Wagner pulling out and strange comments by commander, I suspect disinformation. One other recent report that Wagner group using ruthless mercenary armies in Central Africa to plunder Blood Diamond money and provide defensive support for war torn Dictatorship. France has pulled out leaving the area decimated. Russian mercenaries are very aggressive exploiting.

#929: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:08 pm
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/africa/wagner-ukraine-russia-central-african-republic-gold-mine-putin-rcna86392

#930: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:59 am
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Things seem to have certainly turned upside down for the Russian MOD in the last 24 hours...

Seems that Pregosian (fk knows how to spell it) is taking matters into his own hands...

Shoigu definately thinks he should have pushed him out a 6th story window months ago...

Or is it a Pregosian and Putler plan to create scapegoats and pull out of Ukraine with some dignity because he was given the wrong information...

Interesting times for Russia and its future...... hopefully whatever happens they keep the finger off the red button...

#931: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:05 am
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This is bigger than Ben Hur

#932: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:55 pm
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Exactly...the whole world is nervous. I remember reading Prigozhin's quite critical comments going back many months ago and seemed hard to believe. Like there was some political angle there but there really isn't it appears. Prigozhin speaks the truth (at times) where the others do not. I've seen some recent videos of him looking genuinely anger and made hard to believe claims that Russian regular military attacked his own troops? What the hell is going on in Russia anyone know? One thing Western media isn't saying about Prigozhin...he is a thug with extensive criminal record. Served years in Russian jail for being a thief among other crimes. Yet Putin recruited him to be in his inner circle anyways. Gangster governments tend to recruit other like-minded mafia style gangsters.

#933: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:04 pm
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Moscow Times has good reporting and videos too. They posted cell phone video of Chechen troops arriving in Rostov to confront Wagner control. But the roads are jammed they are stuck.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/24/live-wagner-chief-rebels-against-military-leadership-a81618

Western media is all confused claims Wagner troops "marching" towards Moscow? Such utter nonsense, people have cars these days this isn't the 1800's.

#934: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:38 pm
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Funny how the Western media all copy-cats each other's poor English and terrible grammar. UK Sky News repeated the same Wagner was on the "march" towards Moscow slogan.

From the Dictionary:
intransitive verb
1
: "to move along steadily usually with a rhythmic stride and in step with others"

I did not see any Wagner troops walking hundreds of miles towards Moscow. All of them had motorized vehicles. No horses or carriages either.

#935: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:26 pm
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Well the word march can be used as an expression. Like... March of Dimes.

DJ/Bungarra you should join the Discord. We've been talking about the Ukraine for awhile now. There's some staunch "Zelensky is a Nazi, the West started the war, Russia had no choice but to invade, we should use nukes" believers from this community.

#936: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:42 am
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One thing for sure is yes Russia destroyed the damn near Kherson. Not a bad idea because it makes transportation almost impossible in the entire region and would halt any Ukraine advances.

Unlikely. Most flood comes to Russian-hold bank of Dnepr, with 61 death toll. Russia lost water to Crimea channel, what was one of few real conquests since the start of war. Dnepr water level drops significantly: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/video/album/275/#rprecord=eyJpZCI6MjIwMzM5NSwicmVjb3JkSWQiOjIyMDMzOTV9 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p24yKacjwhQ and Ukraine already took a foothold on the east bank. Much more likely dam fall due to 2022 war damages (made by Ukrainian side with US-supplied HIMARS) and absence of repairs and water level regulation, being on the frontline.

About Prigozhin 'coming out'. There was signs, that russian ministry of defense made an attempts of physically destroying PMC 'Wagner' troops, and the proclaimed rocket strike on his fieldcamp was just a last spit. While Putin claims that 'Wagner' was fully financed by govt, independent experts already calculates, that noted sums covered only a 1/3 of expected costs. There was other money, from other people, and that people likely signaled to Prigozhin to make an attempt. Those people took lesson from his failure, and now all depends on Putin himself. If he do not change the current internal policy and preserve his 'friends' like Shoighu in govt, next time men behind Prigozhin (and behind Putin himself) will act more radically and precisely, one blow with full power and without any proclamations and marches. Like Amin's palace in 1979. That happened in past, first Kornilov coup in 1917. Next was an October revolution, where Bolsheviks just strike on Provisional govt, shelling Winter Palace with naval guns and rams it with overwhelming manpower, putting Provisional govt and Russian Empire into history. BTW, for those folks who probably will love such an outcome - anybody after Putin will be much worse for West, like Bolsheviks very quickly became pain in ass for next tens of years, more threat that Russiam Empire ever presents to the West previously.

#937: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:09 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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One thing for sure is yes Russia destroyed the damn near Kherson. Not a bad idea because it makes transportation almost impossible in the entire region and would halt any Ukraine advances.

While ignoring the fact that Russia invaded and all the consequences that comes bundled, most if not all pro-Russian people will assert that where ever a Russian missile hits was a military target and anything bad that happens is the Ukrainian's fault like this dam. Pro-Russians were celebrating Russian strikes on various civilian infrastructure for months on end but are seemingly able to backflip hundreds of metres away from responsibility of this dam.

#938: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:28 pm
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Welcome back comrade. So here's the consensus according to the New York Times investigation :"the evidence clearly suggests the dam was crippled by an explosion set off by the side that controls it: Russia." Also if you look at this from the classical view of police detective, it's all about the motive. Why would Ukraine want to flood the region right before Counter-Offensive to cut off Crimea or other targets? It makes no plausible sense and there is zero motive for Ukraine to blow up the dam.

Regarding Prigozhin, western intelligence and at least some in Russian command already knew about Coup plot. And I think the bombing of the coffee cafe of another critic was act of vengeance by Putin's FSB. Prigozhin now has death sentence. FSB travels as far as Miami to hunt down fleeing Russians whom Putin deems as enemies. Putin models himself like Josef Stalin like hunting down Trotsky all the way to Mexico with ice pick. Also I think it was 100% lie about Lukashenko negotiations, it was just a cover story. Rumor is maybe a bribe. And yes I do PARTIALLY agree with you that Prigozhin would have likely been worse than Putin, he is war criminal, thief, served lengthly jail sentences in Soviet era. However I do think others within Russia could theoretically be much better than Putin to restore a sense of stability and peace to Eastern Europe.

So there are a lot of parallels with overthrow of Czar family in 1917 and Putin's wavering dictatorship. In both cases, the regular army is suffering from highly dysfunctional command structure, lack of food, lack of pay (reports some soldiers not getting paid) and lack of popular support. Did you see how the Russian people in Rostov cheered and greeted Prigozhin as hero and celebrated?

#939: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:35 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Well, i`m in person did not celebrate that, in airstrike lost my relative worked at power plant in Dnepropetrovsk area. Did anyone knew, that Facebook banned Ukrainins from posting necrologues, because that reveals losses? Yes, US Meta acts as Ukrainian military censorship in occasion.

Yes, Russian side was responsible for dam, and neglection in service likely resulted in fall. But at example of Zaporizhya nuclear plant already show clear, that no such works can be don in frontline if Ukrainian side do not want it to done. And US and NATO supplied a lot of instruments for reach such a target with no obligations.

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Welcome back comrade.

Well, my time will be limited, in incoming visit no North Korea i'm will likely will be offline most of the time.

It was clear, that flood hurts mostly russian defense positions: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/07/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news-nova-kakhovka-dam-kherson/ , https://t.me/operativnoZSU/99780 , and that allowed Ukranian army to force the river and make a foothold. Also, proclaimed by nearly all media experts white car with explosives on dam was still on the dam after the fall, revealed later by BBC. The contradicting claims by all sides are usual in any f-ups, but looks like fall was a surprise for both sides - https://ria.ru/20230606/ges-1876350741.html

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However I do think others within Russia could theoretically be much better than Putin to restore a sense of stability and peace to Eastern Europe.

Any peace will looks like Karabakh for 30+ years or Donbass in 2015-2021 - frontline between NATO and Russia, with both sides ready for immediate war and regular bloody incidents. The questions are: where this frontline will be and for how long. Of course, West expect some dumb person like Gorbachev or Yeltsin, who will allow to them to push the frontline much more to East and present it as peace. But Navalny is unlikely that dumb... Its exactly the Kim Jong Un case: whatever was his past, his current will be only uncompromised combat for survival, with both internal and external adversaries. Its XIX century, not XXI actually

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Did you see how the Russian people in Rostov cheered and greeted Prigozhin as hero and celebrated?

Thats only proves that most of Russian population still do not realize true scale and depth of war. Rostov mostly still out of Ukrainian strikes.

Meanwhile, 'the last bear dies in forest' (russian proverb) - https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/13/landmine-use-ukraine - always immediately well-aware about human rights violations activists after year and half suddenly noticed an elephant in the room.

#940: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:07 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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Welcome back comrade.

Well, my time will be limited, in incoming visit no North Korea i'm will likely will be offline most of the time.

The questions are: where this frontline will be and for how long. Of course, West expect some dumb person like Gorbachev or Yeltsin, who will allow to them to push the frontline much more to East and present it as peace. But Navalny is unlikely that dumb...

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Did you see how the Russian people in Rostov cheered and greeted Prigozhin as hero and celebrated?

Thats only proves that most of Russian population still do not realize true scale and depth of war. Rostov mostly still out of Ukrainian strikes.

Me thinks you work on behalf of Russian government like for a defense company? You seem to travel often to China or North Korea or other Russian business partners. I already admitted to working for the US Government as vendor key supplier. Although I currently do not support Defense agency clients in my new job role, but previously did 15 years and before then too at different job. Especially since you claim to be former military (Soviet or RF army??). Defense companies prefer to hire former military I am sure in Russia, no different than here.

Yes very true...this is the question, does this war continue for another 10 years of stalemate, does it shift again much and how munch longer until Peace agreement to settle on new borders. Did you hear about secret Peace Negotiations that your ambassador attended with United States? Biden said today Putin has already lost the war. This was not good thing to say...because the Germans also claimed they had already won the Battle of Stalingrad in their news media. Didn't quite work out so well for the Germans afterwards. I don't underestimate Russia.

What did you mean about Rostov? Maybe lost in translation, did not understand. I agree with you Prigozhin maybe would be even worse than Putin. My opinion is that the Rostov citizens celebrated the "defiance" against Putin. Or it could be that Rostov people prefer Wagner regime dictator led by Prigozhin...and they don't understand how much sacrifice and death Wagner and Russian regular army suffered. Probably none of them ever saw combat, or the smell of death to endure war in real life.

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