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#101: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:19 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Why are Russians being arresting for protesting the war?

For the same reason as in other countries. These protests are not coordinated according to the established procedure. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/george-floyd-killing-police-arrest-non-violent-protesters

#102: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:19 am
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Is Zelensky a Nazi? Or a fascist?

Even an official story of Holocaust admits that there was several major jews misguided or exploited by Nazi to serve their needs. Zelensky is a creature of oligarch (and citizen of Israel) Kolomoisky, who in 2014 created and financed several paramilitary's groups loving swastikas and wearing symbols of WWII SS divisions and Nazi collaborates, which served in guarding death camps there jews was exterminated. Welcome to brave new world of post-modern and post-truth, such a twists are usual here.

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4,500 Russians arrested today in large anti-war protests across multiple cities in Russia.

You is good in counting. Now time to differentiate between arrest and detain. While many was arrested for participation in protests, detained are quite rare. But i have some 'innocent victims of the regime' for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIGg7V0Qr7s&t=45s

#103: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:31 am
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[youtube]http://youtu.be/lz5cNzgF1-U[/youtube]

We Know Neil Oliver as an archaeologist but he has some views that will make you think

It was posted some days ago but its food for thought..

#104: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:38 am
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Robert Sapolsky on "us" vs "them" in military conflicts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5RDy6xFJQ Sapienti sat

#105: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:36 pm
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Should Russia pay Poland and other countries to assist with the refugee crisis?

#106: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:00 pm
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Just several months before Poland was very against any refugees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UceX2P6RZz4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq_KqCcNVlk
But ~~human~~ mediasapient civilization have a memory of goldfish.

#107: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:19 am
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As far as authenticity of refugee counts, I don't see why Russians would refuse to acknowledge the numbers. According to the United Nations today, which Russia is a member of, the updated total is 1.7 million whom have fled.
Russia has violated cease fires just as they did in Syria to re-group and re-arm then resumed shelling of civilians trying to flee Maripol and other cities under intense siege. There are many videos by foreign media of this.
Also Russia had offered cease fire only to offer civilians safe passage to Belarus or Russia...which they do not want. Essentially forcing them to stay, many of them would fight for Partisan resistance forces.

Yes Poland does not like Russia just as much if not more than Ukraine but that does not mean they can fabricate refugee counts. There are well documented videos by foreign media of many miles of cars waiting days to enter Poland. Also the trains evacuating Ukraine are completely full they can not even make normal stops and just go straight to Poland border area.

#108: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:38 am
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https://www.thesun.ie/news/8467022/captured-russian-commander-begs-forgiveness-shame-ukraine-war/

Captured Lt. Colonel in Military Police unit confirmed that Russian commanders repeated same lies...that Ukraine is full of fascists and Nazi regime has taken over the government that must be removed. But not to blame Russians their fault is the information they receive. After he learned the truth he felt guilty...and "if you find strength in yourself to forgive us".

#109: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:21 am
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Russia has violated cease fires just as they did in Syria to re-group and re-arm then resumed shelling of civilians trying to flee Maripol and other cities under intense siege. There are many videos by foreign media of this.

Just like with Syria, wonderfulness of videos is a director`s cut. Just cut the previous 15 min to show what you want. Works for both sides although.

#110: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:36 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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Just like with Syria, wonderfulness of videos is a director`s cut. Just cut the previous 15 min to show what you want. Works for both sides although.

And just like predicted, you have resorted to simply questioning all evidence as fake, never offering any proof, I guess it is easier than answering questions that are uncomfortable .... Rolling Eyes

Remember the Russian government way - ALL VIDEOS ARE FAKE, ALL PHOTOS ARE NOT REAL, DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR OWN EYES, ONLY RUSSIAN NEWS IS REAL! ONLY WE KNOW THE TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIES!

#111: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:54 am
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pvt_Grunt
Predict more please:

https://www.facebook.com/Ukrzaliznytsia/posts/5249923388374740

Text claims that rails (used for evacuation from Kiyv) was damaged by russian artillery shelling. Take a look at photos of damages. Is that looks like result of artillery fire? Or like results of explosion of demolition charge? Irpin is not under russian control...

Now how the evacuation goes without rails: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/05/ukrainians-evacuate-city-near-kyiv-by-foot . Ask, who destroyed the bridge? Russian version of news also claims that rails was damaged due to shelling.

#112: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:20 am
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pvt_Grunt wrote (View Post):

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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Just like with Syria, wonderfulness of videos is a director`s cut. Just cut the previous 15 min to show what you want. Works for both sides although.

And just like predicted, you have resorted to simply questioning all evidence as fake, never offering any proof, I guess it is easier than answering questions that are uncomfortable .... Rolling Eyes

Remember the Russian government way - ALL VIDEOS ARE FAKE, ALL PHOTOS ARE NOT REAL, DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR OWN EYES, ONLY RUSSIAN NEWS IS REAL! ONLY WE KNOW THE TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIES!

Thanks to Western teachers, Russia is quickly adopted out del of behthe moavior in the West. The accusations are denied, the evidence goes to the "highly likely" level. Not only the modus vivendi is adopted, but also the modus operandi. "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind". Well, personally, I'm glad about this, since I loved Western culture since childhood).

#113: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:22 am
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Sorry, typo: model of behavior)

#114: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:02 am
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https://www.thesun.ie/news/8467022/captured-russian-commander-begs-forgiveness-shame-ukraine-war/

Here is that brave man before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgL-Dobd9eI
Suddenly, he doesn't look so brave. The black flag on background is not of Ukrainian army, its Nestor Makhno banner from 1918, used by some nationalists troops. Also, there are photos of similar man in ukraininan uniform, but they are unconfirmed.

#115: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:28 pm
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-recruiting-syrians-for-urban-combat-in-ukraine-u-s-officials-say-11646606234

#116: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:11 pm
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Reuters saying 2 million refugees now.

Could it be the precision guided grad rocket bombardments targeting 50km/sq?

#117: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:56 pm
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Another 'blast from the past' - armored trains: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44620/a-russian-armored-train-has-joined-the-invasion-of-ukraine
Some video footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25nt6zYPwLo

#118: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:10 am
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Definitely seems like WW2 style war, like a flashback. Kiev looks like Stalingrad fortresss, Kharkov too. Bombing heavy concrete buildings with reinforced with rebar is useless turning cities into defenders paradise. Ukraine seems to have endless supply of civilians to reinforce Partisan home defense army, women, old people, young people. I have seen video of Civilians with no weapons trying to stop the Russian soldiers or vehicles. One crazy Ukrainian guy jumped on top of Russian recon vehicle holding Ukrainian flag with no weapons.

#119: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:42 am
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dj wrote (View Post):

Definitely seems like WW2 style war, like a flashback. Kiev looks like Stalingrad fortresss, Kharkov too. Bombing heavy concrete buildings with reinforced with rebar is useless turning cities into defenders paradise. Ukraine seems to have endless supply of civilians to reinforce Partisan home defense army, women, old people, young people. I have seen video of Civilians with no weapons trying to stop the Russian soldiers or vehicles. One crazy Ukrainian guy jumped on top of Russian recon vehicle holding Ukrainian flag with no weapons.

Can you imagine that in World War II anyone of the civilians countries of the allies jumped on tanks and tried to peacefully block them? This confirms that the conflict is civil and it would be better for other countries not to interfere. But unfortunately it is beneficial to these other countries and therefore they will be interfere.

#120: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:44 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Reuters saying 2 million refugees now.

Could it be the precision guided grad rocket bombardments targeting 50km/sq?

Like Hirosima and Nagasaky?

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