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#701: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Sapa,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:10 am
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2,800 Ukrainian schools – universities, colleges, high schools, primary schools and preschools – have been damaged or destroyed by the RuZZians since the beginning of the BunkerTsars "specialoperation"

Slava Ukraine!

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#702: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:09 pm
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Pilot with call sign Karaya becomes Hero of Ukraine for preventing damaged plane hitting city

https://english.nv.ua/nation/pilot-with-call-sign-karaya-becomes-hero-of-ukraine-for-preventing-damaged-plane-hitting-city-50289584.html
 

Guess who he honors with that call sign. Hint: Not an allied pilot.
#703: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:56 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
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Don't think that is accurate statement.  There's no active combat, genocide, bombing, land mines, or snipers in Yugoslavia any more, the NATO mission was a success not a doubt about it.  Very tiny peacekeeping forces to serve as deterrent and at the request of local governments.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-killed-kosovo-bus-shooting-2021-11-26/
https://chernayakobra.ru/shots-fired-in-kosovo-and-the-summit-of-the-non-aligned-movement-in-belgrade/
https://ba.n1info.com/english/news/shots-fired-at-kosovo-police-patrol-special-units-deployed/
https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-08-02-shots-in-kosovo--does-nato-have-to-intervene--bundeswehr-soldiers-on-site---%22keep-the-peace%22.ryfqUAMUa5.html  



This hardly constitutes NATO aggression or invasion.  If your previous point was to claim NATO invades or violates sovereignty of nations, these minor incidents in Kosovo don't show that.

Kosovo situation is basically a continuation of old bad blood your Serbian comrades want to prevent Kosovo independence.  Problem is that vast majority of that population are ethnic Muslims (Albanian decedents?).  Thus Serbia as the old Russian syndicate state, wants to purge them from land which would rip old scab off and lead to more war, ethnic cleansing.  Better to keep them out of Serbia anyways as I don't think they get along anyways.  NATO operations in old Yugoslavia were largely successful and professional with minimal casualties to local populations.  Unlike Russia's attempt to bomb Ukraine cities into Stalingrad wasteland.
#704: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:04 pm
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Berger wrote (View Post):
Pilot with call sign Karaya becomes Hero of Ukraine for preventing damaged plane hitting city

https://english.nv.ua/nation/pilot-with-call-sign-karaya-becomes-hero-of-ukraine-for-preventing-damaged-plane-hitting-city-50289584.html
 

Guess who he honors with that call sign. Hint: Not an allied pilot.
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/karaya.56359/ ...when I was younger, I wanted to be a pilot. And Hartman was one of my idols....many in the former USSR liked the German military culture of World War II...it's so attractive because "forbidden fruit is sweet." In Ukraine, this was used to fool teenagers. The West knows how to prepare natives for war with each other)
#705: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:08 pm
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Sapa wrote (View Post):
2,800 Ukrainian schools – universities, colleges, high schools, primary schools and preschools – have been damaged or destroyed by the RuZZians since the beginning of the BunkerTsars "specialoperation"

Slava Ukraine!


Yes it reminds me of Germans after they starting to lose the Battle of Britain.  Just when Luftwaffe was on the verge of air supremacy victory vs RAF, they switched to attacks on infrastructure & urban civilian targets to retaliate vs RAF strikes on Germany.  Then the Germans abandoned the tactical strikes on RAF, giving England time to replace lost aircraft and win back air superiority.

Now Russia ammo and missile inventories are depleted with their obsession to strike civilian targets.  Instead of using those resources for tactical operations to try to win, they have chosen to opt for vengeance and war crimes.
#706: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:14 pm
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paratmar wrote (View Post):
Berger wrote (View Post):
Pilot with call sign Karaya becomes Hero of Ukraine for preventing damaged plane hitting city

https://english.nv.ua/nation/pilot-with-call-sign-karaya-becomes-hero-of-ukraine-for-preventing-damaged-plane-hitting-city-50289584.html
 

Guess who he honors with that call sign. Hint: Not an allied pilot.
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/karaya.56359/ ...when I was younger, I wanted to be a pilot. And Hartman was one of my idols....many in the former USSR liked the German military culture of World War II...it's so attractive because "forbidden fruit is sweet." In Ukraine, this was used to fool teenagers. The West knows how to prepare natives for war with each other)


Both sides in WW2 Eastern Front copied each other.  The Germans were copy-cats of the Russians sloped armour design in Panther and other late war Panzers.  Realizing ooops the Russians had better defensive armour design they had.  The Russians were copy-cats of the Germans Sturmgewehr-44 assault rifle.
#707: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:09 pm
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Berger wrote (View Post):
Pilot with call sign Karaya becomes Hero of Ukraine for preventing damaged plane hitting city

https://english.nv.ua/nation/pilot-with-call-sign-karaya-becomes-hero-of-ukraine-for-preventing-damaged-plane-hitting-city-50289584.html
 

Guess who he honors with that call sign. Hint: Not an allied pilot.



Aviation has a very distinct culture.
#708: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:10 pm
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NATO operations in old Yugoslavia were largely successful and professional with minimal casualties to local populations.  Unlike Russia's attempt to bomb Ukraine cities into Stalingrad wasteland.

Because they was limited in some months. If Miloševi? don`t gived up early, there will be more strikes, and more damages, like in campaign against ISIS.
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The Russians were copy-cats of the Germans Sturmgewehr-44 assault rifle.

Popular myth. Start of AK development was made in 1943, before StG44 even reached battlefield. Initial point was a lend-leased US M1 carbine, especially its ammo. Hugo Schmeisser himself was in USSR since 1946, but final AK shown a lot of differences from StG44 to call them even 'relatives'. The only man who can protest on copycat was Kalashnikov colleague Bulkin.
#709: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:16 am
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Evacuation of a wounded soldier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y1l0QJSpAk&ab_channel=%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81
#710: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:51 pm
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dj wrote (View Post):
Yes it reminds me of Germans after they starting to lose the Battle of Britain.  Just when Luftwaffe was on the verge of air supremacy victory vs RAF, they switched to attacks on infrastructure & urban civilian targets to retaliate vs RAF strikes on Germany.  Then the Germans abandoned the tactical strikes on RAF, giving England time to replace lost aircraft and win back air superiority.

Now Russia ammo and missile inventories are depleted with their obsession to strike civilian targets.  Instead of using those resources for tactical operations to try to win, they have chosen to opt for vengeance and war crimes.


Comparison with Battle of Britain makes no sense. Better compare with allied strategic bombing campaign or NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

You consider the bombings as reprisal attacks to innocent civilian targets but I don't think so.

There's a clear logic in the bombing: now, Ukraine must decide if remaining power, energy and resources must go to military or to civilian uses. More strain to Banderites.
#711: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:44 pm
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Is there still a winning scenario for the Russians here?

If we consider Russia a major power, then they have lost this war (so far).

The status of Russia being a major power if it does hold what it has annexed in Ukraine would be false.
#712: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:15 pm
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Sapa wrote (View Post):
2,800 Ukrainian schools – universities, colleges, high schools, primary schools and preschools – have been damaged or destroyed by the RuZZians since the beginning of the BunkerTsars "specialoperation"

Slava Ukraine!


In 2014s  speech Ukrainian president Poroshenko said:

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...our children will go to schools and kindergartens - the? will sit in their basements. So, that's how we'll win this war.

And he fulfill this promise, there were virtually no school year in Donbass in autumn and winter of 2014-2015. But nobody cared a bit.
#713: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:43 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):
Is there still a winning scenario for the Russians here?

If we consider Russia a major power, then they have lost this war (so far).

The status of Russia being a major power if it does hold what it has annexed in Ukraine would be false.
Do you really not understand that this game (war) is not for Ukraine, but for more global purposes, or simply do not want to accept it)? It is strange if this is so, since you come across as an intelligent person. If you look at these events globally, then so far Russia, China and even the United States are each gaining their own advantages. Russia and China are depriving the dollar of its dominant status, and the US has cut Europe off from Russian gas and is selling it to them at exorbitant prices. And then it will be even more "fun"). Ukraine and Europe are cooked slowly, like a frog, so that it does not jump out of the boiler). As a result, all of Ukraine, except for the western regions, will be "annexed", but before that it will be sooooo long (.
#714: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:48 pm
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Another interesting point of view - https://www.newsweek.com/lessons-us-civil-war-show-why-ukraine-cant-win-opinion-1764992
#715: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:10 pm
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Throwing a grenade into the cellar from a drone !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUmW3hJDh3E&t=5s&ab_channel=rusvesna.su1945
#716: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,  PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:30 pm
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Another side effect of the war: Venezuela is once again a respectable country with which US can  does business. Maduro is no longer an outcast but a good partner.

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/biden-turns-venezuela-oil-just-one-more-anti-american-act-says
 
https://www.albawaba.com/news/macron-maduro-meet-raises-eyebrows-sharm-1498088
#717: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,  PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:01 pm
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paratmar wrote (View Post):
mooxe wrote (View Post):
Is there still a winning scenario for the Russians here?

If we consider Russia a major power, then they have lost this war (so far).

The status of Russia being a major power if it does hold what it has annexed in Ukraine would be false.
Do you really not understand that this game (war) is not for Ukraine, but for more global purposes, or simply do not want to accept it)? It is strange if this is so, since you come across as an intelligent person. If you look at these events globally, then so far Russia, China and even the United States are each gaining their own advantages. Russia and China are depriving the dollar of its dominant status, and the US has cut Europe off from Russian gas and is selling it to them at exorbitant prices. And then it will be even more "fun"). Ukraine and Europe are cooked slowly, like a frog, so that it does not jump out of the boiler). As a result, all of Ukraine, except for the western regions, will be "annexed", but before that it will be sooooo long (.


You can look at these events globally and on a long time scale. But doing so first removes all the humanity, empathy, guilt and realization that should be the basis point for creating these globalist political goals over a long time scale. Its like an upside down pyramid.
#718: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:40 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
Like was with castration video, it is likely a hoax for a warning. More interested part is https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/africa/zambian-prisoner-killed-ukraine-intl/index.html  . Seems like both sides decided, that there is no trash, just soldiers: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russia-ukraine-war-foreign-legion/  

Continuation about Zambia citizen died in Ukraine:
https://apnews.com/article/zambia-ukraine-government-kenneth-kaunda-lusaka-russia-62d114aa4dfa2b4d5a96dd45d190c963
https://t.me/concordgroup_official/74
#719: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,  PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:47 pm
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'Wagner' PMC hace its own aviation arm: https://riafan.ru/23796482-voenkori_fan_poobschalis_s_sosluzhivtsem_letchikov_chvk_vagner_povtorivshih_podvig_gastello  
According to Wagner speacker, the fallen pilots repeated famous heroic act of 1941 'Gastello' self-sacrifice.

Its interesting, that while the main Russian military stuck and underperforming, the weight of side forces like PMCs and Kadyrov`s increasing, and more equipment and forces are authorized for them.
#720: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,  PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:12 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):
paratmar wrote (View Post):
mooxe wrote (View Post):
Is there still a winning scenario for the Russians here?

If we consider Russia a major power, then they have lost this war (so far).

The status of Russia being a major power if it does hold what it has annexed in Ukraine would be false.
Do you really not understand that this game (war) is not for Ukraine, but for more global purposes, or simply do not want to accept it)? It is strange if this is so, since you come across as an intelligent person. If you look at these events globally, then so far Russia, China and even the United States are each gaining their own advantages. Russia and China are depriving the dollar of its dominant status, and the US has cut Europe off from Russian gas and is selling it to them at exorbitant prices. And then it will be even more "fun"). Ukraine and Europe are cooked slowly, like a frog, so that it does not jump out of the boiler). As a result, all of Ukraine, except for the western regions, will be "annexed", but before that it will be sooooo long (.


You can look at these events globally and on a long time scale. But doing so first removes all the humanity, empathy, guilt and realization that should be the basis point for creating these globalist political goals over a long time scale. Its like an upside down pyramid.
Unfortunately, there has never been, is and never will be a place for humanity, empathy, guilt and realization in real big politics - it is utopia.
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