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#741: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:04 am
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paratmar wrote (View Post):

Closest Combat 18+ http://t.me/xoxol_uk/10180[/video]

Same video?

One of the three soldiers in the trench looks dead already, remaining two killed by close assault rifle bursts. There's clearly some confusion at the trench. One soldier holds onto his rifle's sling but not in a firing position while verbally responding to the demands, the other soldier raises his hands then they are both shot.

I'll add that the video does not show the assaulters uniform. Fog of battle, troops state of mind etc are all in play in this single engagement.

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#742: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:36 am
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Russians already did this with special forces at very beginning of invasion and were captured wearing Ukrainian uniforms in failed infiltration attempt. Germans also tried this dirty trick during Ardennes offensive also in Kursk offensive, didn't work out so well for them.

#743: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:43 am
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Rather I didn't see the uniforms thought they were special forces or wearing Ukrainian uniforms. What kind of gun did the Russian have?

Also note one of the Ukrainians appeared to be badly hurt bleeding from eye. Third one not injured but probably out of ammo or in shock from other 2 being shot.

#744: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:15 am
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Actually I saw another video from the same source that was filmed a few minutes later. You can clearly see regular Russian soldiers way back taking cover with the normal darker uniforms, red arm bands + red wrapped rifles. The original assault on the 3 Ukrainians soldiers was definitely not those regular Russian army troops + totally different colors and no Red arm bands either. It could be those were Russian special forces or mercenary squad but definitely looked similar to Ukrainian uniforms, although no Blue or Yellow arm bands.

#745: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 4:54 am
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Russia may have won that battle but bad news on the horizon. Germans sending estimated 300 Marder APC's with 20mm, Americans sending Bradley's and several European nations sending Leopard 2's.
Putin using Stalin-style sacrifice of conscripts, executions and lots of prisoners being used by Wagner (but not allowed to call themselves regular mercenaries, nor do they get paid).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagner-groups-secret-squadron-of-executioners-accused-of-killing-their-own-men-in-ukraine?via=rss&source=articles_fancylink

https://news.yahoo.com/terrified-draftees-expose-russia-scheme-124210753.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

“Soldiers with shrapnel in their limbs and bullets through their lungs are being returned to the front”

"...majority of the prisoners in Wagner’s ranks are “completely insane” inmates freed from lengthy terms for drug offenses. They “are very different from ordinary mercenaries, they are just fucked up and bulldoze their way through”

#746: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:59 pm
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There's clearly some confusion at the trench.

They are in concussion due to grenade explosion in start of video.

Big video: https://t.me/btr80/3925

Russian and Ukrainian forces uses different camouflage , reality of war - people wear non what supposed to be, but what was available.

#747: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:45 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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There's clearly some confusion at the trench.

Its possible they were concussed.

They seemed alert enough to say "same side" to the Wagnerite who approached the trench.

#748: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:47 pm
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Germans sending estimated 300 Marder APC's with 20mm, Americans sending Bradley's and several European nations sending Leopard 2's.

Yeah, finally we will watch WW3-clashes between T72&BMPs vs Leopards and Bradleys, delivered with some 40 years late.

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What kind of gun did the Russian have?

It is AK-12, with special feature on end of barrel to break glasses and chunk barberwire by shot: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20193291817-8V6qk.html (video on that side may not be played outside Russia)

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Its possible they were concussed.

They seemed alert enough to say "same side" to the Wagnerite who approached the trench.

I guess the video was leaked for educational purposes. Noone should ever do such dumb things on battlefield. All attempts to save enemy`s live or entering with enemy into communication are fruitless and only produces more pain for both sides. Stormers should just throw a second grenade right into fire position or shot them from behind a tree. Men in position should just shoot on movement, its up to their friends trouble to make aware and clear approach while closing distance.

#749: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:52 pm
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“Soldiers with shrapnel in their limbs and bullets through their lungs are being returned to the front”

"...majority of the prisoners in Wagner’s ranks are “completely insane” inmates freed from lengthy terms for drug offenses. They “are very different from ordinary mercenaries, they are just fucked up and bulldoze their way through”

Russian and Ukrainian propagandas are virtually identical in terms and methods. Realy a fight with a mirror. Often catches myself on think, that news for both sides are written by same people, and then just colors and some words are replaced. May be AI already captured us.

#750: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:31 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

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Germans sending estimated 300 Marder APC's with 20mm, Americans sending Bradley's and several European nations sending Leopard 2's.

Yeah, finally we will watch WW3-clashes between T72&BMPs vs Leopards and Bradleys, delivered with some 40 years late.

Quote:

What kind of gun did the Russian have?

It is AK-12, with special feature on end of barrel to break glasses and chunk barberwire by shot: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20193291817-8V6qk.html (video on that side may not be played outside Russia)

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Its possible they were concussed.

They seemed alert enough to say "same side" to the Wagnerite who approached the trench.

Definitely those are old relics from the 80's. The Germans actually have those Marder in storage not even in use for many years. Apparently the Ukrainians preferred NOT to have the American Abrahams tanks due to concerns of high maintenance. Also Lithuania will be delivering AA cannons. Ukraine seems to be shooting down many of the Russian missiles and preventing Russian from gaining air superiority. Russia is also playing it safe preferring not to take heavy aircraft losses with search and destroy sorties of Ukrainian AA positions.

The video definitely has educational benefits but in my opinion was it was done for propaganda & selfish reasons. I was surprised the Russian mercenaries were imbedded with Russian regular army. We are told here in West that there is rivalry between them and Russian regular army does not like the mercenaries. Seems like common problem, American military also known not to like working with private defense firms mostly due to pay inequity.

That AK definitely looked unusual and not 7.62, like a hybrid SMG or pistol caliber rifle. I was trying to figure out what that attachment was at end of rifle, looked like red dot scope but didn't belong there. Also I think the Ukrainians had already retreated and those 3 in fox hole got left behind & pinned down.

#751: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:21 pm
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https://news.yahoo.com/russias-wagner-mercenaries-lead-bloody-131919110.html

Good video of Wagner recruiting prisoners from jail and giving speeches at 1:17. 00:42 shows the Wagner pirate style battle flag, fits them well. Commander says "don't drink, don't do drugs and don't rape".

Also he claims to be using 2.5x more ammo than what Red Army used in Stalingrad? Highly doubt it. But definite parallels with Stalingrad as endless battle of attrition meat grinder.

#752: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:48 am
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I guess its not real hard to figure out the Russian mind set... do what we ask or we will destroy you, your wife, mother, daughters and sons. Not to mention your grandparents, aunties , uncles etc.... and its all Zelenskys fault because he would not let us rule your own country.

We Russians are the good guys I don't know why the free world cannot see this.... Lets eradicate another multistory residential building then maybe you will understand... its not our fault... its Zelensky's and the other nazi gay loving members of the hohol community.

Did they shoot themselves in the foot (again). Will the western leaders finally say enough is enough...

Maybe..... but one thing is for sure... it will happen again next week and the week after.... and......

Sadly they are going to have to kill every Ukrainian that breathes before they do..

Slava Ukraine

#753: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:57 am
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Bungarra wrote (View Post):

Slava Ukraine

Sieg Heil)

#754: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:06 pm
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There comes a point when you can just no longer defend your countries actions right?

#755: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:10 pm
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In last three weeks i`m visited Belarus, Crimea, Belgorod and Rostov. What is seems from land:

1. All military production entered into 24/7 work regime. It finances and supplied right from the state reserves, no more peacetime shit about budget considerations, tender competitions and all of that. Heard, that inspectors from Accounts Chamber are barred from entering defense industries. Belarus defense industry seems like on 100% load too.
2. Ukraine nearly daily tries to strike boarder Russian regions with drones and tactical missiles. That attacks lacks numbers, AA defenses well adapted and shoot all incomings. But everybody understand, that it is only a pin-point checks before new waves of strikes by long-range drones and cruise missiles, already delivered from West to Ukraine and in process of 'ukrainization'.
3. Russian railways are in great struggle. They was relatively largely depend on cooperation with Germany, including electronics and software, and now are in non-simple transition process to domestic supplies. They are also overloaded due to huge amount of military transfers. Loss of tens thousands railcars in EU and Ukraine, total trade logistical switch from West to East are additional obstacles. For a first time in last, like 10 years, my trains was late in hours.
4. Big trouble is former children summer rehabilitations centers for children's from Ukraine. Ukraine ceased any communications on ombudsmen's, its virtually impossible to notify, or even find parents from Ukraine-controlled territories. Lot of childrens became an orphanage residents.
5. War become completely a usual thing. People sit in park, watch fountains and eat ice-creams, while the ERs with injured, delivered from the frontlines, are passed nearby. Than the air attack warning comes, people lazily flow into express-make shelter in backyard of military recruitment office, from it a Shilka AA pod rolls out into a city square. Some very distant shots, air warning ends, people goes back into park, Shilka dismounts and rolls back. Pastoral.

#756: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:06 pm
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Thank you for that JFF.

#757: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:04 am
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Bungarra wrote (View Post):

I guess its not real hard to figure out the Russian mind set... do what we ask or we will destroy you, your wife, mother, daughters and sons. Not to mention your grandparents, aunties , uncles etc.... and its all Zelenskys fault because he would not let us rule your own country.

"The Devil is on my side" - Josef Stalin

#758: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:14 am
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The moment has come when we simply no longer have to defend the actions of our country. Thank God, our country defends itself.

"Gott mit Uns" - Winston Churchill

#759: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:06 pm
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Actually Stalin said the "Devil is on my side" quote to Churchill when they met after Kursk victory. Churchill told Stalin, God is on our side. Stalin replied with Devil is on his side, showing his true devious intentions.

It is clear that Vlad has modeled his reign very much after Stalin. And the frequent propaganda trying to link the illegal invasion of sovereign nation to the Great Patriotic War and fight against "Nazi's". And imprisonment or death sentence for those whom dare to oppose him. Even Oligarchs known to make critical statements are hunted down and killed when on foreign soil. Like how Stalin had his thugs stick ice pick in Trotsky while in Mexico.

If Ukraine really was a Nazi state why would they allow African immigrants to live there with open arms and tolerate gays? The real Nazi's did neither and would imprison or kill gays. Ukraine can't simultaneously be both pro-gay and Nazi state at the same time. Russia needs to choose it's binary either one or the other in their propaganda talking points.

#760: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:19 pm
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Ukraine can't simultaneously be both pro-gay and Nazi state at the same time

Yeah, the war writes off any debts: https://apostrophe.ua/news/kyiv/podii/2021-07-30/na-bankovoy-kopyi-razognali-miting-foto/239849

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Russia needs to choose it's binary either one or the other in their propaganda talking points.

May be others should develop better eyes that mole and better memory that of goldfish? Just kidding, keep drinking Ukranian piss, its proclaimed gold by Biden itself!

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