mooxe wrote (View Post): |
It raises questions then about how these countries are brothers and how Russia is only engaging military targets.... yet there's 1.5million refugees? |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
1.5 million refugees in 11 days. There will most likely be more though right? |
paratmar wrote (View Post): | ||
These countries are brothers. Ukraine is like: Britain for the USA |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Is Zelensky a Nazi? Or a fascist? |
paratmar wrote (View Post): | ||
Maybe more, maybe not. I am not a fortune teller and I do not have accurate data from reliable sources. I can give links to who left Ukraine these days, how much they paid for their release by their own border guards, and how they behave in those countries where they arrived. But since I, unlike you, am not sure of any source of information, I do not want to participate in the information war. I analyze information and draw conclusions for myself based on my own knowledge. According to the conditional rule I have deduced, all figures about our own losses must be multiplied by at least 3, and the losses of the enemy should be divided by 10. So here, 1.5 million refugees in reality, I think, is no more than 500 thousand. |
paratmar wrote (View Post): | ||
He is an actor, a showman, a jester who accidentally took the post of president. A good actor, but this is not enough to manage such a complex structure as the state. However, like Herostratus, he will leave a mark on history, and I think this will be enough for him. |
dj wrote (View Post): | ||||
Actually this is fair analogy of the situation in Ukraine. When America wanted our independence from mother country, they also got very angry sent invasion fleets more and more troops. And we also got help from foreign power (France). Britain also retaliated and invaded our capital, destroyed our buildings and tried to terrorize local populations into submission. Russia is about to find out the hard way, just as in the case of our mother country, that you can't win without very high costs and toll on military forces. Same reasons why Mikhail Gorbachav withdrew Soviet troops from East Europe, Soviet Union could not financially sustain decades of forced occupation of nations against their will. Putin dreams new Soviet style empire may end up in his own demise. |
dj wrote (View Post): | ||||
It's basic math. Ukraine has population of over 40 million people. Those numbers are provided by International community sources not some Imperial NATO conspiracy to frame Russia. 1.5 million out of population of 40M is very credible and reasonable number. There are reports of some refugees going to Russia as well. Who is helping the Ukrainian refugees? International community and volunteers are all pitching in to help from across Europe and United States. There is no real 3 dimensional chess or political angle to lie about refugees numbers. Russia is bombing, shelling Ukrainian cities, cutting off access to power/food...naturally they will flee. No games or lies about this. |
dj wrote (View Post): | ||||
Sounds like your answer to Mooxe's question is Nyet. I assume when most Russians heard Putin's claim Ukraine had "Nazi" government they knew it was not credible and more of trash talk than reality. We say here in my country those whom call the other side Nazi's have lost the argument. Or in other words, those whom oppose Putin's Russia are all Nazi's by default? I guess that's the new definition of Nazi according to Putin. |
mooxe wrote (View Post): |
Why are Russians protesting the war? |
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But you ignore a big difference - the error has been pointed out by many news outlets and fact checkers, including the Ukraine military itself- this is no secret, there is no gotcha! |
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Why are Russians protesting the war?
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paratmar wrote (View Post): | ||||||
I even envy you a little, in your confidence in the reliability of information from open sources. I think that they hardly reflect reality, at least 70%. In the most optimistic case, it is 50%. |
Desertmouse wrote (View Post): |
Strange answer ?
The question was WHY not what percentage |
dj wrote (View Post): | ||||||||
The source today is from Polish government whom is on-boarding and counting the number of Ukrainian refugees entering. They have updated tally of 1 million now. Again very credible because Poland is friendly towards Ukraine and most similar ethnic. Romania and Moldova are very poor countries and can not handle the refugees without the assistance of International Red Cross or other foreign aid. https://thehill.com/policy/international/597045-ukrainian-refugees-expected-to-top-1-million-in-poland |
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