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#821: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:48 am
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Meanwhile, we are expecting Russia to launch new offensive soon before the snow melts and before the Western tanks arrive.

Its easily to find videos, how Ukrainian lands looks right now, to dismiss such claims without future study. Or look at some weather data in Europe - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64158283 . Meanwhile, Ukraine definitely winning a war. War over Russian books - https://www.rada.gov.ua/news/news_kom/232711.html . Captain Beatty approves.

#822: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:10 pm
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Hmmm .... if you can blow up a gas pipeline to Europe ..... then you can also sink tankers with liquefied gas there ..... or is it different?)

#823: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:24 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Wikipedia is not about evidences, facts. Wikipedia is something different. For example, in 2009 Bill Browder made a series of interviews, where he called Sergei Magnitsky as his friend and famous lawyer. Browder openly lied, they met only several times strictly on business issues, and Magnitsky never was a lawyer, he was an accountant.

why US forces are still present in Syria?

Russian oil oligarchs was depraved from buying several assets during 90s, when there was no Putin. OK, they was rightly discovered as crime lords or their proxies. But result is still the same - when you unable to proceed with economic and diplomatic measures, you will proceed with war.

Again, declared intentions is one thing, what was done in reality - completely different. Browder was one of servant of real plan. Or Western politicians was extremely dumb with their dealing with Russia and post-Soviet states. Although, dumbness likely was also a part of the plan.

As previously mentioned, would it have made any difference what source I chose to document the extensive list of Soviet and post-USSR war crimes? Many of those war crimes were already acknowledged by former Soviet Union officials. Nobody takes the Russian government seriously any longer they lie so often or produce dis-information. For example the laughable claims, "we are not going to invade Ukraine" one year ago and they did. Countless other examples especially about the Great Patriotic War, pretending to fight Nazi's when shared conquest of Poland & genocide of Polish "Bourgeoisie" officers.

Syria: “The official goal of the Americans in Syria is defeating ISIS and ensuring that ISIS does not return to the areas that have been liberated,” said Mzahem Alsaloum, a Syrian analyst. “But the presence of the Americans is also important to cut [Iranian] military and smuggling supply lines [from Iraq] … if the Iranians took al-Tanf, there would be a direct link between Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus.”

Interesting you chose to bring up Browder again. If he was just "dumb" businessman, what enraged Putin so much to ban him? If Magnitsky was just an "accountant", why did Russian State hold him in jail a year and without trial? You do realize that Westerners want to invest in Russia if we could? If it wasn't Browder other Westerners would to seek "value" investments in emerging markets. As far as dispute of "lawyer" vs auditor....another moot point. Tax auditor frequently if not daily serve as mediators or Court representatives...very similar to lawyer. And the entire premise of false charges vs Hermitage was based on tax disputes. Precisely why Magnitsky was hired. No need to sugarcoat what happened, Browder exposed corruption and the Russian government got scared. Largest tax refund in Russian State history for fake Mafia-controlled shell companies with criminal owners.

#824: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:35 pm
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by the way - stolen Russian money was also laundered here in America to purchase real estate many times. Not by Browder but by Russians. Why are Russians looting State tax refunds and laundering $ at the Centre of Capitalism in New York City? For example, the largest Real Estate home purchase in American history was made by Russian Oligarch whom paid 2x market value for one of Trump's homes.

#825: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:20 pm
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Many of those war crimes were already acknowledged by former Soviet Union officials

Gorbachev and Yeltsin did it mostly to obtain Western credits. Like Gaddafy admited Lockerbie. The legal processes each time was no different from worst monkey courts of Soviet era. With old NKVD operative tells on camera, how he kills hundreds of Polish POWs a day by pocket-size pistol with just 50 shots barrel life.

About Browder. On papers, he was large investor into Russia. But nobody finded or will found a single building, industry, farm, commerce or road, built with help of HMC investments. Actually, HMC did the following: having a cloud of daughter firms in Russia, it purchases some amount of large Russian enterprises stoks on stock exchange. Because 'Potemkin' firms looks as not affiliated, such trades did not drew attention of both regulators and enterprises boards. Then, at yearly meetings of shareholders, Browder's minorities acts together to re-shift dividends, with help of syncronius media campaign by Browder minion 'journalists'. Stock holders get increased dividends, stock prices rises, and stocks was immediately dropped, with additional profit. This schemes may be not illegal, especially in that time russian laws, but are clear parasitism and stock market exploitation. In 2007, when HMC enterprises in Russia was searched, there were virtually no material assets was found - profits was invested into next schemes or drained into offshores. Victims of Browder tactic include state companies like Gazprom and RAO UES, so govt clearly wanted to stop HMC activities in Russia. Tax frauds accusations was later settled by Browder's partners with large sums of pays - Browder guiltiness is for your own decision.

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If Magnitsky was just an "accountant", why did Russian State hold him in jail a year and without trial?

Probably wanted from him to give up location of money or some compromising info. He resisted. Such things happen in Russia, may be in other countries, when a large sums of money involved.

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Tax auditor frequently if not daily serve as mediators or Court representatives...very similar to lawyer.

In Russia auditors not represent anyone in court. At worst they may be called as witness. Auditors are work with papers. In preparation to one of next Browders attack Sergey probably found tax fraud evidences. Browder decided to use it, but at that times his ship in Russia already sunk under his legs. Magnitsky became a collaterial damage.

#826: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:12 pm
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Another video about death punishment in PMC Wagner disclosed as hoax - https://topwar.ru/210849-video-kazni-byvshego-zakljuchennogo-bojcami-vagnera-okazalos-postanovkoj-ot-chvk.html

News only for those, who don't know, that Prigozhin have a film studio, made several movies:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12093064/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15251228/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17352384/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15237914/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22530256/

So technically Wagner group can film whatever they want.

#827: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:44 pm
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Another video about death punishment in PMC Wagner disclosed as hoax - https://topwar.ru/210849-video-kazni-byvshego-zakljuchennogo-bojcami-vagnera-okazalos-postanovkoj-ot-chvk.html

Hoax or not people are being killed daily. Its weird to focus on one death when entire cities are being flattened with the populations killed or driven away.

#828: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:26 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

Gorbachev and Yeltsin did it mostly to obtain Western credits. Like Gaddafy admited Lockerbie. The legal processes each time was no different from worst monkey courts of Soviet era.

About Browder. On papers, he was large investor into Russia. But nobody finded or will found a single building, industry, farm, commerce or road, built with help of HMC investments. Actually, HMC did the following: having a cloud of daughter firms in Russia, it purchases some amount of large Russian enterprises stoks on stock exchange.

You're right about one thing....Gorbachev and Yeltsin were somewhat popular and credible in the West. Reagan went from calling Soviet Union an evil empire to praising Gorbachev. But the War Mongers and haters in Soviet Union did not want peace, they wanted War and more hate of the West. Nikita Khrushchev also tried appeasing the West in de-Stalinization campaign? He was hero of Stalingrad and respectable leader of Soviet Union, hardly a "sell-out" to the West. Other Soviet officials acknowledged lies about Katyn massacre, wanting Poles in Warsaw uprising to be killed by Germans on purpose and most recently they acknowledged really never had Hitler's remains.

Let me ask in you about Browder in a different way then...why would the Russian State want to issue someone whom they alleged was CIA agent the largest tax refund in the history of your government? Does not make any sense. And yes...of course he would want to invest in Russian stocks. That's actually the most common form of investment. In fact, probably the only legal way for him to do it under your State laws. I highly doubt Putin allows foreign owners of Russian hard assets like land or commodities.

Meanwhile, interesting to see that "Criminal" anti-war journalist Marina Ovsyannikova cut off her ankle bracelet and escaped out of Russia. Avoiding 10 year jail sentence and new laws making it illegal for Russian journalists to object to war or even call Ukraine invasion a war. Marina is very brave courageous Russian woman...respect! Without Truth, there will only be tyranny and slavery.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/11/russian-anti-war-journalist-marina-ovsyannikova-recounts-escape/

#829: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Bungarra, Location: Murchison region, West Australia

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:36 pm
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Playing a game of CC and a flail tank came trundling around the corner...

Which got me thinking why are they not still used for mine clearing..

I have seen all these new fan dangled mine clearers but surely the flail would be cheaper in every respect..

Cost and simplicity..... just an observation.

#830: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:19 pm
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Syria: “The official goal of the Americans in Syria is defeating ISIS and ensuring that ISIS does not return to the areas that have been liberated,” said Mzahem Alsaloum, a Syrian analyst. “But the presence of the Americans is also important to cut [Iranian] military and smuggling supply lines [from Iraq] … if the Iranians took al-Tanf, there would be a direct link between Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus.”

H-m, if, in order to fight with narco-calterls, Russian will invade into Mexico and place army on north regions (which are largely outside of Mexico govt control), to block 'direct link' between narcotics and US customers, will it be OK? Nobody will oppose fight against narcotics, isn't it?

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Reagan went from calling Soviet Union an evil empire to praising Gorbachev

No surprise, everyone loves when an enemy gives up step after step to complete oblivion by its own will.

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Hoax or not people are being killed daily. Its weird to focus on one death when entire cities are being flattened with the populations killed or driven away.

In the war people are killed. Water is wet. Its cold in winter. And other breaking news, everyone.

I'm here from 2011. Since that, there was war in Libya, war in Syria, Kenia invasion into Somalia, war in Sudan, war in Mali, war in Yemen, war in Mozambique, war in Central Afrika, war in Karabakh, ISIS uprising in Philippines, countless clashes in Israel-Palestin. Just ended an Ethiopia war, with HUNDREDS of thousands lives lost. Non of them drew anyone's attention, except Syria war after Russian involvement. People think, that they are clicking remotes and links to be aware, but its the media clicks to people's brains. The blood is flown by Nile-scale rivers, but let's focus on one of fifty shades of red.

#831: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:24 am
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JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):

...Russian will invade into Mexico and place army on north regions (which are largely outside of Mexico govt control), to block 'direct link' between narcotics and US customers, will it be OK? Nobody will oppose fight against narcotics, isn't it?

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Reagan went from calling Soviet Union an evil empire to praising Gorbachev

No surprise, everyone loves when an enemy gives up step after step to complete oblivion by its own will.

I'm here from 2011. Since that, there was war in Libya, war in Syria, Kenia invasion into Somalia, war in Sudan, war in Mali, war in Yemen, war in Mozambique, war in Central Afrika, war in Karabakh, ISIS uprising in Philippines, countless clashes in Israel-Palestin. Just ended an Ethiopia war, with HUNDREDS of thousands lives lost. Non of them drew anyone's attention, except Syria war after Russian involvement...let's focus on one of fifty shades of red.

#832: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:42 am
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Mexico has not had war with America for over 100 years not the best analogy. Although Mexico gangs are notorious for beheading people, they are nothing compared to the terror ISIS commits. As soon as the very modest tiny American presence leaves, ISIS will immediately return and stir up trouble again. You see they know this already just waiting game, they will regroup and return. US has no interest in Syria don't worry....virtually zero public support for yet another war.

Help me understand what exactly did Gorbachev and Yeltsin give up to the West? If you mean Gorbachev leaving Afganistan and the Berlin Wall, those were foregone conclusions way too expensive Soviet Union almost bankrupt.
And I have no idea what you think Yeltsin gave up. There was no more Soviet "Union" any longer. Like if USA breaks up in future, can not call it "United" any longer. The states that wanted to break up had the right to be independent and there was nothing Yeltsin could have done, zero leverage no power.

Another invalid analogy because you are comparing third world proxy wars and civil wars, most lasting decades. The difference is the Russian invasion of sovereign nation is the first such action since World War 2. And very much WW2 style war of aggression like how Hitler justified his invasions to "protect" ethnic Germans in other nations.

#833: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:46 am
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*Russia made first invasion of sovereign state in Europe since WW2

#834: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: paratmar,

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:24 pm
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interesting footage from the first person - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8k9VgMaJo

#835: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:12 pm
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Russia breaks from START treaty. The last remanence of Cold War-era system of balance falls. Time to replay one good PC game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whh6D9F0o2c

#836: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:30 pm
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One year later, why is Russia in the Ukraine?

#837: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:56 pm
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Lessons From the Ukraine War

Lesson One: Mass

https://taurevanime.substack.com/p/lessons-from-the-ukraine-war

#838: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: Berger,

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:06 pm
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War for Ukraine - First Conclusions from 2022 and New Challenges 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54daqNraMxE

#839: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: JFFulcrum,

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:37 pm
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Although Mexico gangs are notorious for beheading people, they are nothing compared to the terror ISIS commits.

I give no difference between people cutting off heads in Middle East and people hanging victims on bridges and overpasses in North Mexico - it all done to fear others.

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As soon as the very modest tiny American presence leaves, ISIS will immediately return and stir up trouble again.

US presence helps against ISIS uprisings in Sinai, Egypt? In Philippines?

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If you mean Gorbachev leaving Afganistan and the Berlin Wall, those were foregone conclusions way too expensive Soviet Union almost bankrupt.

Only if ignore direct relations between territorial control and economy. If you shrink territorial control, your economy will shrink in proportion, drowning into crisis even more. All empires got that lessons. You can trade direct control to something less control, but Gorbachev (and Yeltsin) just given up. Dumbness, cowardness, or acting as enemy agents - not much to care about.

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And I have no idea what you think Yeltsin gave up. There was no more Soviet "Union" any longer. Like if USA breaks up in future, can not call it "United" any longer. The states that wanted to break up had the right to be independent and there was nothing Yeltsin could have done, zero leverage no power.

Another lesson: French colonial empire in Afrika. Someone may be surprised, but it start really fall only in last decade, despite all the 'independencies'.

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And very much WW2 style war of aggression like how Hitler justified his invasions to "protect" ethnic Germans in other nations.

Unlikely we can discuss it 'in Hamburg scoring', about Hitlers intentions and declarations - laws, Visentalists and so on. Likely only folks somewhere in Indonesia have freedom to discuss it (and Holocaust) publicly. Though that matter was not unique and never were expired in the world.

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One year later, why is Russia in the Ukraine?

Same as previously - no real reasons not to be there.

#840: Re: War in Ukraine? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:34 pm
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One year later, why is Russia in the Ukraine?

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Same as previously - no real reasons not to be there.

No real reason not to be there... do you recognize Ukraine as being its own country?

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