HistoryTeaches wrote: |
i think there is a dvd version of Downfall for the us
so it must be in english |
Pzt_Kami wrote: |
Hi All;
"The Big Red One",Hmmm.I know a game with this title.Should be about 1st US Inf Division.But Thanks king_tiger_tank. -Kambiz |
Pzt_Kami wrote: |
At the last scenes of the movie,There's a battle between elements "US 101st AB" and a (probably) batalion of
"2nd SS Panzer division(Das Reich)".As far as I know these units didnt met eachothers in Normandy(2nd SS had a month delay before arriving the battlefield). |
Pzt_Kami wrote: |
So,What are those two Tigers in the movie? |
God4Saken wrote: |
I'm not sure if there were any Iranian/Persian troops there, probably not, although there may have been one or two in the Whermacht serving in the so-called "Ost" battalions |
God4Saken wrote: |
I read this account of D-Day, where some German prisoners taken at Omaha beach were found to be orientals in Whermacht uniform. The US army eventually identified them as Koreans and learned that they had originally been drated by the Japanese into the Kwantung Army in Manchuria in the 1930's, captured by the Red Army at Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939, imprisoned by the Russians then drafted into a penal battalion by the Red Army in 1941 to fight the Gemans who captured them and then drafted them into an Ost battalion which was sent to France, where they were captured by the US Army in 1944. What an adventure! Amost as good as a Kontiki tour. Apparently these Koreans were repatriated back to Korea when the war ended and were most likely drafted into a Korean army, either north or South to fight in the 1950-53 war. Now that would make a good WW2 movie. |
God4Saken wrote: |
This makes them learn more about history, especially an important period of world history. |
God4Saken wrote: |
Imagine if Saving Private Ryan had been made in Bollywood in India instead? All that singing and dancing on Omaha Beach, let's not go there. |
God4Saken wrote: |
Along the way, elements of the 2nd SS slaughtered around 640 French civilians in the village of Oradour-sur-Glane and razed the town. |
God4Saken wrote: |
Hope that this helps |
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Along the way, elements of the 2nd SS slaughtered around 640 French civilians in the village of Oradour-sur-Glane and razed the town. Most of the women and children were burnt to death when they were herded into the local church and it was deliberately burnt to the ground. |
God4Saken wrote: |
Troger, I'm a little disturbed with your contribution here regarding the massacre at Oradour-sur-Glane. The justification given for the actions of the Waffen SS that day was the alleged killing by French resistance of one Sturmbannfuhrer Helmut Kampfe, who remains missing believed dead to this day (The 2nd SS Pz Div officers were under the impression that the resistance had abducted and killed him, but it was never proven, and anyway, that is irrelevant). For that, around 640 people, mostly defenceless and helpless civilians were killed by the Waffen SS. I wouldn't care if the French Resistance, (FFI or FTP "Commies") killed one or one hundred German soldiers, for the SS to do what they did that day is utterly barbaric and horrific, and is a war-crime regardless. Now what exactly constitutes a war-crime can be vigorously debated, but I don't think that there should be any arguement here with this attrocity.
The SS troops had a choice that day, they could have stopped to carry out the massacre or they could have continued on to Normandy to attack the allies without delay (Which was actually their primary mission). They made the choice to wipe out all those helpless civilians, purely due to their homicidal-come-psychopathic nature that these SS troops displayed (They had recently been transferred from the Russian Front where such attrocities were the norm and actively encouraged). Now if you thought the French "Commies" were cowardly in their attacks, how brave were the SS troops in brutally herding at gunpoint sceaming women clutching babies and other children into a church, barricading the building, then dousing it with petrol and setting it alight, ensuring that those inside either burned to death or died of asphyxiation? We'll never know how many of those soldiers would have been laughing or crying at what they were doing, but I'm willing to bet it was the former. How many SS or Whermacht officers were executed during WW2 after being found guilty of disobeying a direct order to commit an attrocity against civilains? The Germans weren't in France as liberators bringing "Freedom, Liberty, Justice and Mocracey" to the country after deposing some dictator who supposedly had WMD's and they weren't peace-keepers maintaining law and order in a chaotic anarchistic environment. They had invaded the country and brutally enslaved the vast majority of it's population. Oradour-sur-Glane or Sebrinica or Nanking or Lidice or Katyn or Babi Yar or any other such attrocity should not be merely dismissed as the fault of a few so-called cowardly resistance members, they were the responsibility of those who perpertrated the massacres and those who encouraged such massacres to take place. We all enjoy playing this CC5 game and researching WW2 history, but we should never forget that millions died in that war and many millions more suffered horrendously, all beacuse some psychopathic, demented, amateur artist and failed soldier felt hard done by and wanted some Lebensraum. |
MörserCarl wrote: |
That division and the US 101st airborne division were the only experienced US divisions that took part in the campaign in northwest Europe On D-Day, the 1st infantry division and the 29th division landed on the Calvados coastline, which became known as Omaha beach. The Big Red One gained its experience in North Africa and Sicily... as far as I am aware. |
Troger wrote: |
......... |
GS_v_Richthofen wrote: |
My favourite WW2 movie is "Das Boot",
its a very realistic movie about a german Submarine. Watching this movie in a cold, rainy and stormy night gives you a great imagination of these poor man in their submarine. |
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