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#1: mikwarleo's reply to Spear_hk (aka yummydog) Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:20 pm
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Ah, sigh, yummydog, aka Spear_hk, really is a sad guy, imho...

I find no joy in winning by cheating, never have, and never will.

But I've been clearly called a cheat so I'll give a detailed account of what's going on here, from my point of view, this should be my first and final say on the matter...

I've been pretty pissed off with Spear now for a while because we were playing a GC for months and I was absolutely thrashing him (yes, without anything that could be considered cheating!) and then he turns around one day and says, 'you lost because you cheated'. This is just, well, that together with his outright calling me a cheat on the forum... it's pissed me off enough to write this and tell my side of the story about this guy (and to blacklist him from my gaming experience). He never peeped a word to me that he was unhappy about anything until I find he's calling me a cheat on the forum. Another GC partner of mine alerted me to his posts... and of course, unbeknown to Spear, I've played GCs with many of you and as you all know I don't cheat.

But I'll get into the 'cheating' thing in a moment. What I want everyone to understand first is that what prompted Spear_hk (yummydog) to make this post is that I was absolutely punishing him in the GJS GC we were playing. So much so that I had secured a major victory in less than a week! In a highlight battle I took Bayeux from him while I was out of supply and, simply put, I dealt out one crushing blow after another with the allies rolling inland at an extraordinary pace. My tank loss ratio was about 1:1.5, very acceptable indeed. At day 11 I hold *Carpiquet* and beyond all the way to his supply depos! Caen is in big trouble, I left the job of mauling his 26/12SS to one para BG and they've all but annihilated him at Caen. The front line consists of battles at Villers-Bocage, Tourville, Gavrus and Hill 112 ... simply put, I have a very strong major victory secured, at day 11! It would take a miracle for him to push me back in any significant way, even more miraculous to push me back to a minor victory and beyond!

It's not to hard to see from this and what he's said on the forums that Spear was very eager to find a reason for his crushing defeat, one that didn't amount to: you got beaten by a better player. You can see evidence of this in his original post where he also asks if I have too many tanks (i.e. unlimited reinforcements).

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2444

As everyone knows allies have many hundreds of tanks in GJS (400? more?) and the ratio is something like 1:2.5 german:allied armour as far as I can tell (so again 1:1.5 is great!). I imagine that since his original post he's found this side of his argument has no weight whatsoever so he’s clinging to the Nav story to deny my victory.

After I secured a major victory in 7 days and consolidated my position I suggested to Spear that he had lost and his situation was hopeless. He replied with insults and declared that he could counter attack. While this was laughable and his insults did entice me to stop playing with him, I resolved that he had the right to fight on and while I knew it was basically a *big* waste of my time I continued the GC to cement my victory beyond all doubt and so as not to be a bad sport. I said nothing more of it. And again, to this point he had never once made any complaints or comments of any sort regarding my number of tanks or Nav barrages either to me or on the forums.

Now, I consider Spear to be a decent player skill-wise, though not great. In the 2 arguments we've had (after the 2nd I blacklisted him and blocked his chat because it's pointless talking to him, he’s the only player on GS I’ve ever felt the need to take this action with) he's demonstrated that he considers himself to be very good indeed. At one point he arrogantly asked me if I had seen his tournament house ranking in a vain attempt to say he was the better player and then asked what my ranking was. When I explained I don't play TH he responded, 'because you are scared?!'

Now like many people I’ve been known to get a bit upset sometimes after a bad defeat, especially an unlucky one, but this is going way to far. I mention this to give you a taste of the true character of this guy. It was pointless at the time to demonstrate to a clearly upset Spear that, as several of the Top 10 ranked players can confirm: I have beaten (and am beating) them in GCs and I only play GCs because I find I get most satisfaction out of playing GCs. (As an aside, on a search I did on TH I found Spear to be ranked #65 … how that ranking even rates a mention is something of a mystery to me http://www.tournamenthouse.com/CC5/THallOfFame.shtml ... maybe I’m looking in the wrong place?).

Anyhow, finally to the point of my use of Naval Barrages in this GC. He accuses me of using NAV on “Pegasus Bridge, even Ranville and B.D. Bouent.” Now, before I say what I actually did, I know it’s my word against Spear here, and since you all weren't there to witness our game I intend to use Spear's own words against him to demonstrate who’s genuine in this case. Let's assume for the sake of argument that what Spear is saying is true.

Let's say I used Nav all along the 2nd row maps (of course many of them Nav can reach totally legally in GJS and but they can't reach those Spear is complaining about mentioned above)... this raises a few points:

First and most important:

1. Why didn't Spear stop playing early in the GC if I was 'cheating'?

(the answer of course is ... because I wasn't)

2. Also notice, regardless of how much Nav I did or didn't use, it still doesn't explain how I dealt out such a crushing defeat... Nav can’t reach beyond the first few rows even if you use the exploit, this isn't going to allow me to smash my way to the other side of the strat map in 11 days! Again, on day 11 I hold Carpiquet uncontested and the front line is: Villers-Bocage, Tourville, Gavrus and Hill 112. (This would be quite and achievement even if you had NAV on EVERY map!)

3. So, assuming I did use Naval all across the 2nd row as Spear accuses me of doing (which I didn't) and he continued to play on despite my cheating and got pushed all the way back to his supply depos, why is he saying I lost the GC because I cheated by using Nav illegally?! When a defeat like this is so convincing regardless of NAV?

4. Again, the most telling question of all:
Why is he only saying that I cheated NOW, at the end of the GC, after his defeat is absolutely assured?

5. In case he says I didn’t 'cheat' during the first week or so of the campaign, why would I decide to start ‘cheating’ only *after* I had already secured an unbreakable victory? Clearly it doesn't make any sense.

I invite anyone to tell me: who won, who lost?

Now, what I did actually do is used Nav against him ONE TIME at Bois Du Bavent (I think it was). If anything it came down to simple impatience not a desire to cheat. (Of course I can't remember everything that happened during months of play but as I've explained, if I had of been doing it like Spear is suggesting wouldn't he have complained, called me a cheat and quit much sooner? I know for certain that recently in the GC I used Nav only ONE TIME). Of course, the truth is I simply didn't do what he's suggesting. I'd already won, by miles, without Nav, unlimited reinforcements or any other 'cheat' or exploit!

The naval bombardment that has prompted him to run to the forum destroyed all of ONE infantry gun and mauled ONE infantry unit on his side... that's it.

And again, he said nothing at the time! No complaints, nothing. All he said was, 'I didn't know nav could reach here'... to which I replied (which is a running joke between me and another GC partner where he's giving me a very tough time as allies)... 'Monty ordered special guns...'

Now of course I was joking, but he didn't understand that (I assume because of his poor English). He keeps complaining I said I 'had special destroyers' as if that was some sinister plan to hide my 'cheating' ways. (Clearly I am an evil genius to think of such an excuse). Anyhow, instead of confronting me in-game he went to the forum, using a different name (he plays as Spear_hk and posts as yummydog) and called me a cheat.

How one Nav bombardment is going to give me a victory like the one I have against him is beyond me. And again, just for the sake of argument, how Nav across “Pegasus Bridge, even Ranville and B.D. Bouent” or even the whole 2 rows, or even the WHOLE MAP, how would that would give me the victory I have on Day 11...??! Well there is only one answer that I can see. It wouldn’t. Nav didn’t beat him, I did.

But again, for you to see this answer to this disagreement more clearly, I suggest you ask yourself why he runs to the forum only now, why did he play on all this time against a 'cheat', why does he chose now, when defeat is assured to turn his back on a game we've been playing for months and declare that in fact, he didn't lose at all, I lost because I cheated?

The truth is I didn't cheat, I don't cheat, it is simply I hurt his pride by dealing out a very crushing defeat that he’s not prepared to accept.

#2: Re: mikwarleo's reply to Spear_hk (aka yummydog) Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:10 am
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The silly bank robber still saying, i don't rob the bank, i don't i donlt....
Laughing

you use more than 70% of your post to tell people how you good, how you win the gc, who care, but you!! The topic is did you cheat, did you use naval strike at 3rd of map. Laughing

mikwarleo wrote:

I find no joy in winning by cheating, never have, and never will.

so why you cheat on our gc?

mikwarleo wrote:

I've played GCs with many of you and as you all know I don't cheat. .

now everyone know you are cheater, I didn't say your name before because i don't want it happen, and i warned you "respect is given by people, unrespect is caused by yourself".

mikwarleo wrote:

After I secured a major victory in 7 days and consolidated my position I suggested to Spear that he had lost and his situation was hopeless..

Hopeless? German 1.6/Lehr holding VBocage, Abt101 and 1/12 without lost any single "bigcat". but they can't counter attack at bridge, becuase there full of naval strike, as everyone know those bg lack of man. and in day10 (15june), you lost over 200tanks. count 20 tanks lost everyday, wow, i think everyone agaree that either i am a good tank hunter or Mikwarleo is a player who playing CC5 as Age of empire. Laughing

mikwarleo wrote:

Now, what I did actually do is used Nav against him ONE TIME at Bois Du Bavent (I think it was)... The naval bombardment that has prompted him to run to the forum destroyed all of ONE infantry gun and mauled ONE infantry unit on his side... that's it.

Finaly! you admit you are CHEATER! after finish our gc, i try to contiue the gc with AI, AI use Naval strike on every 3rd map. you assigned long range naval strike already, but you use it or not depends on situation, why you use naval strike to attack my "little infantry gun"? because you can't breakthrouh there,simple! you cheated to get that map, as whole gc!

as you admited you use it, don't cry i call you cheater. i didn't call you from very begin, and i told you if you keep saying any"i don't , mistick, i will tell everyone the whole story", you apply for this!

mikwarleo wrote:

The truth is I didn't cheat, I don't cheat, it is simply I hurt his pride by dealing out a very crushing defeat that he’s not prepared to accept.

That silly robber arrested by police, he still saying "i don't rob, i don't rob", then the police tell the silly robber. You don't need to found out why bank call police. the point is did you rob the bank. Laughing

I still have somthing to show everyone interested on this matter, Mikwarleo use his good english to explain why he use Long Range Naval Strike (Cheat), the reason may make everyone laught, haha Laughing

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#3: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:59 am
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here some converstion between me and mikwarleo on gamespy, enjoy it, Laughing

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
you know youself, how manytime you used

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
NOT ONE

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
so now I'm going to put the save up there and show everyone what a whinging little bitch you are

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
I don't remember is the truth

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
but I know in the last few games only one time and only once yesterday

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
and it was a mistake

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
mistake!!

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
y

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
how to do that with mistake

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
simple

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
anyhow

MISTAKE??? now we are go to have a closer look how MISTAKE he did, lol.

mistake to assign naval strike to bg?
mistake to move it back to 2nd roll of big map??
mistake to cancell move???
mistake to click the naval strike button?
mistake to click the area he want to lauch the naval strike?
mistakely german units killed by naval stike
and mistake he attack to the point he launched!!

and almost need to remove after every movement phase! becuase he go back to main screen, i don't know what he did, but i don't care!!

below is something from himself:

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:11 AM)
I beat ladder players every day in my GCs
mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:14 AM)
one final thing, I have never, ever lost a GC... why do you think you could beat me ... lol

Mikwarleo, i really don't care about win or lost in our campaign, you don't need to ask people who win who lost.

NOW, I announce that you won the campaign between Spear and Mikwarleo BEAUTIFULLY. so what???

THE TOPIC IS DID YOU CHEAT? YES YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU ALRAEDY ADMITED, NO MATTER HOW I LOST THE GAME. YOU ARE CHEATER!!

#4: Author: poli, Location: The Netherlands

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:46 am
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Enough allready! U 2 dont play each other anymore- nuff said- bury it allready!

#5: Author: WH,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:11 am
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poli wrote:

Enough allready! U 2 dont play each other anymore!

That's it. The solomon's judgement. Rolling Eyes

#6: Author: Blackstump, Location: Hunter Valley Australia

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:20 am
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I see the older and wiser heads are stayin outa this ( smart move ).. but fukit ill throw my two bobs worth in.. ( cant help myself)... ive played you mik, gave me a canning on the beaches as allied with sniper fire.... spear you gave me a canning when ive got loose and full of bad manners too... both as worthy and honourable opponents, both of you possibly take yourselfs to seriously......this is a game for enjoyment remember ?... and ive been beaten by better opponents then both of you...( havent got enough fingers to count ) I have two suggestions A; agree to disagree{shun each other like the plague ) B; the gun fight at ok corral , ie; why dont you fight it out... let the community pick an ops, maybe one of wruffs damnable creations ? options will be preset, rules will be preset, an hounarable dual...fuk cant wait for the AARs

#7: Author: chocoleibniz,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:22 am
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NO way, keep going, this is the best thread I've ever read on here.

I can see spear's angst, but it does seem as though his allegedly humiliating defeat has prompted him to circle his wagons around the 'cheat' accusation as a means to deflect from his, again allegedly, decisive defeat.

#8: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:24 am
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Really?

i just say he cheated, thats he admited, but he bring another isuuse try to find my intension to mask his cheat!

be honest! i ask him so many time before found that he use long range, but i just say "never know naval able to hit this map" in game, then he reply someting like"hehe".

he is 100% Cheater, no doubt!! How he won the game, see next post.

by the way, if anyone want to see my rating on TH, here. it doesn't mean anything, just reply someone about this issue http://www.tournamenthouse.com/CC5/

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#9: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:34 pm
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As someone interested in this topic, i post more, Laughing

now i am going to tell people why he can advance that fast and why i can't launch a counter attack!

on day2-3 , Mikwarleo's unit reach Bayeux, this is the first time he launch a naval strike on 3rd roll map, on the battle his BG's supply line had cutted, but he use naval strike to break my defence, once he break that point, he rush to other vl, and i also lost some when try to replace the killed units. finally my bg "disbanded. That is the first time ask him,"i never know naval able to hit this map", he reply somthing like "hehe".

the other map he use is on Thoan, there is a meeting engament, no need to say he boom me at the begin, i lost so many unit as running to take house. result "disbanded"

since i have 2 denfence bg disband,i have no enough bg to set a defence line on big map, so his bg able to full speed go west.

on day 5-6 i try to use II.22/21 launch a attack from the bridge to cut his supply line since his main force all go west, when this bg reach bridge, i deploy unit on the very limit land area there, no need to say, few M10 supported by Naval strike coming, i lost almost all tanks and the rest was immoblie, luckly i don't disbanded, but go back to Ranville on next movement. becuase i think is very hard to attack from bridge because this map's terrain.

he continue attack with long range from the bridge. my I/12 forced to hide at Troan. untill i really find no reason his naval able to reach even Ranville and Bois Du Bavent (my infantry gun place at the south near bunker, it back up with some units, he can break there, then he use naval, and that is the last game we play), i post to ask people on forum, and i found out he cheated!

once i know that, i don't post his name, and try to pretent i don't know that and continue the game, becuase he can't use this cheat anymore, and i believe that i will launch a attack with II.22/21 to cut out all his beach supply!

however, he tell me off for post on forum but not go to talk to him first. I had talk to him, but his answer is "destoryer has special gun", what can i do, then i go forum.

I have to say he lost more than 210 tanks and my 3 main BG (Bigcat), sum up lost not more than 5 tanks. but they can't find a way to attack.

Thats a really really bad game for me. not even lost and also complained by such player, my "never easy say lost" attidute become the point for attacking (why i don't complaint earlier). I hope I won't play with player like him again.

I had said he lost the gc, but the whole is ----- "you lost the gc, but not defeated by me, you defeated by yourself" Mikwarleo

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#10: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:25 pm
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here some more conversation: enjoy

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:00 AM)
lol ok, well lets let *everyone* on the forum decide

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:00 AM)
now I have nothing further to say to you, I'm muting your messages

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:00 AM)
as you like, please also tell people how to advance that fast

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:01 AM)
because I'm better than you

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:01 AM)
get used to it

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:01 AM)
I beat you before as yummydog, and I beat you now, why do you find that so supprising

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:02 AM)
I have one question for you

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:02 AM)
when did I EVER use nav at Pegasus or BD?

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:02 AM)
wowowow

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:03 AM)
I know I did at ranville

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:03 AM)
you ask that?

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:03 AM)
and it killed what, all of ONE infantry gun and half a infantry unit?

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:03 AM)
just last game we, on the BD Bouent, you use

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:03 AM)
yes I do

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Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
the point is you cheat but you don';t abmit

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
nope I don't, because you lie and sneak around and say things on the forum instead of coming to me first

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
you know youself, how manytime you used

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
NOT ONE

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
so now I'm going to put the save up there and show everyone what a whinging little bitch you are

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:04 AM)
I don't remember is the truth

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
but I know in the last few games only one time and only once yesterday

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
and it was a mistake

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Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
how to do that with mistake

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
simple

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
anyhow

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:05 AM)
move back and cancell move with naval by mistake, lol

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:06 AM)
explain to me how losing one infantry gun and one infantry team to nav has broken your defence?

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:06 AM)
move and cancel move

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:06 AM)
was going to flank with another hit from bridge but decided no too
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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:07 AM)
and I'm playing with much better players than you, and I'm winning against them too

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Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:07 AM)
i ask you why your naval stike able to hit there, how did you reply? remember?

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:08 AM)
yes I replied, JOKING, 'monty ordered special guns for the destroyers'

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:11 AM)
I beat ladder players every day in my GCs

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:11 AM)
like you !

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:11 AM)
lol

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:11 AM)
bye idiot

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:14 AM)
one final thing, I have never, ever lost a GC... why do you think you could beat me ... lol

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:14 AM)
?

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:14 AM)
you lost already

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:14 AM)
you beat yourself

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:15 AM)
funny that, in my game it reads... 'major ALLIED victory' and has done since maybe day 5?

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:15 AM)
no matter what you say, a few extra nav bombardments can't do that... lol

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:16 AM)
then why use use that, lol

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:16 AM)
even if we accept everything that you are saying (which I don't), even with all the NAV in the world, I still well and truely kicked your ***

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:16 AM)
a.ss

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:17 AM)
the reason you are crying like a baby and calling cheat behind my back is because you can't accept how convincingly I beat you

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mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
and you write I held off your panthers with nav

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
lol!

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
what a lie

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
only place i have fought your panthers is bottom corner

Spear_hk (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
why that bg not advance?

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
clearly you aren't that bright are you

mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:18 AM)
goodbye

#11: Author: MörserCarl, Location: Tokyo

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:29 pm
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Chill out guys... it's just a game... just a game...

No more NAV on the second line of maps, of course

I'm more worried about 00:00 crashes, actually...

#12: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:42 pm
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MörserCarl wrote:

Chill out guys... it's just a game... just a game...

No more NAV on the second line of maps, of course

I'm more worried about 00:00 crashes, actually...

Thanks mate, be honest, i am a poor guy, i have nothing but hounor, now he is attacking my most important value!!

I lost that campaign, i don't want to lost my name, too.

#13: Author: Volksjager_cn, Location: Washington state, USA

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:29 pm
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Chill out gentlemen. After reading this thread(s) for 2 days, I can't help myself from not joining in.

When I first learnt that it is mikwarleo, I am both surprised and disappointed. I felt it was just so unnecessary.

I have played against both of you and would consider you both as capable and skilled. In fact, in the on-going GJS gc with mikwarleo, he is giving me quite a beating Razz

The last two positings from YummyDog indicate that the "extended naval support" has been used for more than 1 time clearly meant this is not a mistake. Whether you want to use the word "cheat or exploiting a not-so-well know CCV bug", it doesn't matter. But it definitely skew the favor toward Allies.

It doesn't mean I won't play against you Mike but do play fair and square. Now, move on shall we? My runaway British BG is running amok in your backyard at Carpiquet airfield on Day 3 PM round with Bayeux in my control, our ongoing gc is turning into a very fluid battle phase. No worry, I don't need Monty's special destroyer. He is keeping it to himself and fearful to be prosecuted for breaking the Geneva convention.

The thing is I would consider mikwarleo as one of the toughest player I have met and I believe he can win the GC w/o those 'extened naval' support. It is so unnecessary.

#14: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:41 pm
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conclusion

Since Mikwarleo start our gc, he lost so many many tanks on the beach. so he hardly believed that this is a hard war for him. however, he is the one never face lost on gc mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:14 AM)one final thing, I have never, ever lost a GC... why do you think you could beat me ... lol, and he don't know how to deal with the rest of the game, so he decided to betray his hounor to win that game. luckly or unluckly, he goes very well once he use cheat, then he can't stop himself to contiue to use that for winning. mikwarleo (05/19/06 08:08 AM)yes I replied, JOKING, 'monty ordered special guns for the destroyers', as the game goes by, he afraid Spear will found he cheated. so he try to convince Spear surrander, as quick as finish this game, as saver for him, also he attack from the bridge and kick me out from the 3rd roll of map, so he don't need to use that cheat again. however, no matter how hard he try he can't break there, until Spear found he is cheater. Due to Mikwarleo don't know how to face lost, he use "naming (use 2 different name on gs and forum)", "can't face defeated" to attack me, the purpose is try to attack my hounor for masking his cheat.

jury and my lord, for justice, for equitable game enviroment, please judge Mikwarleo found guilty. Laughing

hahaha

#15: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:39 pm
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After further consideration.

I INVITE MIKWARLEO START A NEW GC, IF YOU BRAVE ENOUGH!! I AM RAEDY TO KILL YOU 400s TANKS THIS TIME.

If you not brave, forget about it. Laughing

Ps: I repeat, no matter what, i also lost the before gc, because you can count i quit that.

#16: Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:46 am
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omg, now he's resorted to telling outright lies. He's a real piece of work this guy... I'm really not that fazed, just pissed he's calling me a cheat and lying to boot. I can prove his lies just don't have time now, will post in next few days and end this nonesense ... Volks, Blackstump, others, having played with you all and never had a problem I'm suprised you'd place any weight on what he's saying... my post was supposed to be my one comment on the matter, it looked pretty clear and convincing to me but I didn't expect him to lie...

phenomenal.

proof to follow...

#17: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:31 am
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don't fall too deep, mate.

#18: Author: Pzt_Verboten,

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:26 am
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While you are a good player Mik, you are not the most pleasant to play. On day 2 of our GC you are already claiming victory? Reminds me of a mate of mine that I used to play chess with, he'd table talk you to death.

C'mon give a guy a chance!

If you only play GJS GC's then no wonder you are so good at it, you must know the first days of that GC backwards.

Look forward to me hitting you up with some advice.

Verb

#19: Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:47 pm
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sheesh, didn't mean to be unpleasant but thanks for mentioning it on the forum, in this post of all places, and not to me first, till now thought we were getting on fine.

#20: Author: Pzt_Verboten,

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:30 am
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We are bloke, maybe my humour got lost in the ether Smile

See you when I can manage to get back.

Verb.

#21: Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:01 am
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sorry verb, my bad

#22: Spear/yummydog's lies Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:42 am
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Ok, this should end all the arguments and again I'll

mikwarleo wrote:

use Spear[/yummydog]'s own words against him to demonstrate who’s genuine in this case.

Normally I would have better things to do with my time. I already felt my first post http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2472&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 probably took more time and energy than this issue was worth. I also thought it honestly and convincingly showed my case. However people clearly still doubt me and Spear/yummydog in his misguided quest to discredit me has gone so far as to blatantly and repeatedly lie.

Now I've pretty much delivered my whole case in my original post, I don't intend to rehash things I've already covered. Because the forum doesn't allow posts over 256k I didn't put the save file in the first post (couldn't be bothered sorting out hosting for the file). However, seeing how things have gone I've now taken the trouble to expose Spear's lies and show again what’s really going on. So the save file of our GC is attached as proof of everything I'm about to demonstrate and everything contained in my initial reply to Spear/yummydog's allegations.

Download save file here: http://www.savefile.com/projects.php?pid=335759

In short: Spear/yummydog has been lying. I indicated this in my initial post without directly accusing him, since things have gone the way they have I'm proving it here.

In light of Spear's ever growing allegations I checked the save file thoroughly. I had a pretty good idea of what happened in the GC but having played over such a long period of time I couldn't be absolutely sure so I wanted proof for myself and to show everyone here. I played mock battles against the computer and retreated to the maps in question to inspect every map that can be reached by Naval Exploit (there's probably an easier way to do it but this was all I knew at the time). Looking at ground craters you can see that the following maps have suffered Naval strikes (note that craters do not disappear over time, they are always on the map; you can see this for yourself by seeing that craters on the beach maps from the first day of battle are still there):

The following is a complete table of Naval Activity on maps that can be reached with the Naval exploit:

2nd row maps:

Pegasus - 2 or 3 strikes
Bous D Bavaent - 1 or 2 strikes

3rd row maps:

Ranville - 0 strikes
Hermaville - 0 strikes
Thaon - 0 strikes
Lebsey Woods - 0 strikes
Buron - 0 strikes
Bayeux - 0 strikes

For easy reference a GJS map overlay is here: http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/images/stratmaps/gjs.jpg

Now this shows there was a maximum of 5 illegal naval strikes contained only on maps Pegasus and BD. I'll get to this in a moment. First consider Spear's lies.... What follows is an incomplete listing, an example of some of Spear/yummydog's more blatant/obvious lies, most of which he's repeated several times through his various posts on this matter:

yummydog wrote:

[mikwarleo] use naval strike at 3rd [row] of map

as you can see, no naval craters / activity on any 3rd row maps

yummydog wrote:

his naval strike able to reach Pegasus Bridge, even Ranville

zero naval activity at Ranville.

yummydog wrote:

on day2-3 , Mikwarleo's unit reach Bayeux, this is the first time he launch a naval strike on 3rd roll map, on the battle his BG's supply line had cutted, but he use naval strike to break my defence, once he break that point, he rush to other vl, and i also lost some when try to replace the killed units. finally my bg "disbanded. That is the first time ask him,"i never know naval able to hit this map", he reply somthing like "hehe".

See the save file... again zero naval activity at Bayeux. Spear is lying. I talk about this highlight victory in my initial post, I was proud of this victory because it was such a strong, important and much needed victory. It allowed me a lot of freedom to advance inland. That he is saying I 'cheated' on this map is particularly irritating and, again, a total lie.

yummydog wrote:

be honest [mikwarleo]! i ask him so many time before found that he use long range, but i just say "never know naval able to hit this map" in game, then he reply someting like"hehe".

'Be honest'? ... anyone else see the irony in Spear calling for honesty? I put this quote next to his last one to show that the conversations he's talking about and my alleged "hehe" reply never happened (so yes, more lies). As proven above, no illegal long range naval was used at Bayeux (so clearly I wasn’t saying “hehe” because what he’s describing never happened). Again, there was no nav used on any 3rd row map, or at any point before I had secured an unbreakable victory (see my initial post). So how could he be asking me about things that never happened?

yummydog wrote:

the other map he use [naval] is on Thoan, there is a meeting engament, no need to say he boom me at the begin, i lost so many unit as running to take house. result "disbanded"

Again a total lie... see the save file, no Naval activity at Thoan.

He goes on to complain that as a result of the use of Naval at Bayeux, Thoan and on every 3rd row map:

yummydog wrote:

since i have 2 denfence bg disband,i have no enough bg to set a defence line on big map, so his bg able to full speed go west.

Well that's *kind* of true. Actually I disbanded something more like 7 or 8 of his defending BGs early on ... Very Happy

including his defenders at gold, juno and sword beaches, osties at pegasus (without use of nav - the save file proves this, there was no Nav activity on the ostie side of the river...) and infantry at merville. That is, I disbanded all his beach BGs and several of his second line BGs including his 901 Lehr and later his 1st tiger Lehr! (the one with 2 tiger, I forget the number, check the save, this tiger BG is terribly mauled). Of course all these mauled BGs were returning on his reinforcement rounds and delaying his real reinforcements while allied armour rolled ever onward... I disbanded his early BGs, stormed inland through the holes picking off his BGs, para held caen and pegasus holding off his reinforcements (without use of NAV!), I secured the flanks, then cut supply and annihilated him disbanding BGs over and over again (see first post for further details - on that note I wish someone would fix the disband bug, as it is with the bug out of supply disbanded BGs lose pretty much nothing. If the out of supply disband rule was working properly Spear's army would be in much worse shape than it is already). An allied Blitzkrieg of sorts. And, as you can now see proven by the save file, I did not cheat to do this. He simply can't accept it.

Now there are a BUNCH of smaller lies he tells to both exaggerate things and look like the nice guy, for example:

yummydog wrote:

i don't post his name, and try to pretent i don't know that [mikwarleo is cheating] and continue the game.

hummm that's strange...

yummydog wrote:

i posted his name yesterday, howvere, after further considaration, i removed his name

Interesting contradiction, basically the first post quoted is an outright lie which he repeats several times through his various posts and its contradicted by his other post in which he’s telling the truth. Also, he never tried to continue or pretend that he didn't know, he told me straight away, shortly after his initial post, that I lost the whole GC because I cheated, he admits as much himself here:

yummydog wrote:

you lost the gc, but not defeated by me, you defeated by yourself

For further proof you can see that in our dialogue that he's posted on the forum (that he recorded the conversation and posted it is funny enough in itself) the conversation is dated AFTER the time of his initial post. Clearly I was responding to his allegations on the forum. Since at the time he was using one name to play (Spear) and a different name (yummydog) for posting on the forum the only way I would know the post applied to me was if my name was posted! It was a GC partner of mine who alerted me to the original post and he is also witness to the fact he posted my name in his initial post. So again, more lies from Spear/yummydog.

yummydog wrote:

i am a poor guy, i have nothing but hounor, now he is attacking my most important value!!

I had to finish with this quote because it is so ironic and funny… *honour*, lol ok, I suppose you had your fingers crossed when you told all those lies (so as to keep your much valued honour intact)?

Anyhow, I'm not going to waste any more of my time or yours exposing all the other examples of Spear's lies and his misguided motivations. I'm sure this is clear enough to everyone. So much so that I doubt even Spear can lie his way out of it. While it will be no doubt interesting to read Spear's replies I expect this will be my last post on the matter.

Regarding my use of the Naval exploit. Clearly I did use it 5 times and yes that isn't right. This is what I was trying to communicate to Spear when saying it was a mistake but his poor English and his arrogance were too much of a barrier to get the message through to him. (Besides even if he had understood I think he was too eager to find a way out of the GC rather than play on to certain defeat). Why I did it in the first place at all when it was completely unnecessary I can’t really say, I didn't think about it, I suppose it was basically out of sheer boredom at playing on when I knew I'd won. When I'm bored I do tend to assign Nav (though I rarely use it) through the naval exploit (a habit I won’t be continuing). What can I say, I like Nav, like those big explosions. Wink

Though, be clear, I never do this to win, especially not for crucial battles. There is proof enough of this fact in the save file as indicated above if you can't beleive my words.

I was trying to communicate to Spear (to say to him like I've shown here and in my original post) that Nav eploit didn't give me a victory, I wouldn't do it again and hadn't done it to cheat. Why he didn't just say, 'don't do it again' and leave it at that is a mystery to me. All these lies, for what? Anyhow he kept claiming my defeat and flying with the insults and accusations so, knowing in myself that I'd won and seeing it was pointless talking with him, I resolved to leave it at that and blacklist Spear. Actually I was happy to not have to waste my time and play out a GC for weeks and weeks for the sole purpose of humouring him and confirming what I already knew… I'd won.

Even after this argument, his initial lies and insults, after he'd posted my name and subsequently removed it (not before many people had seen it) I still felt no need to go to the forum. I'm only posting this here because he has gone so far in his misguided attempt to discredit me and really he hasn't left me much of a choice. I don't take pleasure in showing him to be a liar. However, with everything Spear has forced me to choose between accepting his very public annoncement that I am a 'cheat' or exposing his lies and clearing my name... I choose the latter.

As I said from the start, I don't understand why he's done this and can only suppose his motivation was

mikwarleo wrote:

that Spear was very eager to find a reason for his crushing defeat, one that didn't amount to: you got beaten by a better player.

Finally he's offered a grudge rematch, while I have no desire whatsoever to have anything further to do with this little tard, if Spear wants it and people think it might go further to put this matter to bed, well maybe a grudge match will add a different dimension to the game, could be fun! My terms are these:

Reverse the roles and see how Spear does playing allies! Same campaign, GJS GC1. I will be Germans. Same settings as original game: 15min rounds, no morale, no 2 min warning, no act on initiative. Only this time obviously he will host (as allies) and we play the VL rule (which will benefit him more than me anyhow as he’s attacking, of course in our initial game when I was attacking he wouldn't agree to play VL rule and constantly mounted annoying flanking moves from tiny cut off pockets, we all know the kind). Also I grant him 10 illegal naval barrages to use any time he likes – that is 5 days worth of Nav barrages! ... *double* the maximum number I used (as listed above craters show 3-5 illegal Nav barrages were deployed by me in our previous game) AND it allows him to use them as part of his advance and attempt to secure victory ... when of course I didn't use them until days after I had secured a Major Victory!

I think that's more than fair.

One final thing: even though I've proven his lies here, I think he should admit his lies and accept that he lost our previous GC.

And anyone who likes a bet: I'll bet that come day 11 the allies will not have a major victory... how's that for a grudge match? (In fact I'll be surprised if he even lasts to day 11 and isn't pushed back into the sea long before. So there's my gauntlet well and truly thrown down).

Smile

I wont commit to continuing past day 11, we'll see how things pan out, only because I don't want to waste more time on this guy. If come day 11 I know I've won I *might* stop. If it's a challenging game then I'll continue, of course.

P.S. a few other points mainly for Spear (because I can't imagine anyone but him will be interested enough to read through all this) Wink

REGARDLESS of everything, clearly 5 Nav strikes in any position or deployment is not going to make the difference between winning and losing and again, it's definitely not going to drive my armour to the other side of the strat map and secure over 75% of the territory for me. I simply out played him and beat him very convincingly and he should have accepted that a long time ago.

Finally regarding his ridiculous tank-losses argument that he’s still harping on about, in addition to my statement in my initial post notice that the losses were:

German : Allies
Tanks 121 : 202 (that’s 1:1.66)
Infantry 4068 : 4052 (1:1)
Guns 66 : 45
Vehicles 25 : 17

Clearly these are excellent losses for Allies *especially* considering I hold about 75% of the map. As we all know attacking is harder than defending... now that I've taken all that ground he can't possibly hope to push me back. Again the allies have 2 times or more the number of tanks the Germans do so a Ratio of 1:1.66 is great for the allies! Clearly, he's not the 'master tank killer' he considers himself to be. And while he wants to insult my ability saying 'mikwarleo plays CC5 like age of empires' ... well again I refer people to the conclusion: Major Victory: Allies: since day 7 and even stronger by Day 11! I think that speaks for itself.

But to answer this properly, the tank loss ratio (and notice in his posts he conveniently forgets to mention that for my 202 tanks he's lost 121 himself...) means Spear has double trouble: 1. comparably not much armour 2. he has lost so much territory that he's almost out of space for new units to be deployed on the map! That means he actually has even LESS tanks to deploy over all since he's boxed in. All I need to do is hold is big cats and push his weak points and flank again. If I can decimate his SS at caen when boxed into a tiny area using only 1 para BG and disband him at Bayeux when out of supply why does he think I'll have a problem holding off his big cats and flanking his positions?! With Caen about to fall and a long front line of allied forces his 4 big cat BGs are clearly not going to be enough to hold the line and certainly not nearly enough to break the line and make an advance...

I'm currently playing a GC with another more challenging player and my losses are german:allies 182:353 tanks and I am clearly winning this GC also. Why Spear thinks the tank losses are so fantastic for him and why he harps on so much about the losses is another mystery of his intellect. Finally, what about his 1:1 infantry losses when allies again have at least 2 times the infantry?! Everyone knows allied infantry is vastly inferior to german infantry, so how did I kill so many german soldiers...? With 5 nav barrages... lol? No, by consistently outplaying him. The game isn't won on tanks alone, his infantry losses are going to cause him big problems as well. Like I've been saying all along, I won this GC a long time ago, he doesn't have a hope of pushing me back from the Victory position I've secured, he might be able to slow me down for a good while with his big cats but ultimately this GC was decided on day 7 when I first secured a major victory... he simply lacks the gear, the infantry and the skill to push me back from victory.

See save file attached. http://www.savefile.com/projects.php?pid=335759
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Smile

#23: Author: stolimo,

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:30 pm
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Hmm, those are impressive casualty ratios for the British, even more impressive is the fact that you are at Carpiquet and getting ready to take Caen on the 11th.

#24: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:08 am
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Thanks for you file, Mikwarleo, as i said i run the gc with AI for found that you chat, so the file has gone, but now, evey one able to see the truth, how you mistake assign Naval Stirke on the map you said you never use. and who is lier Laughing

If you that good, I already invited you to do it again, but.....i didn't get any reply from you.
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Also, everyone can see how he no need to defence Begnses Brudge and Benouville, as he no need to deploy bg there, because he feel very safe for supporting by Cheat naval strike, and send every things go west, even some of his disbanded unit also go west but none for south Begnses Brudge. as i said before. see? Laughing

last, Mikwarleo said my 4 bigcat BG only not enough to stop his attack, thats so funny, this is very easy to find out that can i counter attack from west, does his 22/7 able to stop my 1.6/lehr at Villers Bocage(i remember he lost about 8 tanks in 1 day at there (piece of cake for Panther V to kill his cromwell, 1shoot 1 kill Laughing

))? and his 151/50 able to hold my 1Ast101? At Juvigny, his 23/50 only some Stuart left (because he also lost more than 5 tanks on the last battle). use that kind of bg still said attack my 2 bigcat bg. funny boy, Remember there is no chat naval strike support there, and do you remember how long did you stuck there? Laughing

another side Cean, he wish he can get it, everyone can go inside and and the situation at cean. (my 26/12 is very earlier bg, they still hold Cean and disband some Mikwarleo Bg there) Laughing

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The following is a complete table of Naval Activity on maps that can be reached with the Naval exploit:

2nd row maps:

Pegasus - 2 or 3 strikes
Bous D Bavaent - 1 or 2 strikes

3rd row maps:

Ranville - 0 strikes
Hermaville - 0 strikes
Thaon - 0 strikes
Lebsey Woods - 0 strikes
Buron - 0 strikes
Bayeux - 0 strikes

For easy reference a GJS map overlay is here: http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/images/stratmaps/gjs.jpg

that silly robber still saying i didn't rob the bank, just the teller give me money when i point the gun at her. Laughing

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#25: Author: dacman82, Location: Perth, Australia

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:55 am
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you guys make me laugh

#26: Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:15 pm
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dacman82 wrote:

you guys make me laugh

yeah I know its dumb... though if you were in my shoes I think you'd want to set the story straight too...

#27: Author: Yummydog, Location: Hong Kong

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:26 pm
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dacman82 wrote:

you guys make me laugh

I am also feel laugh Laughing

yeah, keep going, try your best to straight it if you like, but please remember some words i mentioned before "respect is given by others, bad reputation is caused by yourself. "

if i put on your shoes, "smart move". this threat will gone after few days or week, if you keep to update it, more people feel laugh.

I already said i lost that compaign, can you just say somthing like... yes i use something i shouldn't use in the game, and i won't use it again. what are big deal? Do you want to win everything, everyone?

Chinese said "endure make life peaceful; Step one back make you more room to move!!"

i believed that you are the one don't know how to face lost (not kidding, some special kind of man may, but don't mean they not good, they are usually very good or too good compare with general public, but not fine tune yet!). please learn it!! thats really really good for you, trust me, mate!!

This is my last post on this matter. Thanks for everyone interest in this matter, and support! Thank you!!

#28: Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:38 am
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lol, omg, this guy is a lunatic

#29: Author: KOR7,

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:37 am
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Use navals on this maps is a game bug not a cheat!!!! Game allowed do this..But Mikwalero before strat GC can ask about it..That all in this topic. I play with Mik and he is agresivve player, good in attack,but nothing that I dont see earlier.

#30: Author: Piper_1,

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:42 pm
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I only want to know 1 thing why does Spear HK use the name yummydog?

Close Combat Series -> CC5 Gold, Juno, Sword

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