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Btw, that was 7.5 km/h, as the energy "weight" increases in square by speed, maybe you can ask your friend to do the math for 18 km/h, LOL and maybe he can tell you how that would turn out... |
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No Damage? Really? Plz come back and "verify" this with an insult
throghn in my face again... Pretending to have know it all along, and now marking my use of words.. |
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1. So why did u wright that? If u had known the basic physics invoulved? |
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2. And WHAT THEORY WOULD THAT BE? |
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3. What about the mercedes? No damage? 1 ton at 18 km/h in the side? |
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DIMA: Imo T-34 wouldnt really be able to do significant damage i.e. jam turret, immobilize PzVI as it was almost 2 times lighter. |
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Ask you friend to calculate that for you... Guess you would not have
witten that if u had known this before, |
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But that funktion "F=kx." isnt the answer is it.... |
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So if u know this from the start of this thread, what have u been
blabbering about through out this thread? (have u got a little help maybe in physics? from someone??) Seen the light maybe? Opeend a book maybe? |
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I am truly happy for that, maybe now u can stop this noncens. |
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Yes, another 360.... faster then any tank turret can do it... |
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PS LOL, Ohhh no I dint know... Not that it matters, but when u talk
about weight or mass as it moves its NOT "impulse", its kinetic energy, ie: the energy it represent when a mass moves... |
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dima you should be politician with the BS you come out with |
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"dima its better to sit there and look stupid then to speack and
remove all dout" |
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Dima: So u insist that E-classe can inflict significant damage to G-klasse
with side hit at 18km/h speed? |
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Dima : Stalk, u r really frightening me .
show me where i've told that there won't be damage? As i can c that i've wrote that there wouldn't be significant damage. and then u showed what i've meant by significant damage: |
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(well, theoretically it is possible to damage tank that is of same or lesser weight than yers. |
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PS LOL, Ohhh no I dint know... Not that it matters, but when u talk about weight or mass as it moves its NOT "impulse", its kinetic energy, ie: the energy it represent when a mass moves... Dima: i will tell u a secret: to act on 'target' u need to transfer impulse to it. And depending of 'target' conditions and properties it will either accept impulse or return it back. simply: F=-F . |
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Dima: matt, maybe u should take part in discussion and show yer arguments instead of farting around?
Truth is born in discussions . |
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What u think? The Mercedes driver go out with windex cleaning and
whipe of the one ton (1000kg) car that just hit them in there side at 18 km/h? Or what you think? Windex do the trick and a bit of polish? ? |
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I let your previous statment (below) answer your new question abow,
You wrote: Quote: Dima: (well, theoretically it is possible to damage tank that is of same or lesser weight than yers. |
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Ahha, moving mass is kinetik energy... in that sentens u coment on was i talk of "weight", at moving speed, Compared to a standing still weight, Not impact. Read it again... |
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Really, what truth would that be? |
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Maybe you can scip this nonsence, and maybe you can asnswer the
"tough" and significant question I asked in the previous post, seem you forgot that, but u had a slick answer for everything else. |
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Btw, that was 7.5 km/h, as the energy "weight" increases in square by speed, maybe you can ask your friend to do the math for 18 km/h, LOL and maybe he can tell you how that would turn out... |
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Im looking forward to get the answer for the ONLY QUESTION THATS REALLY SIGNIFICANT in this argument. |
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anyway kinetic energy is beeing calculated as mV^2/2 not as mV^2 |
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Yeee, impossible isnt it... Twist and turn... |
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To get you to answer the question how much that appel weight, and you would answer its green.. |
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That was what I told u in first place, remember the T34 at 7.5 km/h |
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Mr Genious |
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If u realy had understood that, you would NOT make this smuck remark would you. Mr Genious |
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Btw, that was 7.5 km/h, as the energy "weight" increases in square by speed |
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DIMA: well, theoretically it is possible to damage tank that is of same or lesser weight than yers. |
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DIMA: Imo T-34 wouldn’t really be able to do significant damage i.e. jam turret, immobilize PzVI as it was almost 2 times lighter. Plus most of germans tanx could avoid collision as they were faster offroad than T-34. |
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i'd say to survive is basic human reaction. So imho crew would leave its damaged tank immediatly after damaged was sustained. After they bailed out and found out that tank didn't catch fire they could return back.
That's physics actually. But yes from elementary course. And I guess u've meant 'impulse' by 'weight'.
ok impulses r 232.5kN vs 231kN Looks fine for now. So when T-34 moving at 7.5km/h speed collides with standing KT, it will just stop and KT will get 3.3km/h speed for moment of the collision. But how to determine damages both vehicles sustain? yes, F1=k1x1. F2=K2x2. Now we just need to know KTs material and it's properties so we can determine deformation according collision speed and properties of T-34 material . And something telling me that T-34 armour would just deform backward (like u know when car collides at stone wall) or crack.
F=kx. how one of my teachers liked to tell "every complicated problem has simple, obvious to everyone but in same time wrong solution"... |
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So we end this here OK, and I try to sum up our arguments and my thought. (We have done that before with mutual respect can we try to do that again maybe) We agree, that we don’t agree OK. |
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1. Dima Believe a T34 coming in 18 km/h with its strongest structural front side hit a heavier tank (Tiger fe) in the side cant do damage (quotes from a bow), |
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Dima believe it cant immobilize, crack a track or dislodge a wheel, suspension, IE Imobilize (See abow), |
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or do internal or structural damage or personnel damage, optic damage, or in any other way hurt a heavier tank in a “significant” way (quote a bow) |
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Stalky Don’t agree |
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2. Dima believe a Mercedes that is hit in its weaker side structure, with a car of 1 ton at 18 km/h (5m/s) with has its structural stronger front hitting a softer side structure cant causes any damage |
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(Important, later he clarified it to significant damage, fine with me). |
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Stalky don’t agree, 1 ton at 18 km/h (5 meters per second) is a mighty force Stalky thinks. |
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3. Dima believe the story’s (link below) of Soviet tankers who have got medals for there ramming, is all a myth, and Soviet propaganda |
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Dima don’t believe a soviet T34 tank even can ram a German tank as it’s faster. |
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Stalky are not that sure, but in essence Stalky don’t agree, for he believe they don’t give medals for actions that are meant to encourage and inspire other soldiers to follow these actions (role model). |
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He means if its "impossible" to ram a tank why inspire other to try to do it, that would be suicide and sure destruction of soviet property and war materiel, it makes no sense to Stalky, that’s why he don’t agree. |
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Can we agree with this sum up, and agree we don’t agree. OK? |
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Well its nice to see you guys took this discussion up a notch ot two while i was enjoying some fine Johnnie Wallker |
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Seems to me talking to Dima is like talking to a brick wall so i give up my part in this discussion. |
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All that is left for me to say is that everything i pointed out in the beginning was to be was found true by other people research, so i`ll leave it like this. |
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Mega comback |
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If i was a Russian tank commander, i'd probably retreat to the rear if my tank was broken, then a recovery unit could fix it |
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AT_Stalky wrote: |
maybe YOU belive the americans staged the photograph and medals rewarded? |
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didnt they stage a moon landing? |
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Didnt a Sherman Ram a King Tiger in Normandy and Imobelized it? |
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It was King Tiger 122 from SCHWERE PANZER ABTEILNUNG 503, |
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Cant damage? |
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maybe YOU belive the americans staged the photograph and medals rewarded? |
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maybe thats why dima wont join army cus reality will kill him on front line in moments |
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