dgfred wrote (View Post): |
Hey Ace.
I understand you like CC3. I don't understand your ripping CC5 so hard tho. Each obviously has it's fans and others that just don't care to play it when they can play the other (or any kind of game instead). I have played them all, including H2H in CC2 and CC5 for a long time. I really think if you took some time to dl some of the mods for CC5- like for instance GJS, TRSM, Utah, Battle of Berlin, Stalingrad, Der Kessel, and some others that catch your eye you may even grow fond of the game. Plus as Stalky mentioned you can play h2h if you like... and make gentlemen's rules to make each game/op/campaign as 'realistic' as possible. I personally play vs the AI probably 85% of the time now because of RL time constraints... and the 'decisions' the AI makes both strategically/tactically/picking units/always will just blow your mind sometimes and almost ruin it for you. I have learned to live with it somewhat... but it always happens. It is hard to find someone in your time zone with the same ideas/time/etc to hook up and play with... but it sure is fun if you can. If not, your gonna have to have a good imagination to play any War game IMO. Maybe look at the Bge/Div mix in the Allied BGs and the Rgt/etc/Div German BGs at the start of your Operation/Campaign as the troops at hand for immediate battle with their 'reserves' in the pool as most units would not commit every available unit to a battle in an area (map) from moment one. For instance you know you began the campaign with 5 Cromwells... had 3 in the opening battle and lost 2. Do you save your 'points' (remaining Cromwells) or use them now? Do you just hold on a few more turns, thin out the opponent, then bring them on later? Etc? I have complaints with every one of the the CC games... but if I don't like one enough, I just play the other . |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
OK, just one more |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
@ AT_ags_Stalker Lets talk about realism |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
In CC5 you go back to your force pool, and swap them for new teams. The shot to pieces units go back into the force pool where they miraculously automatically become 100% brand new units Whats have you lost NOTHING |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
You may have gained some ground on the maps, your opponent had much fewer casualties, but lost 5 complete teams, so his loss is actually much greater, is that fair? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Of course my Stalker will find a side issue to make some disagreement and avoid the real issue |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): | ||
He did not start this CC5 v CC3 war if you kindly read the 1st post, you will plainly see that this feud was started by a CC5 fan who picked a fight. We CC3 fans are just standing up against unfair criticism If the CC5ers can't take it, then they should not dish it out CHEERS AGS |
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No I said that they were relatively weaker. Do you understand what that means? It means 1 German against 20 Americans is stronger than 2 Germans against 55 Americans. |
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Where did you get that notion? The only thing I accept is that they still had a lot of countryside to get to the Kremlin and not the laughable 17km of city you claim Moscow to be then. |
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No, wiki and Antony Beevor's D-Day landing book, maybe you should read it. |
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No, tankettes and universal carriers do not count as tanks. No stuart to my knowledge ever took part in a para drop. |
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I repeat I had several tanks fly in from the sky before the beach had even been taken! |
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Err for example US and US supplied units? By the end some had received Garands with and without bayonets, and some had discarded them in favour of combat knives. |
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Like I said I'm not going to do your job of reading up the facts, why don't you find a late war german infantry manual, there is no mention of ever favouring fixing bayonets as a tactic, it is infact meant to be avoided. |
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Well I'm not sure what they've been teaching you in Russia, but its common historical knowledge that the Kalashnikov machine gun doctrine after the war was based on the mass human wave tactic employed by the Soviets during the war, except for the assault rifle was meant to replace the original sub-machine gun idea, that was the theory at least. Perhaps Kalashnikov got it wrong they were actually meant to fix bayonet? |
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Most laughable notion that armies fixed bayonets as a main tactic in World War 2. Please stop taking the piss. |
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Resorting to petty statements about someone's knowledge while yourself showing ignorance, straw man arguments and not answering/avoiding/derailing the actual discussion is weak. |
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Thanks... but I've read every post. Wink I think the critism is flowing both ways. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Acebars,Ok, I got bored with you, do yourself a favor next time, start reading on topic you want to argue about - you really look like looser and bullshitter..(1) - will be our reference number. |
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what's wrong with you? can't stand your own words? Only 1 the weakest division faced the British and Canadians.(c)acebars - do you understand what that means? |
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I was under the impression (if I recall correctly) that the 716th had more Ost truppen than the 709th which also had them, this and the fact they were mostly facing the combined forces of the British and Canadians meant the Allies there had an easier time than elsewhere, perhaps they were comparitively weaker. |
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Khimki was 8km away from the city border. From Khimki it was 17km until Kremlin wall towers and 37km until Kremlin itself.and that's how Moscow looked like in 1941: |
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By the end of D-Day, some 23,250 troops had safely landed on the beach, along with 1,700 vehicles(c)wiki - start reading what is written and not what you want to read - where is number of combat troops? |
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and btw recommendation of Beevor alone shows your level of knowledges. |
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refer to (1) - both Tetrarch I and Tetrarch ICS were tanks. |
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that are your problems. don't use that many drugs and you will stop see flying tanks. |
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refer to (1) - Garands were supplied to troops with bayonets till it was in production, same for M14 and M16. |
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refer to (1), read what is written by the people who knows - i've listed armies that used that as a main infantry tactics. |
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refer to (1), you are so amateur....can't even comment this crazy shit. |
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refer to (1) - that's how these armies were trained to attack. |
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you really look like looser and bullshitter....(1) - will be our reference number. |
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haha, funny, i've just understood why why this discussion is weak for you - you don't understand anything lol |
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In other words the importance of that unit is low due to an offensive elsewhere so in CC3 points are low, tanks and artillery are available in the force pool as the war material is available to the US army but you do not have the points to be able to afford them until later or in a later operation.*
How you can portray this in a video game other than using a system like CC3 employs? Instead in CC5 US forces after the Tet Offensive all have hundreds of units of reserves and replenish them instantly, just nonsense. So how the concept of reinforcement potentials against military resources at the time is a nebulous concept to you is beyond me, its about as nebulous as the real situation in a real life army. *I corrected this part after other posts had already been made. |
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You've yet to actually show me how I don't understand the CC5 game mechanics, all you do is deliberately misinterpret, make presumptions, never answer the question and make some illogical arguments? You can't argue by making bullshit up. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
How can you call me a stalker when YOU are the one adressing me time after time? |
AGS's_Stalker wrote (View Post): |
How can you call me a stalker when YOU are the one adressing me time after time? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
During a battle, the troops you deploy, the 15 units are shot to pieces, but none are wiped out. Each squad has 1 or 2 men left, all your tanks are very severely damaged, but not lost. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
In CC5 you go back to your force pool, and swap them for new teams. The shot to pieces units go back into the force pool where they miraculously automatically become 100% brand new units |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
You may have gained some ground on the maps, your opponent had much fewer casualties, but lost 5 complete teams, so his loss is actually much greater, is that fair? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Of course my Stalker will find a side issue to make some disagreement and avoid the real issue |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Wrong. In a well constructed GC almost every team counts. Especially quality teams. Any CC5 GC player can tell you that.
...........Well, mate that’s called a “pyrrhus victory” and yes its possible to have such victorys in a CC5 game, but that will bite the “victorious” side later on. (Thus why we call that....) This “pyrrhus victory-tactics” is often used in CC5 GC, especially by the more experience players who know how to use that to draw the opponent into something that will cause his defeat later on. Its a matter of skill and experiance only, noobs should not try that at first. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Of course my Stalker will find a side issue to make some disagreement and avoid the real issue |
AGS's_Stalker wrote (View Post): |
I can only guess what will come next… |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Or is it a monologue you really prefer? If so, stop talking to me, please. |
Pzt_Kanov wrote (View Post): |
Yo guys, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but CC2 has one of the best AI of all time! |
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I understand you like CC3. I don't understand your ripping CC5 so hard tho. Each obviously has it's fans and others that just don't care to play it when they can play the other (or any kind of game instead). |
dgfred wrote (View Post): |
Hey Ace. Please give something besides the original CC5 regarding problems with wrong units, powerful mortars, other weapons, etc. |
Dima wrote (View Post): |
Dgfred,
he doesn't worth it. |
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Khimki was 8km away from the city border. From Khimki it was 17km until Kremlin wall towers and 37km until Kremlin itself. |
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