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#121: Re: What are you reading? Author: pagskier,

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:11 pm
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I'm reading
Holding Juno from Mark Zuehlke
just after the read of Juno Beach from the same author
it's good. After I,ll read Terrible Victory speaking of holland still by the main author
it speaks of the Canadian troops

#122: Re: What are you reading? Author: Dundradal,

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:32 pm
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Just started Dallas Isom's "Midway Inquest: Why the Japanese Lost the Battle of Midway"

It's interesting so far, but you can tell Isom is a lawyer and not a historian. The book is written like a closing argument, however so far I've been impressed with his research.

#123: Re: What are you reading? Author: Superkala,

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:15 am
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It Never Snows In September, Robert J Kershaw

Actually its only my third book on the war i own, so i appear to be a ways behind here ;)

Right now im looking for a book setting down some cold hard realities about the various tanks and what their guns(and armour) could or couldnt do. Preferably one i agree with, but ya know Wink

maybe ill find a reference to one in this thread.

#124: Re: What are you reading? Author: US_Brake, Location: USA

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:27 pm
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Infantry Tactics of the Second World War, Steven Bull & Gordon L Rottman

Moscow 1941 Hitler's first defeat, Robert Forczyk Opsrey

Darby's Rangers We Led The Way, William O Darby

Aug-Sep issue of World at War The Strategy & Tactics of WWII Magazine

#125: Re: What are you reading? Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:43 pm
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Sons of the Reich II SS Panzer Corps, by Michael Reynolds.

-When I can pull myself to pick it up, one book heavy on details and facts... Rolling Eyes

#126: Re: What are you reading? Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:16 pm
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It Never Snows in September concurrently with Sons of The Reich II

#127: Re: What are you reading? Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:05 pm
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The Kindly Ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kindly_Ones_(Littell_novel)

Awesome WWII novel. 820 pages long.

#128: Re: What are you reading? Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:06 pm
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Therion wrote (View Post):

The Kindly Ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kindly_Ones_(Littell_novel)

Awesome WWII novel. 820 pages long.

non-fiction?

#129: Re: What are you reading? Author: papa_whisky,

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:04 am
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The Kindly Ones appears to have had mixed reviews, but some big names gave it impressive reviews. It is historical fiction, sounds controversial, and probably a must read. Thanks Therion for the heads up.

#130: Re: What are you reading? Author: Therion,

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:30 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Therion wrote (View Post):

The Kindly Ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kindly_Ones_(Littell_novel)

Awesome WWII novel. 820 pages long.

non-fiction?

Historical fiction. It's very interesting because the protagonist is an intellectual that loves philosophy, literature, etc. and a sexual deviant. And a Nazi.
It shows the horror of the holocaust from perspective whose job was killing Jews. Mental breakdowns, soldiers vomiting during executions, and stuff like that.
Also, it shows how most of people who were doing that stuff were normal people without specific predispositions for killing other people.

#131: Re: What are you reading? Author: Hesus,

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:37 pm
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Well for now i am reading Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician. Not really WWII related but still nice to read.

#132: Re: What are you reading? Author: stiener, Location: Gibsons B.C. canada

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:22 pm
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me and mooxe seem to have the same taste.... Shocked

....i also like the german versions of WW2 Cool

i have read "it never snows in sept"...this is a very very good book and now applies to LSA......if you have never read it get it.
Panzer Commander is another book i have read a few times...is about Hans Von Luck, panzer commander.....another great read......his exploits in normandy are are worth the price of the book.
i also have all the Michael Reynolds books on the SS panzer corps. these books are amazing..the detail etc...amazing. the german side of the battles .....a real eye opener. im still reading thse now.
"Steel inferno" 1SS panzer corps in normandy is a must read, by michael reynolds......very good insite into the battles at normandy.
i have, but havent read yet is the "Devils Adjutant" by michael reynolds about Jochen Peiper.
and of course as other have said here any book written by Mark Zuelke..a fellow Canuck...about the canadains, are first class books. his Juno beach books are again a real insite into the fighting at normandy and when you have read the german side to....well it puts it all into perpesctive.
"ortona"[ little stalingrad ] by Mrk Zuelke is really good too.....about the battle of Ortona italy...canadian VS German para's......Wow.....is all i can say.

i dont want to start anything here but the new material thats come out over id say the last 10 years on WW2, have confirmed an interesting fact....that prisoners were sometimes not taken on BOTH sides during WW2. the Victors write history.....but War was/is a brutal conflict.
an interesting fact tho......

#133: Re: What are you reading? Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:34 pm
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Viktor Suvorov: Spetsnaz, and I ve found an online edition for anyone interested:
http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html
V.Suvorov: GRU is a great book about the Soviet military intel.

how could you read that crap? Smile

well, i know he has good style but they are not any close to reality, well same could be told about Beevor books and most of the german memoirs..

#134: Re: What are you reading? Author: papa_whisky,

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:55 am
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@ Dima and what is the problem with Beevor's books? Given that he is a historian or critical acclaim what justification do you have?

#135: Re: What are you reading? Author: kawasaky, Location: Zagreb, Hrvatska

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:47 am
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Dima wrote (View Post):

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Viktor Suvorov: Spetsnaz, and I ve found an online edition for anyone interested:
http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html
V.Suvorov: GRU is a great book about the Soviet military intel.

how could you read that crap? Smile

well, i know he has good style but they are not any close to reality, well same could be told about Beevor books and most of the german memoirs..

It could be, dunno, but you surely can recommend some good read on the GRU if this is a crap...

#136: Re: What are you reading? Author: Dima,

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:21 pm
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@ Dima and what is the problem with Beevor's books?

he doesn't prove most of things he states. basically he just copile lie and cold-war myths in his books mixed with some real facts to make it look "historical". his main references are: "as one guy mentioned..." or "looks like" or "it seems that someone told", etc.

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Given that he is a historian or critical acclaim what justification do you have?

search for D.Glantz (the well acknowledged EF expert) critisism on Beevor. Basicly he says that Beevor is good example of norrative history but one should not take it as historical research.

here is one review of Beevor's "Stalingrad" http://www.mariosousa.se/ReviewBeevorStalingrad050729.html

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It could be, dunno, but you surely can recommend some good read on the GRU if this is a crap...

yes, f.e. "The GRU Empire" by A.Kolpakidi (2 parts) or "GRU during Great Patriotic War" by V.Nikolsky if you are interested in WW2 part. don't know if they were translated from Russian tho.

#137: Re: What are you reading? Author: kawasaky, Location: Zagreb, Hrvatska

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:00 pm
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OK, thanks. If those are translated in English or some southern Slavic language I shall find some.

And yes, I agree on criticism of Beevor (read Stalingrad and disliked it), although it doesn't mean that the narrative history isn't good. I find that most of the historians aren't too good writers. Yes, their job isn't to write nicely, but it would surely help if they knew how to do it. There are some good examples of good narrative history based on extensive research... Just to mention a few like Max Hastings, John Keegan, Charles Jellison, Guido Knopp, Carlo D'Este, Cornelious Ryan, Milovan Djilas and so on.
Oh yes, I almost failed to mention ole W. Churchill!

BTW, reading Col. Nikola Anich's Hitler's Wehrmacht in Croatia from April 1941 to May 1945 at the moment.
Very good book, although I am quite sure that it isn't translated from Croatian. :(

Also, I've recently read A. Rashid's Taliban. Superb read with lots of facts AND written really nicely since the author is a pro reporter. He has been covering Afghan since 1979 and spoke to most of the head honchos over there over the time. A must read!

#138: Re: What are you reading? Author: Therion,

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:28 pm
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I remember trying to read war memoirs of some German panzer officer. Good fucking God. They were so full of shit that I had to stop reading it after 30 pages to save my nerves.
These guys are Holocaust profiteers, just like Jews. They use Holocaust as a big shield to pretend that they were doing nothing wrong.
Thanks to the 6 millions of dead Jews, all that scum from Wehrmacht, Lutwaffe and Kriegsmarine can pretend that they were good guys, and sadly a lot of people buy into their bullshit. Because with the 6 millions of dead Jews one can pretend that everything else was completely okay.
It's so nice to hide behind bullshit like "honour", "duty", "patriotism", etc. and pretend that they weren't a bunch of thugs waging aggressive war, that they didn't illegally cross borders, that they didn't murder servicemen trying to protect their countries from their aggression, that they didn't murder civilians with their bombs and artillery, that they didn't destroy unimaginable amounts of private property, that they didn't destroy unimaginable amounts of private property government property and didn't disrupt normal lives of tens of millions of people.

Fuck, I don't have anything against German soldiers who were forcibly drafted or couldn't quit because it would threaten their safety or safety of their families, but the rest with their patriotism, duty, honour and other self-justifying bullshit deserves to eat shit and die. They willingly participated in one of the worst crimes against humanity - and they managed to whitewash their history so that everyone would forget that their whole retarded war was one massive crime against humanity.
Good fucking God, what a bunch of fucking shitheads, it's sometimes hard to believe that they weren't sociopaths.

Dima wrote (View Post):

here is one review of Beevor's "Stalingrad" http://www.mariosousa.se/ReviewBeevorStalingrad050729.html

Good fucking God, what a fucking dumbfuck, he should know better than denying war crimes which are documented by written orders.
What a stupid piece of shit, couldn't he just write that it was necessary for security and socialist progress or something like that instead of just lying like a dog?
Now I don't know if this review is based on truth or is it just delusions of some butthurt Russian nationalist.

#139: Re: What are you reading? Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:13 pm
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yes, reminds me of Iraq

#140: Re: What are you reading? Author: Therion,

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:26 pm
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Partially. Iraq may be a war of aggression, which is a supreme crime against humanity. Certainly, it should be investigated.
Still, it's completely incomparable with sheer level of evil both in actions and intent of what Germans have done.
Comparing Iraq war to WWII doesn't make sense and just serves to discredit any movements demanding treating it as a war crime.

Though, I suspect that reminding people that German war crimes in WWII weren't just Holocaust but the war in its entirety should help.

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