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#1: 2nd Kharkov mod has been released! Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:43 pm
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I'm glad to say that CC5 2nd Battle of Kharkov mod has been released! You can find it in CC5 download section.
There are many good mods to play and many good mods under contruction: CC after years is still alive and this is great!
I suggest to play the mod without "when force morale got to low" option, and with the time set to 15 minutes. About multiplayer the mod hasn't been tested so don't ask me about these because I don't know if/how it works.
I want say a big thank you to all for the support!
I hope you will enjoy with it.
Regards, Drizzt

#2: Author: Basthar,

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:56 pm
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Thanks for your work, gonna try it soon Smile

#3: Author: pzjager, Location: Paris

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:50 pm
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Many thanks, Drizzt.

Kharkov 2 is really a huge battle of WW2, with a great strategic importance, and I am sure that your CC version is great.

I will try to play a little to it. Just for the moment I am busy with the future launch of SOC.... so I have little time to spend on your work. Accept my apologies.

Cheers
PJ

#4: Author: karlmortar, Location: Falköping,Sweden

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:06 pm
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Whats that red headge coming twards us, Liutenant?

Its the "Red Army", captain.

Oh....scheisse.

This is going to be a fun mod! Very Happy

Downloading it now! Very Happy

#5: Author: reconscout, Location: U.S.A.

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:46 pm
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Thank you very much Exclamation

just finished downloading it Very Happy

#6: Author: K,

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:49 pm
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hi,drizzt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK!!!!!!!!!!
i will play it soon!!!!
i'm very glad to it!!!!!!!!!!!! Smile

thank you!!!

#7: Author: Mr_Nuke,

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:26 pm
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Thank you very much too! I'll try to play this mod as soon as real life gives me some free time for computer games! That's one of the mods I was really waiting for!

#8: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:48 pm
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Thanks a lot for the mod, Drizzt! Like I said on the other thread...I'm having a blast! I'm also glad that we had a chance discuss and clear up my missconception on the historical Russian Uniforms for the period Smile

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I haven't got enough free time to start a grand campaign...but the single battles are a blast.
BTW, I've been playing with "when force morale got to low" option on...why do you suggest that this should be turned off? I'm playing as Germans against the AI...using a quickie Vetmod (bigger Russian Teams, basic infantry SAI change)...and battles last about 10-15 mins before "force morale" kicks in...sometimes even lasts the whole 15 mins.

#9: Author: 7A_Bjorn,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:33 am
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has anyone tested to see if multiplayer works? Thanks for making this mod!!!

#10: Author: mochoho, Location: Croatia

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:53 am
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Drizzt, thanks for the mod, i dll'd yesterday and will start pl when i finish BloodyO. What, are main differencies between historical and regular grand campaign?

Thanks, once again... Razz

#11: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:21 pm
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Many thanks to you all for the kind comments!!

to Pzjager: you know that I have had great fun with SDK mod so I await SOC mod with great interest! Maybe this time Paulus will not surrender... (hehe!)

to squadleader: I'm glad that you enjoy with the mod! About "force morale" is only a personal opinion, I try to explain: without it also when you are in defensive map the enemy seriously damaged by you will not leave from the map, and if you want the map you will fight hard, suffering losses, to conquer it, because IA often hold one tank, machineguns teams and AT guns near its last victory location (not only in my mod, I mean in general). Often you will enjoy for all 15 minutes (times run out) or you will agree to cease fire after a counterattack failed (heavy losses for both side: try to imagine a tank immobile as last IA team, and you have only some infantry teams). Also in this way you are obliged to use more tactics: for example to stop one tank of the enemy with your infantry teams near your last victory location (you know that morale go very down after that you have lost all guns and tanks: in this way you try to resist using your last infantry troops).

to mochoho: the only difference is that in GC you have more days for play, in HC you have at your disposal only the real number of days of the battle.

Regards, Drizzt

#12: Author: Mistmatz,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:29 pm
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Another cool mod!!! Smile

Just checked the maps screenies and started to download the baby. Thanks to all the people who put effort in this and all other mods/maps and keep the community supplied with such a variety.

#13: Author: yuma,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:15 pm
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thanks very much Drizzt! this is a nice surprise, as i thought that mod
was dead in the water.

#14: Author: squadman45,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:52 pm
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Only can say it´s a great mod, the old CCIII taste with the CCV spirit

#15: Author: Berserk_095,

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:16 pm
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I am from Russia. Thank you for this mod. My grandfather was killed in this war - The great war. And man, who can do the mod not only for the D day or Ardenn's offensive is very good man. My english is really bad)))

#16: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:30 am
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I need alittle help with playing this mod. when i try to go the battle selection screen it will no and say that has encountered a problem and needed to quit. can i get some help, cause i really want tot play this mod

#17: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:53 am
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here is the report it gave to me that showed the error

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#18: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:53 am
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Hi king tiger tank (I have seen also the PM), I have tried to have this error (I have tried to "damage" my mod, hehe!) to understand the file involved, but unfortunately I don't undestand.. the strange thing is that you have this error when, if I have understood well, you click "play game": never happens to me (I mean in general, not only in my mod). Seems not a map file error because it happens too soon; and not a mod file error because you have re-download it and the error is still there.
Suggestions:
- check in "install applications" if you have old CC applications not removed.
- use windows 98 compatibity for the exe.
- try to install it manually file after file (file type= for example all adb file then all txt file ecc.), after every type files re-written try to enter in the game and click play game, in another words try to find the file that do this type of error.
- check if you have all maps files in map folder.
- try to re-download it: is really rare, but can happens that you can have a "damaged download" not only one time, but two or three times.

I hope can help you.

Regards, Drizzt

#19: What we need now... Author: Mistmatz,

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:48 pm
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Played a couple of maps against the AI, general feeling is good, liked what I saw so far.
Problem - as always - is the terrible AI, so I wondered if there is/will be a vetmod around soon?

#20: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:00 pm
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Hi, sincerely I don't think that in my mod IA is "terrible". But I agree with you that CC5 IA speaking in general is not good so also in my mod is not good.
About vetmods I'm sorry but for now I don't have planned to do them, maybe in future. If someone want to do and release them I am glad! Only they should be considered "unofficials".

Regards, Drizzt

#21: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:53 pm
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well, I've tried all that you have done that you have recommended Drizzt, but I've found that is not your, but is the game. I'll see if it will work after reinstalling it.

#22: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:50 pm
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scratch that, it is the mod that mess up CC5, and I haven't found a way to fix it.

#23: Author: Boggz,

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:55 pm
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king_tiger_tank wrote:

scratch that, it is the mod that mess up CC5, and I haven't found a way to fix it.

I've encountered a similar problem playing as Germans in the Operation "Battle For Kharkov". The first map causes the game to crash when you reach the battlefield.

Have you tried other operations/campaigns?

Funny how mods work. I Can't play vetBob's Ardennes offensive Mod because during startup it gives me a "Streaming error".

#24: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:42 am
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Hi, if I have understood well, kink tiger tank can't enter in the game when he click "play game": game crash; boggs have a map crash: the two situations are very differents. Boggs: I have played the first two maps in op. battle of kharkov without problems so I don't think it's a mod problem.
Anyway I will be very glad to try to correct possible bugs if many people will report exaclty the same error.

Regards, Drizzt

#25: mmm Author: ANZAC_Lord4war, Location: Sydney Australia

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:25 am
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hey congrats on getting new mod out.
i will download the mod tonight
and suss out the install scripts and confirm for u if ur install and uninstall scripts r ok or not.
then at least u can tell these players to reinstall CC5 with confidence.
what u can do as owner of mod is to back up ur maps.
unplug any mods
uninstall 5.01
uninstall cc5

then reinstall it all

open cc make sure 5.00 works
upgrade to 5.01
open cc make sure 5.01 works
plug in ur mod (dont forget to make video folder if needed)
make sure works
then unplug it

if no errors doing that
i suspect it is another mod causing it.
there r a few available which do it.
u can now start to plug in other mods(maybe ask King tiger what other mods he plays for a clue)
plugging in ur mod after the other mods(one at time)
have unplugged
this way if it is not ur mod doing it
u can report the mod that is.
if that is too much for u,like i said i will d/l tonight when i crash out.
and investigate. L4W

#26: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:33 am
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Also...try playing the game in Win98 compatibility mode, also disable directdraw...you can read about this here:
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Content

Do a forum search for CCStarter Utility...should solve most isolated crash problems.

Good luck!

#27: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:42 am
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Drizzt wrote:

Hi, sincerely I don't think that in my mod IA is "terrible". But I agree with you that CC5 IA speaking in general is not good so also in my mod is not good.
About vetmods I'm sorry but for now I don't have planned to do them, maybe in future. If someone want to do and release them I am glad! Only they should be considered "unofficials".

Regards, Drizzt

I think the standard non vetmod data is quite challenging...probably due to the medium sized CC3 maps. I've only played as Germans mind you. With a 'quickie vetmod', coding Infantry as Vehicles and other minor SAI changes (what Pzjager calls Cheat Mods...hehehe)...and making almost all Russian teams 10 men strong...it's just relentless. Sure the AI is still pretty dumb...but the human wave attacks are very effective. I'm having a hard time defending against Russian Infantry human wave assauts...and when they have tank support...forget about it...run!!!

ANZAC_Lord4war also prefer giving the AI "Always See The Enemy" advantage...this will give you a more challenging game...but you'll lose your hidden guns, mortar teams and best teams very early on in the game because the AI will target them immediately with indirect fire.

#28: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
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I have tried what both have you have suggested and it did not work. I'm starting to think its something in my computer doing it.

#29: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:24 am
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to Lord for war: many thanks for the suggestions!! I must admit that I don't have thought too much to the plugin because I dont' know how do it (Mooxe has been so kind to do it for me). I must say this funny thing: I have not my mod in plugin version, I don't have download it! (hehe! I will download it). I will try to follow your suggestions, but before do it, about install-uninstall scripts I don't know how check them (I think about scripts you refer to plugin): thanks for the help if you check them!!

to king tiger tank and boggz: is important to me that you know that I have tried to help you: I have employed 40 minutes to check and re-write file after file to try to have in my computer the problem of king tiger tank; I have played two maps and check abd and txt file of one map to help boggz. Probably I have tried to help you not in the best way (I mean that I was not sure how find the bugs you have), but I did it!
I have remembered a thing that in past has resolved some of my problems with mods, maybe can help you: when you uninstall CC5, before reinstall it, delete the cc5 folders (if remaining, and even if empty) that are still there, (if you have save games or maps files you want hold relocate them). In this way you can try to do a totally clean new installation.

to squadleader: If you want release your vetmods feel free to do it! I use vetmods rarely, but I know that community use them.
And.. don't run! Hitler don't want you lose terrain without fight (hehe!!)

Regards, Drizzt

#30: Author: Mistmatz,

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:30 am
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Drizzt wrote:

Drizzt, my apologies if I wasn't clear about that, but it's of course not your mod that causes the AI to behave as it does. I'm generally not happy with the AI neither in Vanilla nor in any mod I've played so far.

The vetmods available for some mods help a lot in this regard. Alternatively one can choose to play one sided ops, but personally I believe vetmods are the way to go until someone develops a decent AI for this game series.

Thanks again for all your time and effort spent to bring this mod to life.

#31: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:26 pm
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Thanks Drizzt, the last you suggested worked.

#32: Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:41 pm
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Thank you very much for the 2nd Kharkov mod Drizzt. Smile

Downloading now.....

#33: mmm Author: ANZAC_Lord4war, Location: Sydney Australia

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:32 am
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Squadleader

Quote:

ANZAC_Lord4war also prefer giving the AI "Always See The Enemy" advantage...this will give you a more challenging game...but you'll lose your hidden guns, mortar teams and best teams very early on in the game because the AI will target them immediately with indirect fire.

Evidently u havent played DDay Utah Sector,the chance of AI scoring a direct hit on ATG is slim,if happens id say u deployed too close to enemy.The usual thing which happens is AI waist a lot of shells on it.
2ndly for experienced modders,there is a way for the modder to control what units the AI targets first. Smile

#34: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:32 pm
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Hi!

Downloaded the mod today. Havent played CC for months but now i have played for about four hours, shame on you! Smile

for making this excellent mod!!!

Cheers Mats Razz

#35: Author: dj,

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:49 am
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Sapa wrote:

Hi!

Downloaded the mod today. Havent played CC for months but now i have played for about four hours, shame on you! Smile

for making this excellent mod!!!

Cheers Mats Razz

Maybe Mats can get CC fever again and release Berlin 2 mod?

Thanks for this mod Drizt! My Romainians are hanging tough, barely holding on to the bridges in epic battles against the Soviet AI.

Had a couple crashes at first, but then after I reinstalled CC and got a fresh start it has worked perfect after several days into the grand campaign.

Good stuff.

#36: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:08 pm
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Hi Sapa and Dj, I'm glad you like the mod!

to Sapa: I want to say you these: in past I have had great fun with berlin mod!! I have played with germans and I have done a long GC with great fun (resist against red army was not easy: very good)!
About Karelia mod unfortunately I don't have found the time to play a full GC but I remember that is a great mod! For example I remember beautiful maps, great finnish voices, and great sounds ambience.
Many thanks for the fun you have given me with your mods!

Regards, Drizzt

#37: Re: 2nd Kharkov mod has been released! Author: Lamborghini,

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:30 am
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Greetings, Drizzt.

It's really a nice mod. Massive and huge. I have spent several days on it. With the german poor guns against KV-1s, it's really painful. After several days' tough fighting I have destoryed 3/4 of the tanks of 6rd Gds Tank brid and elmimate in one battle. It shows up again(This is fine) in the next day with full force pool!!! I am not sure if it is a bug or they have reforcement option(Similar as allies in the original).

Anyway. Great mod. And looking forward to your version 1.1.

#38: Author: Drizzt,

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:13 pm
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Hi Lamborghini, thanks!! I'm glad you enjoy with the mod.
About the forcepool of depleted battlegroups is not exactly a bug: seems that IA can use reinforcement button for depleted BGs even if I have pull off it, it happens also to me in past. I'm enough sure of these because in past, using the graphic file with the reinforcement button (I mean interchanging it with the file without renforcement button), in the savegame all others russian BGs had it and only the BG refilled don't had it.
After all I think that is not a great problem because if you play with russians you can't use reinforcement button (all is ok); if you play with germans IA can use it and these means that the GC will be more difficult for the player.

Regards, Drizzt

#39: Author: Lamborghini,

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:30 am
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Thanks, Drizzt.
Seems I have to take out the russia tanks again.
Sad

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