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#1: Meuse v3.5 Author: Volksjager_cn, Location: Washington state, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:07 pm
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FYI,

Tejszd and I are making changes to Meuse mod to make it more historically accurate. Things for sure will be changed are:

1. all weapons/vehicles data will be re-visited.
2. all forcepool data will be re-visited.
3. support element changes.

and more...

#2: Author: ronson, Location: England

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:59 pm
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Good Luck to you both Meuse is a great mod, and any improvement is very welcome.

Look forward to it Smile

Cheers
Ronson

#3: Author: Pzt_Kevin_dtn, Location: USA

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:52 am
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Can I make a few suggestions. We played a war with the Meuse mod and found two key issues.

1. The French FO is too strong. Bascially the German armor is useless when facing a French BG with FO because the French FO would knock it out (with indirect fire) before it could be brought into the fight.

2. It seems that equivalent French BG's are Faster than German equivalents and made attacking with German forces difficult to accomplish because the French would always push German BG back into a map. This runs contrary to the blitzkreig that the Germans supposedly accomplished in the war.

#4: Author: Volksjager_cn, Location: Washington state, USA

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:54 am
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Thank you Kevin for your suggestion.

1. I agree with you with my own GC experience that FO is too strong and thus, it should only exist when level is green or recruit.

2. The speed of the French BG depends on which type of division it represent. I need to double check but for DCR, its speed should be slower than that of Panzer Divisions. However, for DLCs, their speed should be equal or faster than that of Panzer divisions. They were the screening force of French army with the same role as German Panzer division's recon Abt.

#5: Author: Guest,

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:00 am
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Just double-checked. One French DLC has the same speed as the German Panzer BGs (3). German recon Abt is the fastest (4). There is 1 French light tank BG which has the speed of 4 and I think it should be 3.

#6: Author: ronson, Location: England

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:21 pm
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A few suggestions:-

Would it be possible to follow Dimas example in TRSM and get rid of the notorious 'pits of death' namely the dreaded Trench and Gun pit, which turn every initial defence of a map into a potential disaster. These supposedly items of cover are a liability as they are spotted with ease by most attackers long before the troops within are in effective range.

The Anti-Tank rifle......This is IMO one of the most useless troop types on the field, they are ineffective against even light armour, and the regimental cook would have more effect on enemy tanks Very Happy

. I don't advocate making a 'super weapon' of it so that it dominates the field like a GJS Shreck, but at least either give it some chance or dispense with it altogether.

Following on to the ATR, the snipers seem to be also largely ineffective, again these could do with a LITTLE more punch so that they can harass the enemy, as before this should not be excessive otherwise once more we will see the Ubersnipers able to wipe out enemy squads in the blink of an eye.

Cheers
Ronson

#7: Author: Volksjager_cn, Location: Washington state, USA

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:14 pm
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LOL for your ATR comment Robson. Razz

Yes, those ATR are useless except against half-track. For German, the ATR can do very little against French light tanks such as R35 or H35/38/39 tanks as they have thicker armor than PzIII/IVs. Let alone heavier CharB or S-35. They may have some chance against thin armored AMR tanks but with plenty of PzII/III/IV around, you don't need ATR to deal with French tanks. The same goes for Allies' Boys ATR. I would leave them in the forcepool but if I run out of the 20 unit slots within the BG, they would likely be the first ones to go.

Good suggestion for the removal of gun pit. I need to ask either Tejszd or Dima about how to do so as it has no usage.

Just as a background information. The reason I got involved was due to my last GC. http://www.closecombat.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13734 and my suggestions http://www.closecombat.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13904.

Keeps the suggestions coming.

#8: Re: Meuse v3.5 Author: pzjager, Location: Paris

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:48 pm
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Volksjager_cn wrote:

FYI,

Tejszd and I are making changes to Meuse mod to make it more historically accurate. Things for sure will be changed are:

1. all weapons/vehicles data will be re-visited.
2. all forcepool data will be re-visited.
3. support element changes.

and more...

Hi,

Meuse remains one of the very best CC5 mods.
Personaly, I would like it to be a little more....fun, or alive,I don't know exactly how to tell this in english. Plus de peps, quoi!

Mais c'est excellent. Go on!

PJ

#9: meuse sub-forum ... :) Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:41 am
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Ah very cool. This mod is finally getting some of the attention it deserves. It's own sub-forum... nice. Great mod, currently my personal favourite ever since Volks put me onto it ages ago.

My 2c:
Having played a few games testing changes I think perhaps the bombers are overpowered?

On ATRs - they are perhaps underpowered. I haven't really play tested them, nor do I have tonnes of evidence to support my claims (so basically speaking mostly out my ass) but I do have pictures from a PZ4 I saw at Technick Museen Sinsheim which had ~6 small holes in frontal armour from ATRs. Obviously french thanks would be more vulnerable than frontal PZ4 especially when hit from sides, rear and above.

In GJS the ARTs in ostie command groups can take out a sherman with a little luck and under ideal conditions.

#10: Author: caribacey, Location: St Martin, Caribbean

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:09 am
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My French buddy Francois would love an update of this mod. He refuses to play any other mod, heh.

#11: Author: Digs, Location: Ontario, Canada

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:14 am
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Do you happen to have an estimate on how long this will take to complete?.

#12: Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:21 am
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No ETA at this point.

I'm hoping to see what bugs and or other changes will be made as part of the CC5 Re release. In particular I need the issue with only the host seeing crushed fences/hedges during battle fixed if I'm to introduce the Bruckenleger IVb (PzIV Bridge building tank).

#13: Author: Volksjager_cn, Location: Washington state, USA

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:09 pm
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Actually, there is a beta version of Meuse in zip file format. You can download it from http://hosted.filefront.com/nogravity

All you need to do is to install Meuse v3.4 and unzip this zip file at C: drive to overwrite the CCV files. (Provided that your CCV is installed at C drive). When you uninstall Meuse3.4, all the files will be reverted to original CCV files.

It has lots of bug fixes of Meuse 3.4 by Tejszd and me. Most of the changes are made to match the historical values :
1) forcepool values for all the armor/ATG are based on historical number when you play as Line vs Line setting.
2) All the vehicles/weapon values have been revisited.
3) Some French battlegroups have been changed.
4) The reinforce button is removed from German side with all the forcepool in German BG being doubled. So, German side player don't have to contemplate whether to reinforce.

Please note there is one thing which may or may not be include in the final release. In this beta version, the fire support of mortar barrage is changed to heavy artillery barrage and the heavy artillery barrage is changed to heavy bombers bombardment. I put it in just as it is more representative to historical events.
ie, French had better artillery support at the beginning and German had strong aerial support.

#14: Author: GS_Schimpf, Location: Germany

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:25 am
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Any chance of having version 3.5 converted for The Longest Day?
Would be nice!

#15: Author: Therion,

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:16 am
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Any chance of having version 3.5 converted for CCMT?
Would be nice!

#16: Re: Meuse v3.5 Author: RD_TG_Jager, Location: New Jersey

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:03 pm
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Any news on the new release and will it be upgrade to CCWar orTLD games????

#17: Re: Meuse v3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:33 am
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Glad to hear there is still some interest in Meuse. I do have a couple versions on the hard disk that are not out in the public;

CC5 - Patch C to fix the stone fence crushed image and winter trees on some maps (Terrain, TerrainA.stm and some map txt files)
WAR - started to port it over but never finished as TLD came out
TLD - ported it over and have made a lot changes which I'm testing now

Last edited by Tejszd on Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:39 am; edited 1 time in total

#18: Re: Meuse v3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:53 am
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Here are a couple screen shots of Meuse on TLD;

Pic 1
- More units slots in the forcepool available
- New tank Pz IB shown in the support platoon

Pic 2
- Artillery available for both sides
- Night Battle available
- New French BG shown (they have an extra BG now)

Last edited by Tejszd on Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:38 am; edited 1 time in total

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