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#1: Moral of red army was much better then you all think Author: Zarin,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:53 am
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Im tru russian:

morale of red army since 29 dec 1941 (after parade on red square. from wich soldiers goes to defending line of Moscow) WAS BETTER then german troops to over the war. FROM 42-45 We FIGHT BETTER, GERMANS HAVE ONLY SUPREMANCE IN TANKS/ ITS ALL!!!

#2: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:01 am
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What were those guys doing with guns aimed at the back of the Russian soldiers?

#3: but Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:10 am
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moral is one thing, men assulting mg42's we dont doubt for 1 second took high moral and personal courage.

its the training, equipment that made the red army so formadable at the end,and numbers..........

train hard, fight easy.

#4: Author: Dima,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:51 am
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Zarin, really don't understand why u post that lol.

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morale of red army since 29 dec 1941 (after parade on red square.

parade on RS was on 7th of November 1941.

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from wich soldiers goes to defending line of Moscow)

RKKA was already almost 1,5 months in counter-offence by 29th of December Smile

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FROM 42-45 We FIGHT BETTER, GERMANS HAVE ONLY SUPREMANCE IN TANKS/ ITS ALL!!!

ye of coz, thats why the Germans reaches Stalingrad and Grozniy in 1942...

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Im tru russian:

study history, tru russian Smile

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schrecken,

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What were those guys doing with guns aimed at the back of the Russian soldiers?

what guys? u mean german einzatz gruppen?

Tack,

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its the training, equipment that made the red army so formadable at the end,and numbers..........

ye "God favors big battalions"(c), tho not really true for GPW.

#5: Author: Zarin,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:00 am
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schrecken wrote:

What were those guys doing with guns aimed at the back of the Russian soldiers?

Instantly it was 2-5 mounths then stalin wants to have control ovewr the army. LATER IT WAS NOT

#6: Re: but Author: Zarin,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:04 am
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ANZAC_Tack wrote:

moral is one thing, men assulting mg42's we dont doubt for 1 second took high moral and personal courage.

its the training, equipment that made the red army so formadable at the end,and numbers..........

train hard, fight easy.

train hard, fight easy
SUVOROVs WORDS

#7: Re: but Author: Zarin,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:12 am
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ANZAC_Tack wrote:

Amerikan mazafaka

#8: Author: Zarin,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:17 am
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Dima wrote:

Zarin, really don't understand why u post that lol.

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morale of red army since 29 dec 1941 (after parade on red square.

parade on RS was on 7th of November 1941.

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from wich soldiers goes to defending line of Moscow)

RKKA was already almost 1,5 months in counter-offence by 29th of December Smile

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FROM 42-45 We FIGHT BETTER, GERMANS HAVE ONLY SUPREMANCE IN TANKS/ ITS ALL!!!

ye of coz, thats why the Germans reaches Stalingrad and Grozniy in 1942...

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Im tru russian:

study history, tru russian Smile

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schrecken,

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What were those guys doing with guns aimed at the back of the Russian soldiers?

what guys? u mean german einzatz gruppen?

Tack,

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its the training, equipment that made the red army so formadable at the end,and numbers..........

ye "God favors big battalions"(c), tho not really true for GPW.

DIMA please ansver me: are you fashist?

#9: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:39 am
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DIMA please ansver me: are you fashist?

Do you lack historical arguments, and resort to that pathetic type of "argument"?

If u have arguments that supports your claims bring em forward, sources, documents, etc. this isn’t a forum for political back stabbing.

#10: Author: Dima,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:41 am
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DIMA please ansver me: are you fashist?

no. how does it correspond with the topic?

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Amerikan mazafaka

he is not american mazafaka Smile

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why do u insult him? what did he tell wrong?

#11: Author: ronson, Location: England

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:07 pm
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Wow this is a bit of a mud slinger ain't it LOL

an' less of the :-

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Amerikan mazafaka

Towards our Commonwealth 'convicts' Wink

if you don't mind......Its the goal in life of us lousy Poms to insult the Aussies....something we have been mutually doing towards each other for years, without the need of help from somebody who couldn't tell an LBW from a maiden over Laughing

Thank you very much.

Cheers
Ronson

PS Might be an idea to have your keyboard checked out mate, looks like the Cap lock keeps sticking!

#12: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:29 pm
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what he didnt tell was why he assumes that "we all" think the russians had bad morale?

i guess the first time Russia had a problem with moral was Afghanistan.
and before that 1917 probably..

#13: Author: karlmortar, Location: Falköping,Sweden

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:56 pm
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Maybe this guy either is a real Russian Fanatic or he simply don't understand english very well, and has missunderstod things a bit.

And i don't think Dima is a fachist.

And the thing schrecken said:"What were those guys doing with guns aimed at the back of the Russian soldiers? "

He probably meant the NKVD and the Comissars, who had orders to shot any soldier retreating, fleeing or deserting from a battle.

#14: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:14 pm
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In general:
I dont believe in history falsification/glorification, RKKA don’t deserve that, they deserves the truth.

They deserve credits for the brave thing they actually did, not lies and cover-ups about their mistakes.

Even Peter The Grate (terrible) was a coward in one/some battle, did it make him a bad leader in general, or are we to judge his overall actions that make him one of the grates leaders in history? Or is next step to start lie about his cowardness in that battle? Does he really deserve a lie?

#15: Author: Dima,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:24 pm
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He probably meant the NKVD and the Comissars, who had orders to shot any soldier retreating, fleeing or deserting from a battle.

uhh, another bad WW2 myth.

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i guess the first time Russia had a problem with moral was Afghanistan.
and before that 1917 probably..

and before that in 1905.
and before that in 1856.
and before that in 1700...etc

and what is so special about that? every country has periods when it's morale went down Smile

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what he didnt tell was why he assumes that "we all" think the russians had bad morale?

his statement is just unwise .

#16: Author: Dima,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:25 pm
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double post

#17: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:51 pm
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Beria didn't exist and there were no Commissars?

Next you'll tell me there were no German atrocities and Bomber Command won the war for the allies.

#18: Author: Dima,

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:32 pm
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Beria didn't exist and there were no Commissars?

hmm, what about Beria and commisars and yer initial post?

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Next you'll tell me there were no German atrocities and Bomber Command won the war for the allies.

uhh, u know all i want to say...
try to think for yerself Wink

#19: lol Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:38 am
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dime, i didnt know that was an insult! untill i read it slow...

i think this is a yound man, very proude of his nation,perhaps a soldier/cadet part time,maybe full time.

this is not an insult,just an assumption on the patriotic 'flag waving' which this post really is.

russian soldiers are in all 'hollywood movies' dumb recruits hurded of trains like dogs to be shot by germans, i think our fellow here is saying they where volentires who died for there country.

fact(edit to te best of my knowledge): almost No army was entirely volentire In or past ww1.

Australia was 100% volentire in ww1,and i dont have stats of ww2, but it was still mostly volentire. im sure the russian military of 1942 was largely conscript. this would lead to poor training, poor equipment and thus poor moral IN most circumstances. (edit untill after ww2 i cant think of a nation with 100% volentire soldiers who fought in numbers,not including partisans/resistant fighters,neutral countries,canadians may correct me, not sure
playing games, the russian are my prefered soldiers, because of the range of weapons,large number of soldiers/equipment.germans are of little interest to me. except survival in SOC mod.

australian mozza fokker...

#20: Author: SteveC,

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:37 pm
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Hi,

I would guess he is saying we all think that Russian morale is bad because of the poor morale rating he sees in many of the Russian troop types depicted in CC5 Stalingrad.

I dont agree with this view as there are good and bad troops portrayed on both sides and even bad morale troops will perform well if you don't ask too much of them.

Maybe he hasn't seen the morale ratings of some of the American units in Invasion Normandy.

Regards

Steve

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