mooxe wrote: |
I think 95% of people play vs AI exclusviely. |
ZAPPI4 wrote: |
Well, it's a fact. I personnaly play online H2H.
Does CCS support H2H more than IA fight? I dont feelt it this way. I guess, IA is played mainly by people : - who v got dial up network. It's expensif to play trought this kind of network. - who dont get the time to play online (playing online mean be ready to wait before the fun) - Who dont like simply to play versus too strong human tactic. - who dont think that people can play stronger than IA - who simply dont know where CC can be played. - who think that they need to pay to play CC online. and more and more Personnaly, playing versus the IA is a waste of time. i mean, and this is my own feeling ... I'm playing online to: meet people fight their counterstrike show what is my gameplay and looking their own. Pzjager, you know your mod are better when it's played versus human. Playing versus a strong IA is fine on this kind of mod, but i ll prefer to experiencing it versus human. Anyway, if anyone feel as CCS dont support enought IA play, please feel free to tell us and let's see what can be done |
pzjager wrote: |
Hi Zappi, Sorry my friend but everything or so is wrong in you message: 1) 1) You feel that people that play against AI are stupid because they a) don't want, 2) Don't care, 3) Don't know about to do it because they are not computer specialists, 4) Prefer AI Does a) don't want, 2) Don't care, 3) Don't know about to do it because they are not computer specialists, 4) Prefer AI means be stupid? maybe for you, not for me. 2) H2H has become an esoteric thing. Those who don't understand will remain stupid people. Well i'm online CC around 10 years now, and i saw many people not able to play online for many different reasons. But finnaly, they fixed this. 3) 95% of the CC players play AI. If you are a democrat, think about it. Yes, that's fine, as long as they v got fun. I never said DONT PLAY IA, I said I DONT PLAY IA. 4) My link with the EU referandum was so obvious! There is a mass of people wanting someting, (always more than 55%) and the official "power" (those who can acces and do the "information"), the little minority, who is at the commands. 5) THe problem with CC is that in this situation!! What is the problm with CC? I don't care! Me not Just, I love CC and would like it to be treated diferently Hum, i dont understand how bad u can feel to be treated. Please, tell me. OOOHHH! Just one thing. My future mods are being made for AI with H2H submods. They will remain like this. SO: a) If they are not interesting, just let me know b) Make a referundumon CCS. And understand the results Cheers PJ |
mooxe wrote: |
I think 95% of people play vs AI exclusviely. /quote]
Are 95% of CCS admins, moderators, etc..... AI players?? Hence my prior message Cheers, friend PJ |
pzjager wrote: |
Do a democratic vote, and the first ones always win. |
pzjager wrote: |
Hi Zappi, Sorry my friend but everything or so is wrong in you message: 1) You feel that people that play against AI are stupid because they a) don't want, 2) Don't care, 3) Don't know about to do it because they are not computer specialists, 4) Prefer AI 2) H2H has become an esoteric thing. Those who don't understand will remain stupid people. PJ |
Pzt_Kevin_dtn wrote: | ||
PJ - I read Zappi's comments and no where did I read him use the word Stupid or even infer stupidty for those who play the AI. I think the vast majority of people do play vs the AI because: - its frankly very difficult to setup the game to play h2h (personally it took me an entire Saturday afternoon to get it setup right and that was with some help form other players) - they don't have the right internet connection to handle h2h play - There is a time commitment involved with playing h2h (I've sat in a lobby for a few hours before with no one to play) - it can be intimidating to play a human opponent (I was scared half to death when I fought my first h2h game against a stranger) - they like the convenience of playing the AI according to their own schedule So let me speak frankly as one who SOLELY played vs the AI for close to 6 YEARS. For SIX straight YEARS I killed the AI, I walloped the AI, and I toyed with the AI, but I never got up the courage to go play anyone h2h. So like the vast majority of people here I was SOLELY an AI player for 6 years. I finally got tired of playing the AI and moved on to play other games. But I eventually would come back and play CC again vs the AI. Sometime during this period GJS became available on CSO and Atilla helped me manually install the game. So I played GJS vs AI for a long time as well but got bored again playing the worthless and predictable AI. Sometime during this period I bought another PC and had a brother living close by and we ended up syncing the two PC's via serial to play h2h for the very first time. YOU CAN"T IMAGINE THE SHEER JOY and WONDER at playing an opponent with REAL INTELLIGENCE. An opponent who can actually react to my moves or force me to abandon my plans and form a hasty defense. The difference was like NIGHT AND DAY. I seriously not kidding. It is a HUGE difference. But even then I still never got the courage up to try out H2H against other people other than the occasional game against my brother. I finally got sick and tired one day of playing DiabloII and went looking for another challenge. I pulled out my CC disc, updated my mods, loaded GameSpy (GS) and went looking for a fight. Initially I could only join games because I did not have my PC setup properly to Host on GS. From the start I got my butt kicked by players who were far more skilled at the game than I was. But I eventually met some players from Pzt who hosted some friendly and educational games and then helped me get my system setup properly. This all occured late Autumn of 2006 and I eventually joined Pzt January of 2007. SO HERE'S MY POINT I WAS solely an AI player for 6 years I got bored with the AI I got over my fear of playing H2H I took the time to setup my PC to play H2H I now SOLELY play H2H because the AI holds no challange for me. IMHO if the 95% who play solely vs the AI really had a good opportunity to play H2H then I think the preference of play would tip the other way. As I have said many times over and over again. Playing vs a human opponent is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. PJ - With all due respect, I enjoy your mods, you have done a great job making them, and you have been a great asset at keeping CC alive and kicking. You have even managed to make the AI a little more challenging to fight. BUT... it still gets predictable and boring pretty quickly. PJ- I would like to challenge you to an H2H fight so that you can really experience what H2H play is. Until you experience an H2H fight against a capable player you will forever remain in the dark about the difference. If you are in agreement, we can coordinate a game or small op suitable to our schedules. The gauntlet is thrown. |
Roel wrote: |
Sadly, many (not all) H2H (sub)mods do a poor job at meeting the needs of the H2H player. In my experience, if the core mod is already built from a 'play vs AI' point of view, the H2H submod will not change much. Roel |
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