RD_Thomas_Ross wrote: |
No matter how you slice it he was wrong. |
pzjager wrote: | ||||
That's why Cristianism -as well as Judaism or any one else-is a religion and why Islam is not. In Islam, You are part of a sect and are killed if going out of it!! Anyway, I am wasting my time with callaborators like you |
mooxe wrote: |
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/21/karadzic-arrested.html
Finally. I served two tours in Bosnia and seen the hate and destruction. |
Polemarchos wrote: |
the pics you show are from the Ljotic Group which represent 3-5% of the Chetnik movement. as Croatian you know that your folks used same kind of barbarism, and in fact started it in WW2. I dont defend any of these actions, but it is strange that a Croat points out Serb barbarism when it was the Croats that inflicted the larger margin of civilian murders during 1941-1945.
And dont forget, in the end they all died together(Ustasha and Chetniks) in Slovenia. read here: Manoschek, Walter: Serbien ist Judenfrei. Militärische Besatzungspolitik und Judenvernichtung in Serbien 1941/42. Schriftreihe des Militärgeschichtlichen Forschungsamtes Vol. 38, München: Oldenburg 1985. |
mochoho wrote: |
Not quite true, especially about Chetnik movement...what do you know except you have read some books about it, and who knows from whom.. |
mochoho wrote: |
First of all what about Ustase regiment living peacefully with whole Chetnik Dinara Corps in Croatia near Knin (if you don't know, those chetniks were Croatian citizens - called militia in fascist Croatian goverment), and what about Croatian partisan brigades....? |
mochoho wrote: |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Neretva 7th Banija Division (joined later) also Croatian 9th Dalmatian Division (joined later) also Croatian |
mochoho wrote: |
The point is that Ustase and Chetniks worked together along with Germans and Italians against partisans, which were almost equaly joined by serbs and croatians if you look statistically. Not to forget that Serbs were and still are almost twice numerous than Croatians. |
mochoho wrote: |
I know that Greek people have special simpathy for the Serbs, like French too. Probably because you are both ortodox christians who fought togeteher in 1 war, but to speak about Croatians like nazis is stupid, I personally had 3 members of familly fighting in Tito's partisans, who was btw half Croatian, half Slovenien. Born Croatian. |
mochoho wrote: |
So, in the end i have to say, i'm sorry but you people don't know anything about 2ww in yugoslavia. You don't know about Kingdom of Yugoslavia 1918 - 1941, and represion of Serbian King towards Croatians, and Croatian desire for a country of their own, long time ago lost. |
mochoho wrote: |
Lost since 1102. since Croatian Hungarian deal of union kingdom, lost from fighting against Osman Empire. In Vatican, pope Leo X in 1519. Croatian Kingdom called ''Antemurale Christianitatis'' or bulwark of Christianity (along with other nations fighting Turks - Hungarians, Germans), Croatia called 16th and 17th century "duo plorantes saecula Croatiae" or two weeping centuries of Croatia. It was pain and struggle for survival over centuries..and now Croatia is called fascist, bollocks!! |
mochoho wrote: |
You sholud check your feelings my friend.. |
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In fact, i like talking about history emotionless. |
schrecken wrote: |
Thing is events effect people emotionally, that's why they react the way they do. |
schrecken wrote: |
Trying to analyze historical texts in a disembodied emotionless state is one of the great failures of many would be historians. |
schrecken wrote: |
It's the stirring of emotions that makes great things happen and conversly wreaks havoc upon the world. |
schrecken wrote: |
end Lesson #1 |
mochoho wrote: |
Polemarchos,
i will reply to you soon about doctoral thesis. The documents are relevant about ustase - chetnik cooperation. Documents are held in Croatian and Serbian national archive that are now available for public. Also i will post these documents in original form and try to translate them in english. |
mochoho wrote: |
So, you will see that some doctoral thesis is just thesis of some western misguided person who thinks that german archive is precise. It's not, people who lived here know better what happened back there. Also, you said that lot of chetniks ended their lives in Bleiburg and some other mass graves produced by communist in the end of the war. That also is just a half way truth. Great number of those people ended at the end of the war as partisans, switching uniforms unlike croatian ustase. As croatians, many people had to serve croatian regular army (Domobrans - home deffence), well, lot of those guys switched uniforms and went over to partisans. My grandfather was Domobran when he deserted over partisans in spring 1943. He ended war as a sergeant in Yuoslavian Peoples Army liberating Belgrade, Zagreb and Trieste. [ I'm not so emotional as I'm mad when i here such nonsence... Haire ! |
mochoho wrote: |
Thanks Polemarchos, I'm also interested in a new thread...
Mooxe could it be done? Best for all!!! |
mochoho wrote: |
Chetniks fighting Ustase was happening almost by default in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Like in our latest war, Croatians and Bosnians (Muslims) on one side and Serbs on other side.
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mooxe wrote: |
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/21/karadzic-arrested.html
Finally. I served two tours in Bosnia and seen the hate and destruction. |
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