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#1: Successor to Close Combat? Author: gravyface,

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:30 am
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What's the deal? Is there a new tactical squad-based RTS WW2 game out there that's as good as CC? Anything in the works?

#2: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:38 am
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Is there a new tactical squad-based RTS WW2 game out there that's as good as CC?

#3: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:34 am
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You can try Theatre of War (RTS/TBS hybrid with realistic data) ... but IMO CC is still much better...and more fun to play Wink

Try Faces of War and Soldiers: Heroes of WW2 (1&2) if you like tactical wargaming mixed with Commandos style action Wink

And if you want to just blow things up WW2-style with pretty graphics...try Company of Heroes, Blitzkrieg Series and maybe Sudden Strike Series Very Happy

As for me...I'm still happily exploring (and reexploring) the CC Series and the mods! Enough wargaming to last a lifetime! And I'm just gonna wait until Shrecken & Co. produce the next CC!

#4: Author: gravyface,

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:49 am
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Is the "next CC from Schreken & Co" CC6?

#5: Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:30 am
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i been hooked on a FPS Call of duty4 for months now...god its fun.

#6: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:19 am
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ANZAC_Tack wrote:

i been hooked on a FPS Call of duty4 for months now...god its fun.

Tack, gravyface asked about new tactical squad-based RTS WW2 game...not FPS Smile

But on that note...I'm gonna get Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway next week...the BiA franchise delivers good Tactical FPS...but not as complex as Operation Flashpoint or ARMA.

#7: Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:59 am
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played demo of CoH, looked quite good, but i found the 3d interface quite difficult to move around in, and soldiers acted in strange ways,such as a us 7 man squad tacking on a HMG42 crew, and winning....and in the open, as if...

#8: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:38 pm
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squadleader_id wrote:

ANZAC_Tack wrote:

i been hooked on a FPS Call of duty4 for months now...god its fun.

Tack, gravyface asked about new tactical squad-based RTS WW2 game...not FPS Smile

But on that note...I'm gonna get Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway next week...the BiA franchise delivers good Tactical FPS...but not as complex as Operation Flashpoint or ARMA.

Hells Highway is a great game, of course it is US soldiers again..of course it is Airborne as episod one..but i have never seen smoke from the outgoing empty weapon shells in a RPS before!

You will love it! Very Happy

/ Mats

#9: Author: pvt_Grunt, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:28 pm
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Sapa wrote:

/ Mats

I'm looking at it too, they even have ads on TV for it now. They show a bazzoka taking out a church tower and my wife says "That looks like one of your games" - And I thought she didnt take any notice Very Happy

#10: Author: diggin.robat, Location: Land of the krauts

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:56 pm
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Theatre of War is coming next to CC IMHO. I played the Demo only. It is too much micro management but moreover it lacks the atmosphere and immersion. It is not much editable, due to 3d. Sadly GI Combat and it´s succesor was troubled from the start. My gaming combintion is CC and OFP with it´s numberous mods. Best is the Liberation Mod 1941-45.
In fact I have CC running on my HD constantly since 1998.

#11: Author: gravyface,

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:01 pm
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Same here. I find the 3d games weight you down with camera micro-management -- you can't beat a solid top-down 2D game, or at least if it's 3d, have sensible default camera views/modes. Seeing how many dedicated CC players there are, it blows my mind that somebody hasn't picked up where it left off and ran with it.

#12: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:35 pm
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Forgot...a friend of mine suggested John Tiller's Squad Battles series for a change of pace (Battalion/Company level tactical battles but TBS).
Lock'n Load Heroes of Stalingrad looks promising too.
Nothing replaces CC though...they're just useful for brief interludes between CC campaigns Wink

#13: Author: Therion,

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:39 pm
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Try Armoured Brigade. It's not as brutal as CC and has pretty ugly graphics, but it has a colour based heigh map, a possibility of checking line of sight from any given point, interesting artillery and air support system, non-spotted sources of fire aren't shown, spotted sources of fire are marked on map, it has a random map generator, AI that actually works, etc.
It's not WWII though - it's 1987. But it doesn't have modern tech as overpowered as in CCMT and due to a very solid design I have much more hopes for it's future than for CC series.

#14: Author: flick,

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:19 pm
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squadleader_id wrote:

Forgot...a friend of mine suggested John Tiller's Squad Battles series for a change of pace (Battalion/Company level tactical battles but TBS).
Lock'n Load Heroes of Stalingrad looks promising too.
Nothing replaces CC though...they're just useful for brief interludes between CC campaigns Wink

Are they free to download? Because I can't spare cash on an Hex-board strat game at the moment Sad

#15: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:09 am
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flick wrote:

squadleader_id wrote:

Are they free to download? Because I can't spare cash on an Hex-board strat game at the moment Sad

The JT Squad Battles series is pretty old...but not abandonware...but probably cheap if you can find them used.

Here's a screenshot of Squad Battles 6: Advance of the Reich:

Should appeal to ASL fans...and maybe CC players.

As for Lock ‘n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad ...brand new PC conversion of the L'nL board wargame...L'nL is basically ASL-lite with prettier graphics.
L'nLHoS will be published by Matrix Games (soon?)...unlike WAR, there's a lot of info on this game at the Matrix site.

Some screenshots:

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#16: Author: flick,

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:28 am
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Lock ‘n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad, sounds more like it!

I've been looking at the panzer campaigns tables, and I'm a bit lost with all the choice's, but very interested.

Iis there a demo that you can download, to see if you like the game? I dunno where to start Sad

#17: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:38 am
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Lock ‘n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad's demo is not ready yet Sad

http://www.locknloadgame.com/Section_Cat_Content_Detail.asp?SID=33&SCAT=74&ID=68

Here's a brief video of the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFdOMQsOvZM

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#18: Author: flick,

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:48 am
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No, I mean the HPS simulation games.

I've been kind of afraid of those Hex-based games, because they look so damn complicated to learn. But I though i'd take the plunge with this series..

#19: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:53 am
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Ahh...I see.
You might want to start with the smaller scale hex-games (Battalion/Coy level battles)...less complex and similar scale to CC scenarios.
But your choice Wink

#20: Author: flick,

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:56 am
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Haha, that was just an example..I have walk before I run.

I agree, I need to be pointed in the right direction of something more simple, but in the same style.

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