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#1: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard (7017) Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am
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Nothing here will make much sense.

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#2: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:40 am
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AT_stalky is a Goof off!

and what do you mean by "Night Elements" mr stalk?

Edited so the following post makes sense

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#3: Author: Dima,

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:28 am
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Quote:

What do you mean by "night elements"?

that's obvious - he meant vampires, zombies, werewolves, prostitutes and etc.

#4: Author: DAK_Legion,

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:56 pm
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[quote="Dima"]

Quote:

What do you mean by "night elements"?

that's obvious - he meant vampires, zombies, werewolves, prostitutes and etc.[/quote

That was very good Dima!JeJeJe Wink

#5: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:30 pm
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Nice...a darkened Pegasus Bridge map with vampires, zombies, werewolves, prostitutes Wink

#6: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:50 am
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I think Buf is working on something like that along with stalky.

I'll keep a look out for future developments and in the mean time they might get some ideas from this thread... at least they are listening

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#7: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:32 pm
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Quote:

So add your solutions for the Americans or a better German one.

I don't have any Americans in My GJS campaign.... oh wait canadians, they are the same , right?

Edit: had to edit after your edit... I'll edit again if you do.

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#8: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:14 am
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Quote:

before somebody else runs into a bug that may turn up as another simple data/coding error that slipped through the S3T cracks Wink

That will happen Smile

Quote:

You already sorta accused Sapa of overlooking mortars hitting the river.

I did because it was an obvious place to start.... sapa didn't respond except to throw another hissy fit... sort getting the standard response now from sapa....

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why not quickly re-check the data for errors/bugs and release a temporary/unofficial fix

There doesn't seem to be any show stoppers in there, so we won't make a mess of everyones installation by releasing adhoc updates that some people might have and others not... that's the path modders follow.

and besides... I don't do anything quickly.

#9: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:34 am
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Standard response from Sapa? hmm... what else should i do?? just pointing out a question what happend in the game and then you attack on all fronts Mad

If this is some kind of revenge on me for pointing out the forcepool bugs earlier you have got it!

Now YOU can answer with YOUR standard answer:

Answer from Schrecken when someone has pointed out anything negative in WaR:

Schrecken___________________________________________________

#10: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:57 am
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sorry... I missed something.

What attack sapa?

I asked for information.

#11: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:44 am
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schrecken wrote:

Quote:

why not quickly re-check the data for errors/bugs and release a temporary/unofficial fix

Yeh...no real show stoppers...but clearly shows lack of detail and care in your work...for a commercial game I might add.
But as long the tens of thousands who bought the game don't complain, right? Wink

You had all that time before releasing the 2nd patch...besides squashing out known bugs...why didn't you guys use the time to re-check the game for other possible embarrassing simple data errors and such?

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and besides... I don't do anything quickly.

Why not, Shreck? You're working on a commercial game...not a mod project just for fun and to pass the time Smile

Note: S3T has always emphasized that CCWAR is not just a CC5 mod.

#12: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:51 am
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because i don't have to

#13: The Wolfpack Author: Sapa,

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:19 pm
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Here is another typical Sapa question....

I thought the Wolfpack behaviour was removed in WaR??

Yes: i have the latest patch!

Yes: i am using my custom trees and flags!

Yes: it is the Dasburg map!

No: i havent changed anything else in the game!

Mats

#14: Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:21 pm
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It can still happen, especially on maps with deep water as there are only a couple spots armour can cross the river....

#15: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:45 pm
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I think there is only 3crossing points on that map... bound to be traffic jams.

But the problem has been alleviated if not completely removed.

#16: house in Liefrange Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:53 am
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Please check the Liefrange map...

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#17: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:17 am
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Tejszd wrote:

It can still happen, especially on maps with deep water as there are only a couple spots armour can cross the river....

Yes true, maybe you are right Embarassed

Just got a littel confused when i got this traffic jam, i havent seen it before in WaR.

/Mats

#18: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:32 am
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Not sure if this has been covered yet but my Germans seem to able to reinforce. Am playing with latest patch also.

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#19: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:59 am
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That is as designed.

Some German BG's can reinforce.

A bit weird wasn't it that only one side used to be able to reinforce.

Also note a fix... reinforce is now only available if you actually get a more powerful BG after the reinforce... you used to be able to reinforce and get weaker.

#20: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:00 pm
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When will the patch arrive to fix the voice bug!? I hate when americans shouts in german!! Mad

Mats

#21: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:11 pm
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Sapa wrote:

When will the patch arrive to fix the voice bug!? I hate when americans shouts in german!! Mad

Mats

...and Germans shouting in American (truce request).

#22: Some more Watersplash Author: Sapa,

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:17 am
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Another map with watersplash after mortar fire... :sweede

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#23: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:57 am
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^^^
Yep...probably more Slush elements Wink

Manually edit the elements.txt file and fix the miss-coded Explode Effect for "Slush" (see my previous post)...

Quote:

"Slush" element Explode Effect is coded = 2 (splash).
Unless "slush" in CCWAR are meant to represent "very deep muddy snowy moats"...then the explode effect should be = 1 (crater) Wink

#24: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:39 am
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Yea! thanks! btw why bother...getting real tired of it all.. Crying or Very sad

#25: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:28 pm
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Sapa wrote:

Yea! thanks! btw why bother...getting real tired of it all.. Crying or Very sad

...but tens of thousands are buying the game...and not complaining Wink

#26: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:19 pm
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Jagdpanther was aiming at an Allied tank. Allied tank fires and knocks out main gun. Jagdpanther fires main gun 4 seconds later then the main gun goes unavailable.

#27: Author: Dima,

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:58 pm
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Atleast they are listening...

big brother is watching you Smile

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#28: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:26 pm
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And you say we don't listen... can't win can we? Smile

Below are some of the conundrums we have ponder:

We don't listen - we spy

We put out patches cause the product is faulty - We don't support our product

We take forever to make a release, hurry up - We release before a product is ready

I can't use the easier modding format - hurry up and update the workbook

I can't count to three - (a * b) * c = a * (b * c)

I want a challenging strat experience - I want to play checkers

I can't figure out how to edit a btd - I find "battleships" challenging

You attack me - You don't follow up on my concerns

I don't want to pay - you guys should spend more time improving my game

I'd like an improved game - Download the game for free from torrents

Luckily it all makes me laugh more than a Monty Python skit Smile

#29: Author: Dima,

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:54 pm
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Quote:

Luckily it all makes me laugh more than a Monty Python skit

it's cool when you joke and laugh all alone Smile

btw, looks like your psychiatrist isn't any good - you start becoming worse each hour now?

#30: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:44 pm
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Now I'm laughing even more... nice retort.

Don't you laugh alone?.... sad.

#31: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm
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Oh, I see... you've never played battleships... i do with my 7 yr old son.

#32: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:28 pm
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Is that old-school Battleship game supposed to heighten our 'reflexes' for coordinate hunting skills needed to edit CCWAR new format BTD txt files...and StratMap txt files? Wink

BTW, I prefer 'modern/new-school' WYSIWYG version like these:

http://g4f-games4fun.blogspot.com/2007/08/battleship.html

http://www.minigameonline.net/games/Battle-Ships-Game_1016.html

#33: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:18 am
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I prefer a pencil and paper

#34: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:38 am
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Well...I believe we're discussing Close Combat...not ASL Smile

#35: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:47 am
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edit cut slash burn

#36: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:15 am
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really?

#37: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:32 am
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Pretty bad form for a site mod to post links to private forums.

#38: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:32 am
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schrecken wrote:

Pretty bad form for a site mod to post links to private forums.

Its just a link. Only members can access it. Dont get too paranoid. Webalizer and Google Stats automatically churn all this stuff out. Occaisionally I go and visit the referrers to see why CCS is mentioned.

If this forums going to be any use to anyone we should atleast stay on topic. I am trying my best.

#39: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:06 pm
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I know you have access to the data... I don't think you should make it public though.

#40: Author: Therion,

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:53 pm
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Taking in account the mysterious leak in the last year, your concerns are understandable.

#41: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:58 pm
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I suppose I could post everyones personal home address.

It's just an address

#42: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:34 pm
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That information was givin under the assumption it would never be made available or shared with others.
Are you seriusly considering breaking that trust?

#43: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:01 pm
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I honestly now wish I had givin more thought to giving out my personal information.
I may not have the means to prevent it being disclosed,emailed,shared or whatever.
But your statement alone Schrecken leaves me totally disgusted that I ever participated
And really makes me wonder if it hasent already been shared,or will someday be shared.

#44: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:47 pm
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You sound more stupid every day!

#45: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:56 pm
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The point is

Mooxe is in a privileged position of trust as administrator of this site.

he is abusing that trust by posting private addresses.

If the owners of the private addresses wanted them made public they would publish the addresses them selves.

It sounds like in your own weird distorted way you would agree with that plt_michael.

#46: Author: Therion,

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:59 am
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platoon_michael wrote:

That information was givin under the assumption it would never be made available or shared with others.
Are you seriusly considering breaking that trust?

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Pronunciation:
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Function:
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Etymology:
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Date:
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1: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money) ; broadly : figurative language — compare simile2: an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor : symbol 2
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#47: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:05 am
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ANYTHING that is listed on a http referrer is not private. A referrer tells me where you came from (bookmark or other site), what OS you use, your screen resolution, screen colours, web browser, flash version and whether or not you have java support and more. You are all broadcasting this unencrypted across the net every day you use the www. The URL is private not secret so therefore I can't see any harm done.

#48: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:29 pm
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Quote:

he is abusing that trust by posting private addresses.

Show me where,
I read this entire thread and maybe I interrupted in a conversation but your post Schreken was the only one I seen about posting private address.And I know you have that information (probably from my signing of the whole privacy thing when Beta testing)
As for getting more stupid everyday?
I have often wondered as I get older "Am I the only one who doesnt get it"?
"Or am I the only one who does get it"?

#49: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:19 pm
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Battlegroup shown to be out of supply in strategic phase. Once I went into force selection the supply bars at the top showed two yellow.

#50: Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:31 pm
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Hey Mooxe,

It turns out that when viewing a battle group the supply bar graph actually does not represent supplies (as in ammo, fuel) but actually visually represents the reserve squads in the BG forcepool. If there is another patch hopefully that label will be corrected....

In CC4 that bar graph was created as you couldn't see or change teams in a battle group. It was left in CC5 and WAR with the original label/name which is what is causing the confusion....

#51: Author: Therion,

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:54 pm
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Yes Very Happy

! Jump to each other's throats Very Happy

#52: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:58 pm
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So for instance I lose a few men from a squad, thier replacements come from that reserve pool. Is it possible that the reserve pool will no longer give replacements?

#53: Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:30 pm
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Probably shouldn't have used the word "reserve".... In CC4 you could not see the forcepool squad list so I believe that the supply bar graph actually represents the remaining squads in the BG forcepool not the "reserve/replacement" pool based on what was explained to me....

#54: yo Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:10 pm
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I'm thinkin right here is linked directly to where they don't listen...

so whatcha think?

or do you need a link......to think?

#55: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:36 pm
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mooxe wrote:

My stats indicate that this thread is linked into the Matrix Private Forums @ http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2088390

Atleast they are listening...

my stats indicate...... boneheads abound.... here

do you dudes actually care about CC moving forward?

or would you rather, as malcontents, piss-n-moan about days-gone-by and the powers-that-be?...(and FYI, those powers-that-be are so very obviously well beyond you-n-yer-ilk)

#56: Author: Therion,

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:38 pm
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Flamethrower wrote:

do you dudes actually care about CC moving forward?

If they did, they would probably demand CCMT 2, because it's the only way we could see a big move forward now. But, alas...

#57: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:15 pm
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Flamethrower wrote:

mooxe wrote:

My stats indicate that this thread is linked into the Matrix Private Forums @ http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2088390

Atleast they are listening...

I have a tip for you Flamethrower, CCReq your GC tests to 5min games. You will be able to test more and there wont be as many glaring bugs on the rerelease. You will see more BGs in action, play on more maps, see more game events unfold and get farther inland on the GC.

Its sucks to play the AI for fun on 15m games, waiting for the AI do to something is pretty borring, especially when the battle gets stalemated, and extra espcially when its just for beta testing, its to bad CC cant keep running when minimized.

#58: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:57 pm
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Quote:

I read this entire thread and maybe I interrupted in a conversation but your post Schreken was the only one I seen about posting private address

Ask mooxe he cut pasted and created this thread out of thin air.

He has made it up as he goes along.

Now PRIVATE is not secret so posting home addresses would be fine according to Mooxe.

I guess the next step is for Mooxe to start creating posts under other peoples names...

Absolutely incredibly dumb, rude , inconsiderate and an abuse of his position as administrator.

#59: Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:17 pm
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Flamethrower wrote:

do you dudes actually care about CC moving forward?

Oh yeah, Cheerleader says "Support the developers, despite whatever crap they give you."

Been how many years now.. wow... we have had RERELEASES!! Yay!! Wait that isnt new?? But surely the developpers are listening to the clienst son what they want?? What?? They fight with them in forums???

Poor business model, poor business.. CC wont go forward in the current hands its 'trusted' into..

Good to see Flamethrower/Cheerleader is back form his hissy fit so he can continue to make the developpers look like fools...

#60: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:32 pm
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CSO_Sbufkle wrote:

Flamethrower wrote:

do you dudes actually care about CC moving forward?

another sermon from the mount...buttfukle style...all knowing about CC and Mr. big business-know-it-all...he he, what a wanker...you are so far out of the loop you need a telescope (same one you use to see yer dick with)

speaking of re-releases, or rather, never-releases, hows your latest joke mod coming along?

hardy har

#61: junkyard Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:38 pm
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schrecken wrote:

Ask mooxe he cut pasted and created this thread out of thin air.

agreed, but I like the "junkyard dog" quality of this thread regardless of the manipulative admin tactics

ruff ruff...some big dogs barkin...and of course, the little hump-yer-leg-ankle-biter as well, you know, the little poochie poo...Mr. mess-on-the-rug-dick-licker

#62: Author: flick,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:43 pm
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I'm suprised both parties, lower themselves, to calling each other names.

#63: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:41 pm
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flick wrote:

I'm suprised both parties, lower themselves, to calling each other names.

the long "strong" history of CC has an accompanying soundtrack of whining (I call it "as the CC worm turns" - and it is a dirge), and bitchfights involving internet-hero-surf-in-their-underwear-punters scrapping over virtual attention and desperate digital-ego-recognition with some genuine flakes involved in modding, and of course, the I'm-a-CC-god-but-need-to-get-a-life-dudes (as is evident hereabouts) that host the CC websites...so...if you have been around for a while, you shouldn't be suprised...if not...welcome to the party

at the end of the day.....it is a farkin game already

but a real good one if you like WWII wargaming...in fact, the best

#64: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:37 pm
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Hey Flame,
If I buy the Longest Day will my tanks be able to shoot through not only buildings but now Hedgerows too?

#65: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:40 pm
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platoon_michael wrote:

Hey Flame,
If I buy the Longest Day will my tanks be able to shoot through not only buildings but now Hedgerows too?

hey you back....my guess is that if you buy it you will have some big fun (I bettcha dollar on it)

and of course, you might have some things, to suggest....for improvement

#66: Re: junkyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:18 pm
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Flamethrower wrote:

schrecken wrote:

Ask mooxe he cut pasted and created this thread out of thin air.

:lol2

#67: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:40 am
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Topics which were way off topic in other threads were moved here. Not trying to pick on anyone, I am just trying to keep threads on topic. Alot of new people visit here and browse the forums, its to make it easier for them. I'll be trying from now on to put most widly offtopic BS into topic 7017.

#68: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:57 pm
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mooxe wrote:

Topics which were way off topic in other threads were moved here. Not trying to pick on anyone, I am just trying to keep threads on topic. Alot of new people visit here and browse the forums, its to make it easier for them. I'll be trying from now on to put most widly offtopic BS into topic 7017.

ok.....lets rumble

#69: Author: southern_land,

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:34 pm
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I like Purple

#70: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:43 pm
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Purple sucks... mauve is the go!!

#71: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:20 pm
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don't forget taupe

#72: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:11 am
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Ah, thanks mates!

Some "we-are-creative-alpha-males-and-the-rest-of-you-are-just-moaning-wankers" have just cured me from all will to follow the discussions in the forum and every thought of buying the coming CC game! :ok1

This is probably my last post, but that doesn't matter since I'm just sitting in my underwear and complaining about the GREAT games that the almighty company releases... :prostration

#73: Author: Therion,

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:15 am
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Very Happy

#74: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:10 am
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Quote:

This is probably my last post, but that doesn't matter since I'm just sitting in my underwear

Do you have any photo's... I bet they're mauve!

#75: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:44 pm
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By request...

But Therion likes to explain words, ask him about *sarcasm' Rolling Eyes

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#76: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:52 pm
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7A_Woulf wrote:

By request...

you mean..

#77: Author: southern_land,

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:26 pm
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Seriously woof if you wanted to know about WaR or LD look in the appropriate forums. Looking in "the mess" then "off topic and trainwreaks" and expecting anything is a bit frigging precious mate

#78: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:29 pm
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southern_land wrote:

Seriously woof if you wanted to know about WaR or LD look in the appropriate forums. Looking in "the mess" then "off topic and trainwreaks" and expecting anything is a bit frigging precious mate

my precious......

#79: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:10 pm
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Particularly this thread which Mooxe created himself and put my name on it.

This thread is a complete fabrication by the admins here so you shouldn't read it.

I don't!

#80: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:35 pm
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true nuff....

but it is kinda homey......burp, fart, itch

#81: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:56 am
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schrecken wrote:

Particularly this thread which Mooxe created himself and put my name on it.

This thread is a complete fabrication by the admins here so you shouldn't read it.

I don't!

I believe I am the author of the thread.

#82: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:37 am
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Only because you keep using your magical (administrator) powers to change it again.

How many more times are you going to change it?

Oh wait... I'll edit this post for you.

Mooxe is a goose

#83: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:55 am
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I dont think I need to change it, this thread seems to be keeping your crap contained.

#84: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:01 am
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Quote:

Seriously woof if you wanted to know about WaR or LD look in the appropriate forums. Looking in "the mess" then "off topic and trainwreaks" and expecting anything is a bit frigging precious mate

I have the odd habit of reading new posts, even sick ones like this. Wink

My reaction is about the view of us gamers from some of the people that seems to be involved in the game-creation... But the expression "the customer is always right" maybe don't apply to computer-game creators? Rolling Eyes

It's the same old 'Microsoft-logic' as always; -Lets release an unfinished product for a rip-off price and then release a ton of patches to make it work tolerable, but curse anyone who disagree or does something we don't agree with!

I'm not going to whine any more about this, but if schrecken have issues with mooxe I prefer that he don't throw shit at me just because I play CC and don't brown-nose the creators of the game...

#85: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:16 am
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My bad, schrecken just felt we don't appreciate their work and whined...
It was flamer who threw shit while he tried to bark for his master Rolling Eyes

#86: Author: southern_land,

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:51 am
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7A_Woulf wrote:

And again i have to take issue with you. Seriously, if the customer was always right, there would be one customer with one opionion. I could quote Plt Michael from these forums saying how he thinks there's too much deep water, then in the same post he says another map would benefit from it. What he's essentially saying is, things should have been done my way. Well he had his chance, he was a part of the team but he left even before some A$$hole leaked a prebeta out on torrent. When that happened we lost most of our testers. I'm sure if you asked another customer they would have their own ideas on how they could make it better. I recall vividly buying cc4 about 10 years ago and knowing exactly how I would have made it. I have a rough idea how many games have been sold to date and believe me the moaners are hugely outweighed by the people that I really hope are enjoying the experience.

As to the flaws, yeah there are some, but I personally don't think they're as bad as they've been made out to be. I've played waR extensively and only ran into a couple of occasions of the dreaded hole in the wall, maybe there are more but i haven't seen them and thankfully neither has my AI

then we come to disagreements over aesthetics. Such as the strat map. I'll have to admit I don't like it, its a little difficult to use, Id prefer a smaller map or a bigger "hole" to look through but is sure as shit isn't a game breaker. It would be if the game still scrolled a warp factor nine like cc5 did but thats been fixed in WaR. You can scroll slowly and working in conjunction with the overview map I've found no real issues with navigating the strat map. But consider this, it was done for a reason, it wasn't just lumped together, it was done because the part of the team that put that together wanted that. there's no right or wrong (black or white) there, its a matter of aesthetics. Te same as Sapa moaning about the upturned Stuart wreak, i think he'll find that isn't the first time such a wreak has been used. but again, right or wrong doesn't enter into it, aesthetically its what the person who was doing the vehicle graphics decided to do, and this was accepted.

Then there's a much moaned about lack of tools. Well as far as i'm aware none of the existing tools were made available to us and by existing i mean the ones that Atomic used. So do we use ones that modders have used, ones that we can't get permission to use as their creators have left the community and ones that can't handle the extras that have been put into WaR (extra maps, larger strat map etc for example) or do we start afresh.
Much has been made by those that I call the haters that War is no more than a mod, well if thats true (its not) it was created with the same tools that are on hand for the new generation of moders to use, namely Mafi's awesome selction of tools and excell (or open office). If we've done it they can, and again, abandoning the old tools wasn't done without a reason, it was nessecity and example of which is 3c, the map coding program, it can't handle the extra elements used in WaR. Maybe we should have hacked it? No, thats neither right nor moral.

As regards the rip off price, maybe sweden is different to New zealand but here no one is forced to buy computer games. its a judgement call. Is this what I want? What do the reviews say. For instance I'm very keen to buy totalwar empire however it is exepensive and even after several patches well in excess of a gig apparently it's still buggy as hell... so I have deplayed my purchase.

In conclusion i hope this straight laced reply has helped. I am not the owner of the company, I'm just the guy that made some of the maps however I am a part of the team and i believe we did a good job so accordingly I reserve the right to slag off any cretin who seeks to denigrate what we've acheived in any manner I see fit. Sometimes i'll argue the point, other times I JUST LIKE PURPLE!!!

#87: Author: southern_land,

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:20 am
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mooxe wrote:

Is it really a rerelease if they build it upon the WaR/TLD games? It would be more like a Market Garden mod.

or maybe the supa dupa massive really cool Market garden expansion pack i believe is the industry term

#88: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:07 am
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Quote:

Is it really a rerelease

It's viagra on a disc.

#89: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:39 pm
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schrecken wrote:

Quote:

Is it really a rerelease

It's viagra on a disc.

viagra? er...is re-release like multiple orgasm?

#90: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:43 pm
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Quote:

I could quote Plt Michael from these forums saying how he thinks there's too much deep water, then in the same post he says another map would benefit from it. What he's essentially saying is, things should have been done my way. Well he had his chance, he was a part of the team but he left even before some A$$hole leaked a prebeta out on torrent.

Thats twice I seen my name out there.
Here now and once when Mooxe asked me if I was worried about being blammed as the leak.
Please any of you dont include me in that part of a conversation,you may not like what I have to say but I do know how to keep my mouth shut when needed.
Yes I did say that about Deep water.The map in question was Clervaux,by looking at all the high elevations it would only be natural that the rivers on that map would have had Deep Water.Now on a map like Reuland where the elevation is pretty flat that river most likely would not be deep.Only if the area above that had high enough elevation could it only then have been carved out deep by excessive rains,and thats not the case either by looking at the map above it.
I have proved the Deep water effect on the AI many times over both at CSO for your eyes to see, with my own eyes years ago with VETBoB and even in the private forums when I was a member.
My original argument/statement or what ever you want to call it was for the maps to have Deep water for H2H and just water for playing the AI......please get it straight.
And the same holds true for Steep elevations.Go play B.O. and se for your self.

#91: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:56 pm
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As far as leaving goes It became very clear that my opinion/ideas were either ignored or responded with "this is just a re-release"
When I asked that the Terrain file be expanded to have more trees I sure as Hell didnt want to see Palm trees either for or from Jims africa mod placed in a game thats supposed to be about the BoB.
It was ment to have more Conifs. to get rid of the same old boring tree seen on every map.
Do you hoenstly think that if I had stayed for the duration my opinions would be any different?
NO they wouldnt be.
I left so I wouldnt ever have to see my name on the box for something I couldnt stand up and support.

#92: Author: southern_land,

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:38 am
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just so we're clear, at no point was I saying or even suggestion you were the leak Micheal, it was a statement of fact that chronologically you left even before you otherwise may have been forced to with the general dismissal of testers after the leak. Everyone was putting forward ideas, those of us who remain still are. Most of them never saw the light of day; so why should yours take precidence? If you really believed in your ideas you should have dug in and a pushed them, if one idea didn't take root relook at it, redraft the idea and present it again, put forwards variations

As to the deep water issue once again its still a matter of opinion over right and wrong and again had you been there you could have debated with the coders their choice, had you been proven correct it is a very simple alteration but you had given up. As to coding the map for AI or H2H play you know that would require mod swopping. Again it's something that could maybe have been done had you been their to argue the point, hell you could have taken the maps you felt were wrong, recoded them yourself and said "try these out"... but you had already left

you can't blame anyone for that but yourself. you felt slighted, you felt that your opinions weren't given enough weight so at the end of the day YOU baled out on US.

#93: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:51 pm
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Southern, first of all I must give u guys who creates games a lot of credit; -I've tried to make a good looking "time and moral hidden" and it just gave me some more gray hairs without the result I wanted... Rolling Eyes

And that the prebeta leaked really sucks, company-secrets and all that "stuff", in my eyes no new commercial products should be put on torrent. (And now I guess some other guys will come for my scalp... Razz

)

I haven't tried WaR, I stopped buying the games after CC5, so I can't say anything about later editions. But what upset me about the game then was that I paid some 300-400 SEK for it when it was released and then there were a hopeless AI and the annoying landing of the engineers at Cap de la Hague (and yes, it only took one patch to fix the later problem...) But still, I paid for a product that didn't work without an internet-connection and ended up in the basement for years until I found this community. If I want to buy a newly released computer game today, I have to pay as much as 500-600 SEK, and for that money I prefer to know that it works and satisfies my expectations, don't you guys?

Finally I don't think every customer is "right", the final call is up to the game-creators. But everyone have the right to an opinion without being disrespected and attacked as "dumb-assed-computer-geeks-in-their-underwear" as some of our friends here did, people that obviously were involved in the creation of the game and therefore had a small obligation to act as the creators "face outwards". That's what I reacted about! I don't mind a calm and collected discussion, that's what brings our entire world forward, but I can spare me the s**t-throwing that occurred earlier in this thread, things like that pisses me of! Evil or Very Mad

#94: congeniality Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:46 pm
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7A_Woulf wrote:

Southern, first of all I must give u guys who creates games a lot of credit; -I've tried to make a good looking "time and moral hidden" and it just gave me some more gray hairs without the result I wanted... Rolling Eyes

hey Wolf - you are obviously a well spoken CC enthusiast - so apologies if I offended you with my sh1t throwing - but you should realize that some of your input feathers in with the ongoing campaign (GC, if you will) and ardour of a cadre of piss-n-moaners attacking the developers of new CC versions (apparently the results of all the hard work doesn't satisfy their desperate CC needs).

I can't claim real objectivity but based on extensive gameplay the new versions, and in particular TLD, are a much more challenging generation of our venerable, and much loved, wargame

#95: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:24 am
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Now see that’s real nice Flame.
A guy who admits the game has been in his basement for years and hasn’t played it much gets treated with respect when he mentions the bugs that kept him from playing it.
But those who play it and play it daily complain about the bugs, well their just piss moaners.

Make your stand bro and stay with it.
If you can’t handle the complaints (and many of the bugs are obvious) then maybe don’t come here and read our posts or , dont get into game making, or wait until the game has been fully tested.

Basically it looks to me that you either have no idea whats going on or you dont truly play the game.
Because if you did play the game you wouldnt be happy either with the bugs.
Especially not when we dished out $50 for it.

#96: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:10 pm
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Kinda makes me wonder,
If im a piss-moaner for pointing out the obvious
Is it fair for me to say you guys are theives or crooks for games that are still unfinished and unlikely to ever be finnished?

#97: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:27 pm
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platoon_michael wrote:

Now see that’s real nice Flame.
A guy who admits the game has been in his basement for years and hasn’t played it much gets treated with respect when he mentions the bugs that kept him from playing it.
But those who play it and play it daily complain about the bugs, well their just piss moaners.

Make your stand bro and stay with it.
If you can’t handle the complaints (and many of the bugs are obvious) then maybe don’t come here and read our posts or , dont get into game making, or wait until the game has been fully tested.

Basically it looks to me that you either have no idea whats going on or you dont truly play the game.
Because if you did play the game you wouldnt be happy either with the bugs.
Especially not when we dished out $50 for it.

Dude - I wager I play the game more than most, and certainly more than you. I have played the game for thousands of hours just in the last few years (let alone the 10 years I have been addicted to CC) including just about every damn mod out there

"Complaints" that identify practical opportunities for improvement do have merit and based on what I observe strong efforts are made by the development team to incorporate those improvements - the recent coding debate a case in point - huge efforts went into addressing that issue for the latest release

You and your lame excuse for bailing from the opportunity to put your shoulder to the wheel and help make a better game, you know, "wa wa - nobody listened to me - wa wa", are a perfect example of a piss n moaner - Since you bailed your sniping & carping from the cheapseats is the definition of sour grapes

#98: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 3:02 pm
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With all you experts and your 1000's of hours of playing what exactly were you doing while playing?
In the written manual it clearly shows the BG characteristics image (pg 21)
But ingame it wasn’t present.And was stated something to the effect as (it never was ingame)
It had to take for someone to ask for it in order to be done.

Such clear mistakes and the constant cover ups when pointing such things out when WAR first came out leaves one with what we have here in terms of observatons of each other.

#99: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:10 pm
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Hello,
I've been messing around with a Campaign created through the Scenario Editor and I seem to be having problems saving the file.
If I open the file and change nothing then try to save it I get an "Invalid Battle Data" error
(Although it let me save it the last time around I edited it.)

I have also been getting that error when trying to add any of the last 3 BG's from the Allied side.
It would greatly appreciated if someone could help me out trying to trouble shoot the error.
Thanks

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#100: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:17 pm
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Hi!

I spend one hour last night, trying to find the problem without sucess Mad

This is real strange...same kind of error as when you make your own stratmap and there is something wrong with a BTD (but of course this cant be any problem in WaR with the easy modable txt BTD)

Changed the supply (map on the screenshot) and succeded to save it, opened it and tried to save it, same error again :nuts

I dont now what it is...yet!

Mats :sweede

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#101: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:24 pm
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I thoughtit might be the Supply or that I had units comming on maps that didnt have supply icons but even then I couldnt get it to save.
Firefox thought it might be the new.ovm's I created.
Are you using those Sapa?
I dont see why that would be a problem but maybe it is.

#102: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:06 am
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i just teated this with the creation of six different scenarios... no problems

i can open, edit and save campaigns fine.

I can create new campaigns fine.

There are a few to download here http://closecombat.matrixgames.com/WaR/WaRmods.html

#103: Author: Sapa,

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:36 am
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platoon_michael wrote:

I thoughtit might be the Supply or that I had units comming on maps that didnt have supply icons but even then I couldnt get it to save.
Firefox thought it might be the new.ovm's I created.
Are you using those Sapa?
I dont see why that would be a problem but maybe it is.

Yes i am using your owm,they are great btw, but i dont think these has anything to do with the problem....

I will keep looking on it when i have some spare time, removing one BG after the other from the scenario and try to save it, it can be a BG problem to...

In CC 5 you can put BGs into the map without supply and i suppose it is the same in WaR...

Mats :sweede

#104: yo Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:58 pm
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@ furfux, yer gettin off the main rail (again) - so buy it - play it - then bitch - if you feel the need

@ the rest of you folks - neat eh? as has been said "not bad for a re-release"

#105: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard (701 Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:09 pm
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mooxe wrote:

Nothing here will make much sense.

prophetic, and humbly observant

#106: admin hijinks Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:42 pm
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move this...bozos

#107: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:53 pm
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dis iss me favetread mon, bringiton

SL?.... ye peekin? Q? moved ta rag sum? anda Da Shreckatama?...he da biggabeetcha mon

yo, ya bitches needa regroupa, nuttin on de homo page...anda no reala rags 'bout 'te rockin re-release?

comon

#108: Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:04 pm
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Rolling Eyes

rofl

I'll bury my hatchet, I got my excuse and if PM didn't like it because I haven't played for a few years... sfw?
Can't be a friend of everyone : Cool

And purple is nice, but personally I continue to wear black until they comes up with something darker.................................

#109: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:44 pm
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now that is a wicked Vulva...er...Volvo

#110: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:40 am
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My WAR GC is still stalled due to a CTD
How long has the game been out now and we still have many many bugs?
Compound that with your constant bragging does nothing but piss me off.
Flamethrower you are hands down without a doubt a piece of shit!

#111: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:57 am
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platoon_michael wrote (View Post):

My WAR GC is still stalled due to a CTD
How long has the game been out now and we still have many many bugs?
Compound that with your constant bragging does nothing but piss me off.
Flamethrower you are hands down without a doubt a piece of shit!

wise words from poltroon_michael, Mr. Drunkenpost, Mr. nobodylistenedtomesoIquitandwon'teverletgo

#112: Re: Granatbuchse Author: Dima,

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:02 pm
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were you banned at google.com? Very Happy

#113: Re: Granatbuchse Author: Nuuye, Location: Paris, city of rats!

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:01 pm
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Dima wrote (View Post):

were you banned at google.com? Very Happy

That's not an an answer, friend.

#114: Re: Granatbuchse Author: Dima,

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:59 pm
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Quote:

That's not an an answer, friend.

that's an answer, fred Wink

#115: Re: Granatbuchse Author: Therion,

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:20 pm
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Dima wrote (View Post):

were you banned at google.com? Very Happy

#116: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:05 am
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I cant log into CSO forums so gave a pm to one of the admins. After 11 years and ver 5000 posts I was informed I was not an unregistered user and would have to start by reregistering and starting as a newbie.

I guess its the CSOs way of rewriting history liek I never existed...

Nice repsect I get eh?

#117: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:31 am
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I guess you earn the respect you get.

You're not the first to be the target in a hack, and you won't be the last... just get over it.

#118: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:39 am
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

I guess you earn the respect you get.

You're not the first to be the target in a hack, and you won't be the last... just get over it.

So you ARE targetting me?

So my posts which I can see clear as day are what.. linked to soemoen who didnt exist?

Wow.. How petty of you guys, how disrepsectful and petty.

#119: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:46 am
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CSO_Sbufkle wrote (View Post):

schrecken wrote (View Post):

I guess you earn the respect you get.

You're not the first to be the target in a hack, and you won't be the last... just get over it.

So you ARE targetting me?

So my posts which I can see clear as day are what.. linked to soemoen who didnt exist?

Wow.. How petty of you guys, how disrepsectful and petty.

No time for that sort of pettiness...

barely enough time to check on yiur status... and found you don't exist.

#120: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:48 am
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Just to remind you some people have posted they have lost hundreds of posts in the last attack... myself included... that's life... you just scored better.

#121: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:18 pm
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CSO_Sbufkle wrote (View Post):

Wow.. How petty of you guys, how disrepsectful and petty.

Hardy, har, har

now that is rich...buttfukle calling anybody else disrespectful & petty

what buttfukle? you worried somebody is threatening your world record for petty? ...not a chance...you are the Michael Phelps of piffling, the Tiger Woods of sniveling

As an example of his primo pettiness, here is a pm, at this site, that the lilliputian leader of the Legion of Dishonor sent me after he had quit in a hissy-fit (for the 3rd time) as an admin over at CSO and I had been asked to help fill the void he created there:

From: CSO_Sbufkle (Offline)
To: Flamethrower (Online)
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:41 pm
Subject: Hello
Checking out the competition? dotn worry.. its coming..
sis boom bah!

what have you doen for CC?? I have doen more than you...

back to reality...

@ butt,

no matter how you want to pretend that you are the focus of "special" treatment at CSO, a hack caused the problems, and it affected everyone...butt, rest assured, you really are "special", and will always have a "special" place in the history of CC...

#122: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:38 pm
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Speaking about problems with CSO - I can't log in into my account since some time and when I enter my email address . My last post there was in August 2008.
For some weird reason I don't receive the email when I use the Lost Password Recovery option.

#123: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:37 pm
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- the same thing happened to me and many many others as a result of the hackattack - I had to get Q.M to reset my pword - see if you can pm Q.M or Schreck over there and get them to do that for you

it is amazing how CSO takes and licking (being subject to repeated hackattacks from some vengeful prick with an axe to grind) and keeps on ticking (thanks to Shaun and the $ generosity, and hard work of a handful )- and on top of having to repeatedly rebuild the site after the attacks he (and the rest of us) have to hear pathetic sniveling from Aholes who think they are the center of the universe and can't face the reality of their own pathetic, vengeful, infantile, nature

#124: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:01 pm
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What's the deal with these hack attacks?

#125: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: QM, Location: Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:20 pm
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Therion

Please check your PM inbox here.

Regards

#126: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: US_Brake, Location: USA

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:43 am
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LMAO Laughing

#127: Re: Officially Unregisted from CSO Author: Searry, Location: Finland

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:16 pm
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LOL, you fuckers care about number of posts?

#128: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: shoe1111, Location: Netherlands

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:23 pm
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I am secretly in love with Mooxe

#129: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:37 pm
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Quote:

LOL, you fuckers care about number of posts?

I think when a few people tell they have had changes in their account settings like this itis a way of indicating to the wider community that there has been HACK attacks at CSO and individuals have not been targeted.

Some people seem to think that attacks such as these are aimed at them (ego centric personalities perhaps), and then they raise hell screaming like girls about how administrators attack them.

#130: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:48 pm
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So to sum up the S3T/Matrix games CC-market strategy and its support history it has looked like this:

1. In the fall of 2007 S3T/Matrix release CCMT, with awful data etc
2. In summer 2008 S3T promise a patch to fix CCMT, together with a whole lot of talk about how S3T (in contrast to Atomic) support its products.
3. Instead of the so needed patch for CCMT, S3T and Matrix decide to make WaR instead. And release it though WaR was anything but finished. Now its close to a year after the release of WaR it is still in its same state.
4. Instead of finish WaR.... and CCMT.... the S3T and Matrix start the work on TLD, and release it to the public in spring 2009, they hasted TLD to the sale stand - halfed baked, (though beautiful painted maps)…
5. Present day. Here we are... as we whine about patches that should fix the rerelease games, S3T and Matrix probably work on “To much water under the bridge”, and will probably release it before any of there previous games is truly finished.

strange priorities...

#131: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:59 pm
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Personally, I wish there would finally be a new CC game that would focus on platoon leader/company commander role like CCMT did, but with realism/playability enchantments that would make it more like in memoir books (i.e. commanding from the front, a possibility of becoming a casualty, better fog of war, better AI that uses realistic tactics, etc.) and a realistic campaign that is focused on being a platoon leader/company commander, not some kind of disembodied semi-divine being that commands whole operations and all the small fights.

#132: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:10 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote (View Post):

4. Instead of finish WaR.... and CCMT.... the S3T and Matrix start the work on TLD, and release it to the public in spring 2009, they hasted TLD to the sale stand - halfed baked, (though beautiful painted maps)… strange priorities...

Your right about the maps in WAR and TLD even, very well painted.. the coding was poor though...

"Strange priorities" well the priorities were to make the contractually obligated rereleases and then pray they got a contract to do a new CC. If the group botched rereleases at loeast trurned off many of the harcore CC users, why woudl those who hold the rights give them the contract?

AND: Making a mod (which basically WAR and TLD were) doesnt qualify anyone to be able to rewrite possible from scratch a new CC engine and really fgive the first major overhaul to it since they went to strat map? 3ST that worked on these rereleases were mostly a solid group of CC modders... some of the best, but in the end MODDERS.

Remember one of 3STs replys to the dissapointment of WAR/TLD was "Its not supposed to be a new CC, just a rerelease!" Well a new CC will have to be.. A NEW CC.. not a mod with lackluster things like this blocked out radius of view which TLD has... come on.. what we thought was a new era of CC with rereleases is just mods on the CCM version of the engine.. UGH

I await what will no doubt be an insulting rerelease of CC2 which will fall flat..

#133: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:00 pm
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fffffffffffff

#134: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:03 pm
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Quote:

So to sum up the S3T/Matrix games CC-market strategy and its support history it has looked like this:

1. In the fall of 2007 S3T/Matrix release CCMT, with awful data etc
2. In summer 2008 S3T promise a patch to fix CCMT, together with a whole lot of talk about how S3T (in contrast to Atomic) support its products.
3. Instead of the so needed patch for CCMT, S3T and Matrix decide to make WaR instead. And release it though WaR was anything but finished. Now its close to a year after the release of WaR it is still in its same state.

That's from the completely truthful, not lying product information page - 30.07.2009, long time after the faults of the product were known to the S3T/Matrix Games:

"* Based on Close Combat Marines, which is used as a USMC training simulation
* Gorgeous hand-drawn 1km square to 1x4km maps
* Comes with 25 Modern scenarios based on real-world and hypothetical conflicts
* Realistic soldier psychological profiles during combat
* Up to 5 v 5 Multiplayer. Now Up to 10 players can be involved in one Battle!
* Accurate and realistic modern equipment modelling
* Mount and Dismount specialized vehicles
* Accurately depicts modern tactical warfare and its challenges"

#135: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:08 pm
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Im sure WAR will get another patch.
It was mentioned at the Matrix forums and is going to be adding the night effects.
Hopefully it fixes some Data and other things.

The maps?
I dont know.Havent seen flamethrower in awhile,maybe he's fixing them.

Sad to see what was posted about CCMT to,hopefully thats not the start of a trend.

I feel the natives getting restless again. Twisted Evil

#136: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:06 pm
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The saddest thing is that those two false points can't be made true without serious engine changes.

#137: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:10 pm
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Anyway, I'm still waiting for a patch that will implement "accurate and realistic modern equipment modelling" and "accurately depicts modern tactical warfare and its challenges" Very Happy

. It feels like a great game concept Smile

#138: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:18 pm
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If you have concerns over any patches or updates they should be posted at Matrix... no one who can do anything what is posted above about will read them here.

#139: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Ivan_Zaitzev,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:33 am
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CC2 is free on-line? Shocked

#140: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:09 am
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If it is it isn't legal.

Destineer are the copyright holders.

#141: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:31 am
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

If you have concerns over any patches or updates they should be posted at Matrix... no one who can do anything what is posted above about will read them here.

So, it's all fault of the Matrix guys?

#142: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:55 am
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They are simply the ones who make the decisions, allocate resources and write the promo material...

if you want data updates you need to lobby the people that allocate resources to do that.... simple.... doesn't mean they will do what you want but it's more likely to get a result than whining on this board where no one from Matrix visits.

#143: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: southern_land,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:55 am
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sigh

#144: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:13 am
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

They are simply the ones who make the decisions, allocate resources and write the promo material...

if you want data updates you need to lobby the people that allocate resources to do that.... simple.... doesn't mean they will do what you want but it's more likely to get a result than whining on this board where no one from Matrix visits.

Qoute Schrecky: They are simply the ones who make the decisions, allocate resources and write the promo material...
if you want data updates you need to lobby the people that allocate resources to do that.... simple.... doesn't mean they will do what you want but it's more likely to get a result than whining on this board where no one from Matrix visits.
//End oute.

Ahha Schrecky, when we have been talking to you, you was the S3T team leader of CCMT and MATRIX STAFF personnel , so we thought we talked to the right man. So all the talk and all the promises you made was nothing more then??

A promise of a patch for CCMT by the CCMT team leader and Matrix personnel Mr Schrecky:
Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:05 am Post subject (CCMT patch):

schrecken wrote (View Post):

S3T are looking at a further patch for CCMT.

A question about where the CCMT patch is answerd by the CCMT team leader and Matrix personnel Mr Schrecky:
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject (CCMT patch):

schrecken wrote (View Post):

Various parts of the patch are in testing at the moment.

Schrecky this comes as grate comfort for the people who bought your (less than perfect Crying or Very sad

) products 2 years ago. Rolling Eyes

Schrecky, answer this mate, how come you make promises you have no control over nor power to materialize?

#145: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:11 am
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Both those statements are correct as of this minute...

So I don't see a problem even when it's written in childish big writing.

#146: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:15 am
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And since then futher work has been done and more testing is on-going..... it will continue.

#147: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:51 am
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in addition this week CoI was updated.

last week a new beta patch went public for tLD (which also incorporates many WaR updates)

further work was carried out on a prospective WaR patch

and other undisclosed projects have been advanced.

I'm afraid though guys we have finite resources, how they are allocated is, to a large degree, out of our control.... the points at which those resources are allocated, they are well used.

Also thanks must go to all the volunteer contributors from within the community... with WaR and tLD we have managed to push CC development out far ahead of any previous release.

freeing all the locked exe data with campaign and stratmap txt files
expanding to 64 maps
Finally fixing supply and reinforce (for both sides) bugs
tracking down all (nearly?) crashing bugs
expanding the number of nations and associated files
implementing proper night effects
increasing the available turns per day
fixing muzzle blast/flash
fixing crushed elements
to name a few

It's taken a power of testing and dedication from a relatively small group of people and a lot of good feedback from the community.

#148: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:20 pm
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Im sorry Schreck, now I understand how S3T / Matrix "support" works, your post here will ofcose make up for the 2 years ppl have had CCMT in its present state, and until the patch that may or may not come actually comes, they can take grate comfort in you caring posts here and hug em..

It seems you and the S3T team play CC as arcade and have made the rereleases to such arcade standards, thus have made the data in arcadish level, and also the so important map code in an arcade level.

This may explain why we just don’t seem to be able to get through to any of you in the team. When we point at things that is not good, we do it from the old Atomic – CC relalism simulator point of view, and when you try fined what we point at, you look from your arcadish point of view and you cant fined anything wrong with your code or data, as its perfect to your arcade standards.

This seem to be the main problem here, there are 2 way of see CC, either as an arcade, or as a realism simulator. You and the team belong to the first grope, and I belong in the second gropes.
Sad, as I wished I belong to the arcade grope thus I would probly have loved yer products, but I would probly have moved on to other more grapixly attractive and effectfull arcades ofcose, but who knows.

I have nothing against ppl play and make arcadish games, but I don’t really like when CC is turned into one.
And nothing of this will ever change if the S3T don’t get a team leader or a quality leader who belong to the second “realism simulator” grope. That will not happen ofcose no matter how much I which for it, Santa don’t listen to ppl over 40.

People in the community do voice this in the complain about the bad data/code, and you and the S3T developer team then call us “haters” and all sorts of other names and insults.
I now see that all the namecalling and insults makes sense to, if one look at it from the two disjoint views we have about CC; as we pointed and pointed and complained, you was unable to fined what we pointed at, due to yer arcadish point of view.
So for you and the team, the only rational way to explain the complains was that the complainers must be “haters”, for in yer eyes yer product was close to perfect.
So all this is a sad misunderstanding and the core problem is just a matter of perception –how to view CC-, -as a arcade or realism simulator-

Maybe you ought to take a step back, and take a look at this survey made in February 2009:

But I guess you gone look at this from the arcadish point of view again, thus make up your own rational little explanation why such a huge part of the CC-population did vote as they did.

Im sorry Schrecky, we have not the same view of what CC is or to be, and nothing can change that, and im sure you make grate arcades mate, but im not in that market.

#149: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:46 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote (View Post):

CC relalism simulator point of view

Damn, all these unrealistic memoirs of platoon leaders/company commanders that don't mention them commanding whole operations on strat layer...

Anyway, I'd like to remind you that it was Atomic Games that started adding arcade and unrealistic mechanics to the series and that it was Atomic Games that put the faulty weapon data into CCM.
So, it's just a continuation of the slide into arcadeness.

#150: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:53 pm
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Anyway, I'm still wondering how they are going to implement accurate modelling of modern sensor systems, various types of ATGMs and countermeasures employed against them, chobham armour, reactive armour, anti-air defences, etc.

Also, how they are going to implement the use of real life modern tactics by the AI so that it would accurately depict modern tactical warfare and its challenges.

#151: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:55 pm
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Or maybe they are going to remove the fictional features from product description and return money to people who bought them thinking they are true Rolling Eyes

#152: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:31 pm
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stalk

CCS was set up as a CC5 centre of focus.

You might as well ask at your local church which god you bel;ieve in The one true god or Allah.

Everything else you've written is funny... rubbish, but funny.

Therion

you are correct CCMT is atomics CCM , all the data comes from them and was made as a public release due to public demand.... the only changes were for licensing reasons eg removal of marines and change to army.

Data revisions are in progress though... been slow due to redirection of resources as stated in above posts.

What has been the continued slide in to arcadeness that you and stalky are talking about?

#153: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:01 pm
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Qoute Schrecky: What has been the continued slide in to arcadeness that you and stalky are talking about?//end quote

This sadly tells me, that things isn’t gona change, explaning what have been pointed to so many times, one more time is just a waste of time, -We point, you look, but you dont see what we point at.

You know Schrecky, sometimes a question say more then a answer, I may even believe this question of yers validates my theory about the different perceptions we have about what CC is, maybe its so simple afterall.

#154: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:04 pm
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More accurately... CCS was setup to for all versions. The most active version has always been CC5 since atleast 2004, probably was a few years earlier also. So naturally the focus seems to be CC5 since theres not much activity online for other versions but the site remains all encompassing.

#155: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:10 pm
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oh, then why have I had to constantly remind you to update the downloads area for other versions.... and they still fall very short of avaiable downloads.

You don't support the other versions to anywhere near the extent you support CC5

#156: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: QM, Location: Australia

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm
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The original question posed by mooxe in this thread was an interesting one due to the difference, capabilities and indeed age in the engines themselves. Very good question in fact.

Some interesting dialogue and thoughts followed and I was considering joining in the conversation as I had some thoughts and quite a few questions myself on the original ABTF game engine and the way the campaign worked.

However, and as usual, this thread among the multitude of others has now been hijacked, turned into a finger pointing and blaming game and the integrity of the original authors question destroyed and the thread lost.

Read backward from this post, you will see where it derails and who did it.

BTW, the fact that my name is in red has no bearing or relevance on my thoughts in this post, or any other, I just wish the thread had stayed on track thats all due to my opening sentence.

Send it all to the trainwreck and hijackers thread. Pity.

#157: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:15 pm
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

oh, then why have I had to constantly remind you to update the downloads area for other versions.... and they still fall very short of avaiable downloads.

You don't support the other versions to anywhere near the extent you support CC5

If by support you mean "adding files" then CC3 probably has the most.

#158: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:30 pm
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I don’t see how the WAR game is arcade looking or playing,
(Other than the mortars which I still hate)
I ran CCIV(4.02) yesterday and if you compare the Vehicles from that to WAR,CCIV is much more arcade looking.
No sense in posting a picture but im sure everyone remembers the Pea-Green American tanks.

I would imagine it's almost impossible for any tester to find all the bugs in any game before releasing it, there’s just no way as I see it for them to duplicate what many other people do when playing. But then again some of them were just waayyy to obvious.

But from all the posts I have seen it looks like they have acknowledged them, I found 2 last week for WAR and im sure once the patch gets released they'll be fixed.

I'm afraid though guys we have finite resources, how they are allocated is, to a large degree, out of our control.... the points at which those resources are allocated, they are well used.

That one does bother me, but hopefully the game will still be supported over a great many of years and if so, that will be ok.
The manner in which the patches get released is however questionable.

And what ever happened to getting the Workbook updated? I didnt imagine it would take this long.

#159: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:49 pm
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

Therion

you are correct CCMT is atomics CCM , all the data comes from them and was made as a public release due to public demand.... the only changes were for licensing reasons eg removal of marines and change to army.

Data revisions are in progress though... been slow due to redirection of resources as stated in above posts.

Yes, that's what CCMT is. Patched up CCM with an army mod installed. The problem is that Matrix games is selling it as something that it isn't.
They explicitly state that equipment modelling in CCMT is accurate - while it can't be accurate without engine changes, because the engine is designed for modelling WWII equipment, not modern one.

Similarly they explicitly state that the game accurately depicts modern tactical warfare and its challenges. It obviously isn't true. One reason is the AI that doesn't use actual modern tactics. Even if it would be noted that it is true only for playing against a human player that is interested primarily in recreation of real tactics in game, it would still be false as there are still other things that prevent it from accurately depicting modern tactical warfare and its challenges like lack of RoEs, civilians, IEDs, AA defences, etc.

Portrayal of modern warfare in CCMT is not accurate. It's vague at best.

If Matrix Games want to say their games are accurate, maybe they should invest some money into their development first instead of just telling lies to their customers?

False advertising is one of my pet pevees since I went to an advertising school Very Happy

schrecken wrote (View Post):

What has been the continued slide in to arcadeness that you and stalky are talking about?

Stalky is talking about data/map coding errors, I'm talking about anti-realism in design. Of course, despite all his talk about "realism simulator" he doesn't recognise the latter as unrealistic, because it's teh fun.

I'm talking mainly about adding stuff that detracts from being a platoon leader/company commander (which is where the real Close Combat happens) - strategic minigame and commanding tens of units belonging to different regiments and C&C superweapon-style fire support and lack of development of the tactical combat itself.

#160: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:54 pm
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we haven't added anything like that.

#161: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:57 pm
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Atomic Games did Very Happy

#162: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:06 pm
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Oh OK

You're talking about something that happened 10 years ago... fine.

I'm not sure anyone that reads these forum was involved in that decision making process and implementation.

i do know that those decisions created a game that a lot of people regard as the best of it's type.

#163: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:26 pm
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Well, I was responding to the At-Stalky's talk about CC becoming arcade and becoming less of a "realism simulator".

#164: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:36 pm
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Therion,

CCM/CCMT was not designed as a WW2 game/simulator but is a WW2 game updated to be used by the as a US marines training tool. There probably are still features/pieces that better portray WW2 than modern combat but it is close enough that the US Marines paid for the game and use it as a training tool.

As for WAR/TLD there probably can be more changes to make the games more realistic but than you can say the exact samething about CC4/5. It was the CC mod makers that spent a lot of time researching and tweaking data to make CC4/5 more realistic in data and graphics. I believe if you compared the stock games of CC4/5 and WAR/TLD that Matrix/S3T delivered a more realistic game. But with the bug fixes and new features they are better products than what Atomic sold to new customers....

As for Shrecken he is letting you know what he knows but he doesn't control where developer resources goes. It is good to hear there will be additional patches for CCMT and WAR, the question is when they will be available.... For WAR it will probably depend on when TLD gets its none beta patch as it sounds like a number of TLD features will be included in the next WAR patch....

#165: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:15 am
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TJ,

Qoute TJ:
As for WAR/TLD there probably can be more changes to make the games more realistic but than you can say the exact samething about CC4/5. It was the CC mod makers that spent a lot of time researching and tweaking data to make CC4/5 more realistic in data and graphics. I believe if you compared the stock games of CC4/5 and WAR/TLD that Matrix/S3T delivered a more realistic game. But with the bug fixes and new features they are better products than what Atomic sold to new customers....
//end Qoute

Well, hm, thats not so, the Atomic map code is close to perfect, and S3T map code is arcadish at best, though I may settle in describe the S3T map code as sloppy or a hast work.

IMO sloppy map code is fine, but only on a arcade level.

--
And about CCMT, the most grose errors in data is found in the "expansion pack" pubished in dec 2007 and in its added british weapons.

For them with bad memmory:

#166: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:09 am
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Quote:

and in its added british weapons.

Yes, they have received the most attention with regard to the patch.... certainly some anomalies in those files.

#167: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:32 am
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Yeh, then we have the other major errors in S3Ts CCMT.

In CCMT not a SINGLE vehicle have AP (armour piercing) ammo, nor the SP ammo, not a single one of em….

Is that "realism" according to S3T?
It is ok you know, but only if you call it arcade!

#168: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:40 am
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send an email off to the people who made the decisions to go wih that type of data in CCM. (the base for CCMT)

i don't know anyone around that was part of that process.

#169: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:49 am
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Yeh
But maybe you would connsider shanging the CCMT product information:

Qout from Matrix games - CCMT product information:
*Accurate and realistic modern equipment modelling
* Accurately depicts modern tactical warfare and its challenges"
End qoute

Good that we agree on this, for it dont fit the product description

I would not have bough the CCMT game if it had been accurately labeled, like "including arcadish game data".

As a consumer I dont care who you blame for the flawed end product, but your responsible for the inaccurate product description are you not? And we have told you about this bad data for 2 years, yet you have neither fixed it, nor changed the product description.
Who’s fault is that in this blame game of yers?

See what i mean?

#170: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:17 am
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Quote:

you would connsider shanging the CCMT product information:

I believe is put out by the Matrixgames promotions department along with the box artwork and website banners.

Quote:

I dont care who you blame

I'm not blaming anyone , you are.... actually your not, your just whining on this forum again.

Quote:

And we have told you about this bad data for 2 years,

And I have taken note and would be happy to set it right for you as and when resources are made available.

i know you know all about resources/time/cost/expenses... if it wasn't an issue I'd have 64 recoded WaR maps now... wouldn't I?

#171: Re: Close Combat 2 Rerelease Thread Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:56 pm
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

stalk

CCS was set up as a CC5 centre of focus.

I believe Mooxe saying it was set up for all versions.

But what I think happened is with so many versions of CC, about 4-5 years ago, it was essentially an unwritten agreement/understanding (And Mooxe can correct me if I am wrong) that due to the massive amount of work keeping ALL VERSIONS ALL DLS up at one site, CCS would specialize more in CC5 and the CSO CC3.. both sites would try to keep up with everything, but in the case of CC3 and CC5 one site could refer the other to help back up.

Chris (Beebs) as my superior in the chain of command told me this was the way I should handle the priorities. Agtain Mooxe woudl have to confirm but my old mind is telling me Chris and Mooxe might have had some sort of correspondance to try to work hand and hand to back each other up this way.

Either way, one single tie keepign EVERYTHING up to date is very very hard, although material for anything but CC5 is slow. The fact is once I get set up to upload missing CC3 files, the CCS site woudl probably represent the most comprehehsive library of DLs the community has ever had.

#172: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:32 pm
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AT_Stalky,

Matrix has included end user data and graphics so why not make some fixes which they could include in the next patch if/when it is released and could be used now by CC fans to get the more realistic game?

As for maps there are/were some coding issues. But TLD coding is much better than WAR and my understanding is that WAR maps are being reviewed/updated.

Andrew,

For the WAR map coding code the updated maps files be posted for the grogs to get instead of waiting on the next WAR patch?

All,

If you have data and or graphics that you believe will make things more realistic post them here so that people can enjoy them now and so that they could possibly be included in the next game patches...

#173: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:05 pm
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schrecken wrote (View Post):

The games weren't marked as faulty in Matrix Games store since that time, so, all excuses are null and void.

#174: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:10 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

As for maps there are/were some coding issues. But TLD coding is much better than WAR and my understanding is that WAR maps are being reviewed/updated.

Andrew,

For the WAR map coding code the updated maps files be posted for the grogs to get instead of waiting on the next WAR patch?
...

TJ

Who coded WAR and TLD maps? COI were done well, not specacular but pretty good. However WAR was a disaster and TLD only marginally better.

Theres no way SL or Jim coded these, they have done too many maps to mess up like this.

VERY suprised something as critical as weak map coding wasnt identified in beta test. But to be honest its often overlooked unless you are a real hardcore grog or have some mapping experience. To have one or two maps go sour is one thing, but essentially the group.. ugh.

One would hope that lessons will be learned in this area.

Also, does this mean there IS a committed patch for WAR coming? Any press release exspecially concerning CC2 remake or more importantly now that contractual oblgations for Rerelease are done, did 3ST even get the okay to make new CC?

There needs to me emphasis on PR, at least TJ has posted something one assumes with the blessing of 3ST and in a positive way!

PS: Followed up you Meuse map questions in other thread. Happy to see your on 3ST in more than advisory role. Looks like at least one more person there doesnt have his head up his ass.

#175: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:37 pm
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I'm still just a volunteer tester.

Don't know if I do or don't have a blessing to post what I did but I do not think I have posted anything that hasn't already been stated or that people can not see for themselves....

Map coding - Many people posted examples and Matrix/S3T staff have acknowledged the map coding issue so nothing new there. It was my opinion that things improved from WAR to TLD (though the patches for TLD did address some consistency issues as the maps came from multiple sources; new, original CC5 and mods). As for who coded the maps, that would not be appropriate for me to publicly post....

WAR - Screenshots were posted on the Matrix forum showing WAR with night affects and it was stated that this would be included in the next patch. Along with some TLD features I believe it was also posted that the maps were being reviewed. Don't know a date but because of the TLD features to be included I would think it would be after the TLD patch is completed.

CC2 Rerelease - I believe S3T staff have posted it is the next game. I'll have to find and post the link.

Next CC - No idea what is next. Nothing has been posted recently....

#176: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:42 pm
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CC2 Remake - Matrix Erik Rutins Post #16 AT_Stalky
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2096193&mpage=1&key=CC2&#2096639

#177: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:13 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Therion,

CCM/CCMT was not designed as a WW2 game/simulator but is a WW2 game updated to be used by the as a US marines training tool. There probably are still features/pieces that better portray WW2 than modern combat but it is close enough that the US Marines paid for the game and use it as a training tool.

Close enough for Marines isn't the same as "accurate". It's enough to perform the exercises from the Marine Workbook, as long as one has a living opponent that is a soldier.
It doesn't mean that it has the features that Matrix Games say it has.

Also, there's a question of competition. There are other titles that model radars, thermal sights, different types of armour (chobham and ERA for example), AA defences, etc.
The product information leads customer that CCMT models the modern equipment as well or even better than products whose creators put effort and money into modern equipment modelling.

Also, Marines wanted CCMAT, so it wasn't really close enough for their needs when it comes to portrayal of modern warfare.

#178: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:24 pm
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*leads to believe

#179: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:36 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

I'm still just a volunteer tester.

Don't know if I do or don't have a blessing to post what I did but I do not think I have posted anything that hasn't already been stated or that people can not see for themselves....

Map coding - Many people posted examples and Matrix/S3T staff have acknowledged the map coding issue so nothing new there. It was my opinion that things improved from WAR to TLD (though the patches for TLD did address some consistency issues as the maps came from multiple sources; new, original CC5 and mods). As for who coded the maps, that would not be appropriate for me to publicly post....

WAR - Screenshots were posted on the Matrix forum showing WAR with night affects and it was stated that this would be included in the next patch. Along with some TLD features I believe it was also posted that the maps were being reviewed. Don't know a date but because of the TLD features to be included I would think it would be after the TLD patch is completed.

CC2 Rerelease - I believe S3T staff have posted it is the next game. I'll have to find and post the link.

Next CC - No idea what is next. Nothing has been posted recently....

Have a link for the WaR night effect screens?

#180: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:59 pm
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WAR Night Affects Video - Post #8 by S3T Andrew Williams
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2125085&mpage=1&key=war%2Cnight&#2125191

#181: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:11 pm
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You right Therion on CCMAT, it definitely added a lot of things that are missing in CCM (and thus CCMT). Would be nice to get some of those features, though I think adding them would be more than a patch....

#182: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:06 pm
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There is no CCMAT apart from a working title

CCM6 includes air controller

#183: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:24 pm
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Speaking of CCMAT - it's probably the only CC game that could be made really playable in single player due to the scripting system - just add an ability to create complex triggers (with multiple conditions and multiple, randomly chosen action sets), scripting IDs for units created as reinforcements, ability to clone scripts, and you can create some nice single player battles.

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

You right Therion on CCMAT, it definitely added a lot of things that are missing in CCM (and thus CCMT). Would be nice to get some of those features, though I think adding them would be more than a patch....

Well, it depends if Matrix Games values their reputation much.

#184: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: CSO_Sbufkle, Location: Canada

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:01 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

CC2 Remake - Matrix Erik Rutins Post #16 AT_Stalky
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2096193&mpage=1&key=CC2&#2096639

Thanks for the reply TJ, up front as always!

I checked out the link. I could go either way on this..

A new or reworked CC2 engine excites me.

Using the WAR/TLD egnine with ABTF is simply a mod with maybe a modest bell or whistle... thats would be a money grab.

#185: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:01 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Andrew,

For the WAR map coding code the updated maps files be posted for the grogs to get instead of waiting on the next WAR patch?

All,

If you have data and or graphics that you believe will make things more realistic post them here so that people can enjoy them now and so that they could possibly be included in the next game patches...

I wish that idea would come true about the maps.
What are the odds of them being fixed properly the 2nd time anyway?
As for the Data....hmmm,well,errrrrr.
Maybe someday a few years from now.I'm looking at it,but still dont quite get it.
WAR is definatly in need of some kind of Vet mod,other than the mortars the AI sucks.

#186: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: Therion,

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:51 pm
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Frankly, the AI in CC series is so retarded (it's not just worse than a good player like a standard tactical game AI - it's retarded as it can't use even some of the basic tactics like using suppressive area fire and can't even do an ordinary attack.) that the series should carry a big warning that it's a multi-player-only game.

Executing an enemy platoon that decides to commit suicide by crawl of death certainly accurately depicts modern tactical warfare and its challenges...

#187: Re: Funniest/Most Amazing thing happened in CC Battle Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:20 am
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hey Dima

Do you cuddle up with my photo at night?

Watching Dima screw around is the funniest thing I've seen.

#188: Re: Omaha tracer fire fixed! Author: mikwarleo,

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:26 am
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Yeah Kinsk - such a great player you outright refuse to post your loss for our ladder OP (which was your own custom OP)...

his reason for not posting: 'no one plays ladder anymore so no need for me to post'

Your a decent player at best, with no decency in defeat.

#189: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:26 pm
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What happened here?

I thought we had a good thing going bashing this,that and the other thing.
There was a good bashing of Buf over at Ryans and now he's gone too.

I geuss that Suck-Up FT is still trying to re-code MY WAR maps and can't make it around anymore.
Good BOY FT good BOY,yeeesss you are, yous a good boy.

#190: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:10 am
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Hmmmm,

Now where is my little Troll?
I thought for sure she would come out from under her bridge to bite on that one.

Maybe I just need to dig a little deeper.

GO JAGUARS !

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#191: Re: Irans 2nd nuclear facility... Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:58 pm
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So since when this lovely forum turned into tin foil hat wearing weirdos?

#192: Re: Irans 2nd nuclear facility... Author: evilwebster,

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:12 pm
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Now they are saying this facility, once it becomes operation will blind the eyes of its enemies. The information comes out just as the G20 is about to meet.

Seriously... what the hell is going on? Nobody wants another war but it seems Iran wants to be very provocative.

When has this world become a place where I am not allowed to express my opinion Tippo Simo? Am I living in 1930's berlin? Mooxe clearly stated his opinion, and I countered it with not only my own opinion but also with articles that quote documented facts.

Opinion is nothing compared to truth. But if you feel the need Tippo Simo you can mindlessly wander around in life believing that people who have anything contrary to your fact-less opinions are "tin foil hat wearing weirdos."

And another thing. People that wear tin foil hats believe it keeps aliens from warping their brain. People that listen to the lies propagated by their governments who are controlled by the world banks warp their own brains.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

#193: Re: Irans 2nd nuclear facility... Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:26 pm
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Hey,

For me it was a little surprise that there is another poster that will doubt all these politics these days.

I thought this board has always been pro war forum etc.

#194: Re: Irans 2nd nuclear facility... Author: JaguarWolf,

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:32 pm
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Iran is a worthless place. We should nuke it already. I'm sick of hearing about them. Turn that country into a wasteland and problem solved.

#195: Re: Irans 2nd nuclear facility... Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:36 pm
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JaguarWolf wrote (View Post):

Iran is a worthless place. We should nuke it already. I'm sick of hearing about them. Turn that country into a wasteland and problem solved.

You sound like a racist.
Maybe the admin should get rid of you , or what?

#196: Re: Download CC5 Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:37 am
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Oh, Canaduh! Neutral

#197: Re: Download CC5 Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:18 am
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I got a virus from both those downloads

#198: Re: Download CC5 Author: mooxe,

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:22 pm
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Let the users here make informed decisions based on truths. If you are going to say theres a virus, be sure there is one and provide proof.

#199: Re: Trainwrecks & The Off Topic Hijackers Graveyard Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:17 pm
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There is nothing wrong with pirating games.... oh there I go again with the untruths

#200: Re: weapons.txt Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia